Is Burleson the future first baseman?

[renostl]

I said a few months ago he should be platooned with Contreras and took a beating. I think that day is coming very soon.

Burleson looks like a natural at 1B. Ex. He made an awesome quick tag on that recent pick off attempt. Also, his ability on short hops is very good.

Timeline of 2 seasons from now says this.

https://www.milb.com/video/blaze-jordan ... rid-691458

[CorneliusWolfe]

What do you mean by “future”? Conteras has a couple more years on his contract, so are you’re asking if Burly is the 1B of 2028 and beyond?

At the conclusion of Contreras' current contract with the Cardinals. Burleson could just be entering his prime years as a player.

At the conclusion of Contreras’s current contract, Burleson will be ARB-3 and starting to cost real money.

So what, he could be worth, production-wise, what Contreras is making. Don't you think?

absolutely not -- contreras was paid to produce these numbers as a catcher. i believe burleson is exactly what he has shown us the last 2 seasons -- he will have some hot streaks and some cold ones -- he won't get faster, his hands won't get softer and his bat will slow eventually. Burleson himself isn't the problem, the problem is this team may be forced to play him as the best alternative.

I see Burleson having 25 HR/85 RBI potential. And lots of doubles. That would be worthy of being the regular 1B when Contreras leaves.

If that’s what you see then you’re f’ing blind.

[Shady]

I said a few months ago he should be platooned with Contreras and took a beating. I think that day is coming very soon.

Burleson looks like a natural at 1B. Ex. He made an awesome quick tag on that recent pick off attempt. Also, his ability on short hops is very good.

Timeline of 2 seasons from now says this.

https://www.milb.com/video/blaze-jordan ... rid-691458

If Jordan is better than Burleson in two seasons from now. Hallelujah !

[BrockFloodMaris]

What do you mean by “future”? Conteras has a couple more years on his contract, so are you’re asking if Burly is the 1B of 2028 and beyond?

At the conclusion of Contreras' current contract with the Cardinals. Burleson could just be entering his prime years as a player.

At the conclusion of Contreras’s current contract, Burleson will be ARB-3 and starting to cost real money.

So what, he could be worth, production-wise, what Contreras is making. Don't you think?

absolutely not -- contreras was paid to produce these numbers as a catcher. i believe burleson is exactly what he has shown us the last 2 seasons -- he will have some hot streaks and some cold ones -- he won't get faster, his hands won't get softer and his bat will slow eventually. Burleson himself isn't the problem, the problem is this team may be forced to play him as the best alternative.

I see Burleson having 25 HR/85 RBI potential. And lots of doubles. That would be worthy of being the regular 1B when Contreras leaves.

If that’s what you see then you’re f’ing blind.

I could see the Cards asking WC to wave his NTC to open up 1B for a competition. I can also see AB being part of that competition. I can also see the Cards promoting or moving someone next year who outhits (OPS) AB and beats him out. Someone who can hit lefties and HITS LOTS OF BOMBS. Someone who is the player some around here wish and hope Burly was.

[Dazepster]

Not enough XBH for a 1B. Unless get a lot of that elsewhere and he is simply an OBP and Runs contributor. The Running part is a bit problematic.

In the Old Days and not really that long ago. He would be a situational pinch hitter off the bench. Occasional start at 1B. OF only by absolute necessity.

I like him. A lot. He can hit a bit. But lacks Power for a dude that big. Surprising with his contact skills he doesn't have 30 plus homers.

A Softball player that can hit a Baseball.

He one of the weakest bats on your team, you got a good offense. If he is one of the best bats on your team, your offense sucks.

You move him. Possibly this very off-season.

[Shady]

What do you mean by “future”? Conteras has a couple more years on his contract, so are you’re asking if Burly is the 1B of 2028 and beyond?

At the conclusion of Contreras' current contract with the Cardinals. Burleson could just be entering his prime years as a player.

At the conclusion of Contreras’s current contract, Burleson will be ARB-3 and starting to cost real money.

So what, he could be worth, production-wise, what Contreras is making. Don't you think?

absolutely not -- contreras was paid to produce these numbers as a catcher. i believe burleson is exactly what he has shown us the last 2 seasons -- he will have some hot streaks and some cold ones -- he won't get faster, his hands won't get softer and his bat will slow eventually. Burleson himself isn't the problem, the problem is this team may be forced to play him as the best alternative.

I see Burleson having 25 HR/85 RBI potential. And lots of doubles. That would be worthy of being the regular 1B when Contreras leaves.

If that’s what you see then you’re f’ing blind.

I could see the Cards asking WC to wave his NTC to open up 1B for a competition. I can also see AB being part of that competition. I can also see the Cards promoting or moving someone next year who outhits (OPS) AB and beats him out. Someone who can hit lefties and HITS LOTS OF BOMBS. Someone who is the player some around here wish and hope Burly was.

Wishing and having is the issue.

[Shady]

Not enough XBH for a 1B. Unless get a lot of that elsewhere and he is simply an OBP and Runs contributor. The Running part is a bit problematic.

In the Old Days and not really that long ago. He would be a situational pinch hitter off the bench. Occasional start at 1B. OF only by absolute necessity.

I like him. A lot. He can hit a bit. But lacks Power for a dude that big. Surprising with his contact skills he doesn't have 30 plus homers.

A Softball player that can hit a Baseball.

He one of the weakest bats on your team, you got a good offense. If he is one of the best bats on your team, your offense sucks.

You move him. Possibly this very off-season.

"But lacks Power for a dude that big. Surprising with his contact skills he doesn't have 30 plus homers". I agree, We see flashes of that power potential, like today. Maybe it will improve.

[CorneliusWolfe]

What do you mean by “future”? Conteras has a couple more years on his contract, so are you’re asking if Burly is the 1B of 2028 and beyond?

At the conclusion of Contreras' current contract with the Cardinals. Burleson could just be entering his prime years as a player.

At the conclusion of Contreras’s current contract, Burleson will be ARB-3 and starting to cost real money.

So what, he could be worth, production-wise, what Contreras is making. Don't you think?

absolutely not -- contreras was paid to produce these numbers as a catcher. i believe burleson is exactly what he has shown us the last 2 seasons -- he will have some hot streaks and some cold ones -- he won't get faster, his hands won't get softer and his bat will slow eventually. Burleson himself isn't the problem, the problem is this team may be forced to play him as the best alternative.

I see Burleson having 25 HR/85 RBI potential. And lots of doubles. That would be worthy of being the regular 1B when Contreras leaves.

If that’s what you see then you’re f’ing blind.

I could see the Cards asking WC to wave his NTC to open up 1B for a competition. I can also see AB being part of that competition. I can also see the Cards promoting or moving someone next year who outhits (OPS) AB and beats him out. Someone who can hit lefties and HITS LOTS OF BOMBS. Someone who is the player some around here wish and hope Burly was.

AB will never put up the numbers Shady cites unless he goes to Milwaukee or Cincinnati. I hope Bloom finds a sucker to trade a decent reliever for him instead of having him compete for an even bigger role.

He was allowed to consistently develop and suck and work his up to mediocre in ways others weren’t. He’s been the only young player other than Masyn Winn who was actually given any real “runway” without fear of demotion.

Worst everyday Cardinal player since Aaron Miles.

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1st XBH in nearly 3 weeks.

It was an awesome hit, and I'm extremely happy for him.

But a chest pounding thread wasn't needed to celebrate his 1st XBH in nearly 3 weeks.

And that one xbh was against the Rockies.

[renostl]

What do you mean by “future”? Conteras has a couple more years on his contract, so are you’re asking if Burly is the 1B of 2028 and beyond?

At the conclusion of Contreras' current contract with the Cardinals. Burleson could just be entering his prime years as a player.

At the conclusion of Contreras’s current contract, Burleson will be ARB-3 and starting to cost real money.

So what, he could be worth, production-wise, what Contreras is making. Don't you think?

absolutely not -- contreras was paid to produce these numbers as a catcher. i believe burleson is exactly what he has shown us the last 2 seasons -- he will have some hot streaks and some cold ones -- he won't get faster, his hands won't get softer and his bat will slow eventually. Burleson himself isn't the problem, the problem is this team may be forced to play him as the best alternative.

I see Burleson having 25 HR/85 RBI potential. And lots of doubles. That would be worthy of being the regular 1B when Contreras leaves.

If that’s what you see then you’re f’ing blind.

I could see the Cards asking WC to wave his NTC to open up 1B for a competition. I can also see AB being part of that competition. I can also see the Cards promoting or moving someone next year who outhits (OPS) AB and beats him out. Someone who can hit lefties and HITS LOTS OF BOMBS. Someone who is the player some around here wish and hope Burly was.

Your visions could save more payroll than moving NA since no money would need to be added.
It has a nearly equal benefit of opening up a corner infield/DH spot. The Cards might even receive
something of value in return. Blaze Jordan was a precise target.
NA however has the benefit of being easier to upgrade his bat.

It should be an interesting off season.

[Cardinals1964]

He's getting pretty slick, defensively, there.

By time the Cardinals are relevant, Burleson will be too old or too expensive.

[renostl]

He's getting pretty slick, defensively, there.

By time the Cardinals are relevant, Burleson will be too old or too expensive.

Burleson doesn't seem like a player that will be expensive any time soon
and at 26 isn't in the old bracket.

The slate is mostly clean, at least allow 1 off season under new management. This .500
season was completely predictable.

[renostl]

What do you mean by “future”? Conteras has a couple more years on his contract, so are you’re asking if Burly is the 1B of 2028 and beyond?

At the conclusion of Contreras' current contract with the Cardinals. Burleson could just be entering his prime years as a player.

At the conclusion of Contreras’s current contract, Burleson will be ARB-3 and starting to cost real money.

So what, he could be worth, production-wise, what Contreras is making. Don't you think?

absolutely not -- contreras was paid to produce these numbers as a catcher. i believe burleson is exactly what he has shown us the last 2 seasons -- he will have some hot streaks and some cold ones -- he won't get faster, his hands won't get softer and his bat will slow eventually. Burleson himself isn't the problem, the problem is this team may be forced to play him as the best alternative.

I see Burleson having 25 HR/85 RBI potential. And lots of doubles. That would be worthy of being the regular 1B when Contreras leaves.

If that’s what you see then you’re f’ing blind.

I could see the Cards asking WC to wave his NTC to open up 1B for a competition. I can also see AB being part of that competition. I can also see the Cards promoting or moving someone next year who outhits (OPS) AB and beats him out. Someone who can hit lefties and HITS LOTS OF BOMBS. Someone who is the player some around here wish and hope Burly was.

AB will never put up the numbers Shady cites unless he goes to Milwaukee or Cincinnati. I hope Bloom finds a sucker to trade a decent reliever for him instead of having him compete for an even bigger role.

He was allowed to consistently develop and suck and work his up to mediocre in ways others weren’t. He’s been the only young player other than Masyn Winn who was actually given any real “runway” without fear of demotion.

Worst everyday Cardinal player since Aaron Miles.

Depends where you see the guys top I guess.

A .750 OPS is in range as is 25 HR's. His .784 places him #7 in RF in MLB of qualified players.
Currently 17% above average hitters. That's above everyone but Herrera and Contreras.
I don't think you need to go back to 2011.

[ecleme22]

2025:
Against RHP: .810 ops
Against LHP: .699 ops

His numbers? Pretty good.

Are these numbers making Bloom race to find a trade partner to get rid of Conteras? No.

[Adam2]

I hope not, we don't need a slap hitter at first base. But i'm not sure who else we will have unless we bring someone in from outside the org after Contreras

[reson8]

Burly is mostly a singles hitter trapped in a power hitters body. Maybe he develops more power, maybe not. Right now he isn't part of the problem. Nado, Noot, Walker and VS2 are far worse offensively. Walker has looked better lately hopefully that trend continues but upgrades are badly needed at other positions before we worry about Burly.