question about Doyle plan and what the rotation looks like next season

[sikeston bulldog2]

The plan in my rebuild says that this off season we spend, and get a bat or TOR. The rebuild depends on it. If we do not aquire one of the other, we are just marking time.

[rockondlouie]

If he does well at Memphis, then I think we see Doyle earlier than later sometime in 2026.

[BrockFloodMaris]

I'm not sure BDW will ever again fork over the cash to sign a long term free agent TOR starter. He is just too risk averse for that.

Well, depending on who those players are, I don't blame him. Most big free agent deals, especially for starters, aren't going to work out great. And they're not a team that can just eat contracts like that.

But he has shown the willingness to trade for an extend players like that, or homegrown players, and that may be the smart move anyway. As long as they don't do like they did with Carpenter or Mikolas with the stupid extensions near the end of their careers.

Yep, I think the sentimental contracts are going away with Mo’s departure. There just isn’t room in the payroll for any more farewell tours.

[Youboughtit]

It seems like Doyle won't pitch after college ball this season. Is there a plan to get him into fall ball or are we holding to starting him out next season with his arm already pitched a good amount during the college season? It looks like the rotation for next season is pretty much in place with Leahy probably getting a look there.
Gray
Libertore
Palante
Leahy
McGreevy
I assume if Doyle progresses he could be moved quickly and be in the rotation at some point if he looks ready, but I don't think we will bring anyone in with the looming labor deal going on. Matthews has more to prove. Henderson will be in aaa. Roby and Hjerpe will be rehabbing. I would assume Tink Hence at some point will shift to the bullpen, but likely gets another run as a starter- just cannot stay healthy.

I have heard Cardinals say they will use the Wetherholt plan with Doyle next year. Maybe very late in season. The Cardinals will need to add 2SP and on needs to be a TOR type

I don’t think they’ll be signing anyone for longer than a one year deal.

Then they won’t be competitive. I have no faith in Pallante, McGreevy is young. Gray and Libertore OK but no depth in AAA ready. Always add to the top of a rotation and let the bottom sort itself out. Never add to the bottom

[Cardinals4Life]

2026: Gray, Liberatore, Pallante, McGreevy, Mathews

Cards sign a veteran starter for injury depth.

Cards add one or two AAAA starters in Memphis to go with (Henderson, Hanson, Mautz, Rincon, Racjic, Davis, Winquest)

Wonder if Curtis Taylor will be given any type of serious look? Thompson and Rom are now in this category, I guess.

Maybe they DFA Mikolas and give Taylor some 2025 starts to decide if he deserves to come back in 2026 or we move on to other AAAA starters.
Maybe they DFA Mikolas and go with a 10-man bullpen in September. Give Mosqueda a look and Roycroft a last chance look... or a waiver claim guy.

Surely they won't go with Aaron Wilkerson at age 37!

Doyle in 2027 or Sept 2026.

Yup.

At least they acquire one Lynn/Gibson type to eat innings. At best Bloom is able to convert one or two of their redundant bats into a controllable #2/3.

But people who think they're gonna acquire an ace, or two TOR pitchers, are simply living in a fantasy.

I'm not sure BDW will ever again fork over the cash to sign a long term free agent TOR starter. He is just too risk averse for that.

Then we will never win a WS again.

[FrankTheTank]

Free agent MLB starting pitchers for 2026, and boys & girls, not a pretty list.

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/_/position/sp

Anthony DeSclafani seems like someone this front office would go after; older, cheap, would sign a 1-year deal.
Cal Quantrill is another one for pretty much the same reasons.
Would old friend Jordan Montgomery come back on a 1-year deal to try to gain some value back?
I would take a shot at Michael King, always liked him but I think you would need to offer a 2-3 year deal.
Andrew Heaney is another attainable 1-year deal candidate.

[Cardinals4Life]

It seems like Doyle won't pitch after college ball this season. Is there a plan to get him into fall ball or are we holding to starting him out next season with his arm already pitched a good amount during the college season? It looks like the rotation for next season is pretty much in place with Leahy probably getting a look there.
Gray
Libertore
Palante
Leahy
McGreevy
I assume if Doyle progresses he could be moved quickly and be in the rotation at some point if he looks ready, but I don't think we will bring anyone in with the looming labor deal going on. Matthews has more to prove. Henderson will be in aaa. Roby and Hjerpe will be rehabbing. I would assume Tink Hence at some point will shift to the bullpen, but likely gets another run as a starter- just cannot stay healthy.

I have heard Cardinals say they will use the Wetherholt plan with Doyle next year. Maybe very late in season. The Cardinals will need to add 2SP and on needs to be a TOR type

I don’t think they’ll be signing anyone for longer than a one year deal.

Then they won’t be competitive. I have no faith in Pallante, McGreevy is young. Gray and Libertore OK but no depth in AAA ready. Always add to the top of a rotation and let the bottom sort itself out. Never add to the bottom

Amen!!!!

[BrockFloodMaris]

2026: Gray, Liberatore, Pallante, McGreevy, Mathews

Cards sign a veteran starter for injury depth.

Cards add one or two AAAA starters in Memphis to go with (Henderson, Hanson, Mautz, Rincon, Racjic, Davis, Winquest)

Wonder if Curtis Taylor will be given any type of serious look? Thompson and Rom are now in this category, I guess.

Maybe they DFA Mikolas and give Taylor some 2025 starts to decide if he deserves to come back in 2026 or we move on to other AAAA starters.
Maybe they DFA Mikolas and go with a 10-man bullpen in September. Give Mosqueda a look and Roycroft a last chance look... or a waiver claim guy.

Surely they won't go with Aaron Wilkerson at age 37!

Doyle in 2027 or Sept 2026.

Yup.

At least they acquire one Lynn/Gibson type to eat innings. At best Bloom is able to convert one or two of their redundant bats into a controllable #2/3.

But people who think they're gonna acquire an ace, or two TOR pitchers, are simply living in a fantasy.

I'm not sure BDW will ever again fork over the cash to sign a long term free agent TOR starter. He is just too risk averse for that.

Then we will never win a WS again.

That is some powerful hyperbole. Never is quite a superlative. I'm not nearly that pessimistic. I think we can draft and develop a couple TOR starters. Its just going to take a lot of smart people, some good luck and good health. Look at the 2025 Brewers. They are almost there with a $110M payroll.

[Boooyah]

It seems like Doyle won't pitch after college ball this season. Is there a plan to get him into fall ball or are we holding to starting him out next season with his arm already pitched a good amount during the college season? It looks like the rotation for next season is pretty much in place with Leahy probably getting a look there.
Gray
Libertore
Palante
Leahy
McGreevy
I assume if Doyle progresses he could be moved quickly and be in the rotation at some point if he looks ready, but I don't think we will bring anyone in with the looming labor deal going on. Matthews has more to prove. Henderson will be in aaa. Roby and Hjerpe will be rehabbing. I would assume Tink Hence at some point will shift to the bullpen, but likely gets another run as a starter- just cannot stay healthy.

Man, that is one pathetic rotation. They need someone to step up.

[Cardinals4Life]

2026: Gray, Liberatore, Pallante, McGreevy, Mathews

Cards sign a veteran starter for injury depth.

Cards add one or two AAAA starters in Memphis to go with (Henderson, Hanson, Mautz, Rincon, Racjic, Davis, Winquest)

Wonder if Curtis Taylor will be given any type of serious look? Thompson and Rom are now in this category, I guess.

Maybe they DFA Mikolas and give Taylor some 2025 starts to decide if he deserves to come back in 2026 or we move on to other AAAA starters.
Maybe they DFA Mikolas and go with a 10-man bullpen in September. Give Mosqueda a look and Roycroft a last chance look... or a waiver claim guy.

Surely they won't go with Aaron Wilkerson at age 37!

Doyle in 2027 or Sept 2026.

Yup.

At least they acquire one Lynn/Gibson type to eat innings. At best Bloom is able to convert one or two of their redundant bats into a controllable #2/3.

But people who think they're gonna acquire an ace, or two TOR pitchers, are simply living in a fantasy.

I'm not sure BDW will ever again fork over the cash to sign a long term free agent TOR starter. He is just too risk averse for that.

Then we will never win a WS again.

That is some powerful hyperbole. Never is quite a superlative. I'm not nearly that pessimistic. I think we can draft and develop a couple TOR starters. Its just going to take a lot of smart people, some good luck and good health. Look at the 2025 Brewers. They are almost there with a $110M payroll.

Let me know when they win the WS

[BrockFloodMaris]

2026: Gray, Liberatore, Pallante, McGreevy, Mathews

Cards sign a veteran starter for injury depth.

Cards add one or two AAAA starters in Memphis to go with (Henderson, Hanson, Mautz, Rincon, Racjic, Davis, Winquest)

Wonder if Curtis Taylor will be given any type of serious look? Thompson and Rom are now in this category, I guess.

Maybe they DFA Mikolas and give Taylor some 2025 starts to decide if he deserves to come back in 2026 or we move on to other AAAA starters.
Maybe they DFA Mikolas and go with a 10-man bullpen in September. Give Mosqueda a look and Roycroft a last chance look... or a waiver claim guy.

Surely they won't go with Aaron Wilkerson at age 37!

Doyle in 2027 or Sept 2026.

Yup.

At least they acquire one Lynn/Gibson type to eat innings. At best Bloom is able to convert one or two of their redundant bats into a controllable #2/3.

But people who think they're gonna acquire an ace, or two TOR pitchers, are simply living in a fantasy.

I'm not sure BDW will ever again fork over the cash to sign a long term free agent TOR starter. He is just too risk averse for that.

Then we will never win a WS again.

That is some powerful hyperbole. Never is quite a superlative. I'm not nearly that pessimistic. I think we can draft and develop a couple TOR starters. Its just going to take a lot of smart people, some good luck and good health. Look at the 2025 Brewers. They are almost there with a $110M payroll.

Let me know when they win the WS

Hopefully, we will both be here. I'm thinking in the year 2030.

[Youboughtit]

2026: Gray, Liberatore, Pallante, McGreevy, Mathews

Cards sign a veteran starter for injury depth.

Cards add one or two AAAA starters in Memphis to go with (Henderson, Hanson, Mautz, Rincon, Racjic, Davis, Winquest)

Wonder if Curtis Taylor will be given any type of serious look? Thompson and Rom are now in this category, I guess.

Maybe they DFA Mikolas and give Taylor some 2025 starts to decide if he deserves to come back in 2026 or we move on to other AAAA starters.
Maybe they DFA Mikolas and go with a 10-man bullpen in September. Give Mosqueda a look and Roycroft a last chance look... or a waiver claim guy.

Surely they won't go with Aaron Wilkerson at age 37!

Doyle in 2027 or Sept 2026.

Yup.

At least they acquire one Lynn/Gibson type to eat innings. At best Bloom is able to convert one or two of their redundant bats into a controllable #2/3.

But people who think they're gonna acquire an ace, or two TOR pitchers, are simply living in a fantasy.

I'm not sure BDW will ever again fork over the cash to sign a long term free agent TOR starter. He is just too risk averse for that.

Then we will never win a WS again.

That is some powerful hyperbole. Never is quite a superlative. I'm not nearly that pessimistic. I think we can draft and develop a couple TOR starters. Its just going to take a lot of smart people, some good luck and good health. Look at the 2025 Brewers. They are almost there with a $110M payroll.

Let me know when they win the WS

Hopefully, we will both be here. I'm thinking in the year 2030.

Took 6 years for Boston to see the rewards from Bloom. Going to be awhile

[Cardinals4Life]

2026: Gray, Liberatore, Pallante, McGreevy, Mathews

Cards sign a veteran starter for injury depth.

Cards add one or two AAAA starters in Memphis to go with (Henderson, Hanson, Mautz, Rincon, Racjic, Davis, Winquest)

Wonder if Curtis Taylor will be given any type of serious look? Thompson and Rom are now in this category, I guess.

Maybe they DFA Mikolas and give Taylor some 2025 starts to decide if he deserves to come back in 2026 or we move on to other AAAA starters.
Maybe they DFA Mikolas and go with a 10-man bullpen in September. Give Mosqueda a look and Roycroft a last chance look... or a waiver claim guy.

Surely they won't go with Aaron Wilkerson at age 37!

Doyle in 2027 or Sept 2026.

Yup.

At least they acquire one Lynn/Gibson type to eat innings. At best Bloom is able to convert one or two of their redundant bats into a controllable #2/3.

But people who think they're gonna acquire an ace, or two TOR pitchers, are simply living in a fantasy.

I'm not sure BDW will ever again fork over the cash to sign a long term free agent TOR starter. He is just too risk averse for that.

Then we will never win a WS again.

That is some powerful hyperbole. Never is quite a superlative. I'm not nearly that pessimistic. I think we can draft and develop a couple TOR starters. Its just going to take a lot of smart people, some good luck and good health. Look at the 2025 Brewers. They are almost there with a $110M payroll.

Let me know when they win the WS

Hopefully, we will both be here. I'm thinking in the year 2030.

I meant the Brew Crew.

[renostl]

2026: Gray, Liberatore, Pallante, McGreevy, Mathews

Cards sign a veteran starter for injury depth.

Cards add one or two AAAA starters in Memphis to go with (Henderson, Hanson, Mautz, Rincon, Racjic, Davis, Winquest)

Wonder if Curtis Taylor will be given any type of serious look? Thompson and Rom are now in this category, I guess.

Maybe they DFA Mikolas and give Taylor some 2025 starts to decide if he deserves to come back in 2026 or we move on to other AAAA starters.
Maybe they DFA Mikolas and go with a 10-man bullpen in September. Give Mosqueda a look and Roycroft a last chance look... or a waiver claim guy.

Surely they won't go with Aaron Wilkerson at age 37!

Doyle in 2027 or Sept 2026.

Yup.

At least they acquire one Lynn/Gibson type to eat innings. At best Bloom is able to convert one or two of their redundant bats into a controllable #2/3.

But people who think they're gonna acquire an ace, or two TOR pitchers, are simply living in a fantasy.

The rotation lacks so much depth.
That makes it possible for a Doyle to arrive sooner than expected or
wanted by most of us. Does the FO see this as something to hedge against?
IMO it's only Leahy and Mathews as legitimate outside the current group that
are close to MLB.

Agree that they will not sign any SP for more than a Gray, but a similar contract is
possible. Shorter term preference of the Cardinals.

A trade is more possible, Eury Perez, Alcantara, etc happen every season.

[FrankTheTank]

A trade is more possible, Eury Perez, Alcantara, etc happen every season.

Agreed, I think a trade is more likely for a veteran who can give you some innings, something we sorely lack now, and will even more so next year. I am not saying it will be a 1 or 2, it won't be, but we need a competent innings eater. I mean, the problem is doesn't everybody?

[HorseTrader]

2026: Gray, Liberatore, Pallante, McGreevy, Mathews

Cards sign a veteran starter for injury depth.

Cards add one or two AAAA starters in Memphis to go with (Henderson, Hanson, Mautz, Rincon, Racjic, Davis, Winquest)

Wonder if Curtis Taylor will be given any type of serious look? Thompson and Rom are now in this category, I guess.

Maybe they DFA Mikolas and give Taylor some 2025 starts to decide if he deserves to come back in 2026 or we move on to other AAAA starters.
Maybe they DFA Mikolas and go with a 10-man bullpen in September. Give Mosqueda a look and Roycroft a last chance look... or a waiver claim guy.

Surely they won't go with Aaron Wilkerson at age 37!

Doyle in 2027 or Sept 2026.

Charlie Morton