Accomplished College Prospect vs High School Prospect

[Basil Shabazz]

I keep seeing posters compareJJW to Jordan Walker, Dylan Carlson, and Nolan Gorman.

JJW was regarded as one of the top players and division one baseball and possibly could’ve been the top pic in the draft if not for a hamstring injury. These type of players do not always need the “seasoning“ that high school phenoms may need. so, every time somebody suggest getting JJW up to the show, please don’t be so quick to say he needs more time in the minors because of the failures of others that were rushed. They may not be the same.

when a player is ready, they’re ready. All players are not the same and in fact, most players are different. Maybe, JJW is different.

Now, I am not advocating, bringing him up to start his clock early. But once the clock is not an issue, I am in favor of bring him up. I believe he makes us instantly better. We have not had an offensive prospect like him in a long time.

[Jatalk]

I keep seeing posters compareJJW to Jordan Walker, Dylan Carlson, and Nolan Gorman.

JJW was regarded as one of the top players and division one baseball and possibly could’ve been the top pic in the draft if not for a hamstring injury. These type of players do not always need the “seasoning“ that high school phenoms may need. so, every time somebody suggest getting JJW up to the show, please don’t be so quick to say he needs more time in the minors because of the failures of others that were rushed. They may not be the same.

when a player is ready, they’re ready. All players are not the same and in fact, most players are different. Maybe, JJW is different.

Now, I am not advocating, bringing him up to start his clock early. But once the clock is not an issue, I am in favor of bring him up. I believe he makes us instantly better. We have not had an offensive prospect like him in a long time.

I would much rather use my high draft pick on a college athlete especially if from strong conference like SEC or ACC for example. More maturity. Played in pressure situations and in most cases good coaching and development.

[JDW]

Good points, and I wouldn't have been surprised if JJW had joined the team right out of ST and been our best player this year.
That said, at this point you now wait for that magical date that doesn't burn up a year of control.

[moose-and-squirrel]

I keep seeing posters compareJJW to Jordan Walker, Dylan Carlson, and Nolan Gorman.

JJW was regarded as one of the top players and division one baseball and possibly could’ve been the top pic in the draft if not for a hamstring injury. These type of players do not always need the “seasoning“ that high school phenoms may need. so, every time somebody suggest getting JJW up to the show, please don’t be so quick to say he needs more time in the minors because of the failures of others that were rushed. They may not be the same.

when a player is ready, they’re ready. All players are not the same and in fact, most players are different. Maybe, JJW is different.

Now, I am not advocating, bringing him up to start his clock early. But once the clock is not an issue, I am in favor of bring him up. I believe he makes us instantly better. We have not had an offensive prospect like him in a long time.

I would much rather use my high draft pick on a college athlete especially if from strong conference like SEC or ACC for example. More maturity. Played in pressure situations and in most cases good coaching and development.

the flip side is the HS athlete has spent those 4 yrs (in all likelyhood) playing against pros and being coached by what SHOULD be superior coaches

[Jatalk]

I keep seeing posters compareJJW to Jordan Walker, Dylan Carlson, and Nolan Gorman.

JJW was regarded as one of the top players and division one baseball and possibly could’ve been the top pic in the draft if not for a hamstring injury. These type of players do not always need the “seasoning“ that high school phenoms may need. so, every time somebody suggest getting JJW up to the show, please don’t be so quick to say he needs more time in the minors because of the failures of others that were rushed. They may not be the same.

when a player is ready, they’re ready. All players are not the same and in fact, most players are different. Maybe, JJW is different.

Now, I am not advocating, bringing him up to start his clock early. But once the clock is not an issue, I am in favor of bring him up. I believe he makes us instantly better. We have not had an offensive prospect like him in a long time.

I would much rather use my high draft pick on a college athlete especially if from strong conference like SEC or ACC for example. More maturity. Played in pressure situations and in most cases good coaching and development.

the flip side is the HS athlete has spent those 4 yrs (in all likelyhood) playing against pros and being coached by what SHOULD be superior coaches

True but my point is the college guy from the date you sign him can help the major league roster more quickly and less of a gamble considering a high draft pick in my opinion

[Bushiro]

I keep seeing posters compareJJW to Jordan Walker, Dylan Carlson, and Nolan Gorman.

JJW was regarded as one of the top players and division one baseball and possibly could’ve been the top pic in the draft if not for a hamstring injury. These type of players do not always need the “seasoning“ that high school phenoms may need. so, every time somebody suggest getting JJW up to the show, please don’t be so quick to say he needs more time in the minors because of the failures of others that were rushed. They may not be the same.

when a player is ready, they’re ready. All players are not the same and in fact, most players are different. Maybe, JJW is different.

Now, I am not advocating, bringing him up to start his clock early. But once the clock is not an issue, I am in favor of bring him up. I believe he makes us instantly better. We have not had an offensive prospect like him in a long time.

His bat to ball skills are well beyond those 3...

[Cranny]

Statistically, a greater percentage of college draftees make the majors than high school draftees. And make it faster.

[bretto12]

Sure, and when the guy jumps from AA to AAA to the Major Leagues and then hits .190, all of the so called "geniuses on here call him a bum.

[jcgmoi]

Don't a lot of pitchers drafted out of HS end up with TJ surgery or shoulder impingement or some other debilitating injury?

Not all of them make it back. Favoring college arms in the draft takes those guys off the board and teams end up with guys who either have recovered or who haven't been hurt.

[ramfandan]

Highly talented HS players usually sign rather than going to college ball. Guys like Bryce Harper, Mike trout, Derek Jeter, etc. were premier talents .
They don’t need 4 college years of ball to be standouts in majors.

[Cranny]

Highly talented HS players usually sign rather than going to college ball. Guys like Bryce Harper, Mike trout, Derek Jeter, etc. were premier talents .
They don’t need 4 college years of ball to be standouts in majors.

Just to be more well rounded as individuals, perhaps.

[Basil Shabazz]

Highly talented HS players usually sign rather than going to college ball. Guys like Bryce Harper, Mike trout, Derek Jeter, etc. were premier talents .
They don’t need 4 college years of ball to be standouts in majors.

There are exceptions. You conveniently listed 3 HOFers as exceptions.

Although in an attempt to dissent, you missed the premise of the thread.

[ramfandan]

Highly talented HS players usually sign rather than going to college ball. Guys like Bryce Harper, Mike trout, Derek Jeter, etc. were premier talents .
They don’t need 4 college years of ball to be standouts in majors.

Just to be more well rounded as individuals, perhaps.

Glad you mentioned the college experience . In the case of Harper, his signing included a bonus of 8 semesters of college education.
By signing , he received $9.9M which included a 5or 6 M bonus.
In his case , leaving that on the table could be quite risky. If he goes to college and gets a serious injury(knee , etc) he may not get drafted highly after college thus costing him millions.
Too risky. Hopefully he may take advantage of college offer later,if he chooses.

[ramfandan]

Statistically, a greater percentage of college draftees make the majors than high school draftees. And make it faster.

The latter point ‘and make it faster’. (College guys) is a bit deceiving.
Ex. A college grad (age 22) who spends 2 years in minors will usually be 24 years old .
The HS kid (18) who takes 4 years in minors will be 22 years old when he makes it to MLB.

So yes college guy makes it couple years faster but is also will be older. Possibly two good years off his career.