question about Doyle plan and what the rotation looks like next season

[clemonsonroots]

It seems like Doyle won't pitch after college ball this season. Is there a plan to get him into fall ball or are we holding to starting him out next season with his arm already pitched a good amount during the college season? It looks like the rotation for next season is pretty much in place with Leahy probably getting a look there.
Gray
Libertore
Palante
Leahy
McGreevy
I assume if Doyle progresses he could be moved quickly and be in the rotation at some point if he looks ready, but I don't think we will bring anyone in with the looming labor deal going on. Matthews has more to prove. Henderson will be in aaa. Roby and Hjerpe will be rehabbing. I would assume Tink Hence at some point will shift to the bullpen, but likely gets another run as a starter- just cannot stay healthy.

[General]

They will have to bring in 1 or 2 starters on low priced one year deals to fill innings since they won’t get much from the minors.

[Ejgonz22]

I’d be surprised if Doyle debuts in ‘26. I’d think ‘27 is more realistic.

[Youboughtit]

It seems like Doyle won't pitch after college ball this season. Is there a plan to get him into fall ball or are we holding to starting him out next season with his arm already pitched a good amount during the college season? It looks like the rotation for next season is pretty much in place with Leahy probably getting a look there.
Gray
Libertore
Palante
Leahy
McGreevy
I assume if Doyle progresses he could be moved quickly and be in the rotation at some point if he looks ready, but I don't think we will bring anyone in with the looming labor deal going on. Matthews has more to prove. Henderson will be in aaa. Roby and Hjerpe will be rehabbing. I would assume Tink Hence at some point will shift to the bullpen, but likely gets another run as a starter- just cannot stay healthy.

I have heard Cardinals say they will use the Wetherholt plan with Doyle next year. Maybe very late in season. The Cardinals will need to add 2SP and on needs to be a TOR type

[Ejgonz22]

It seems like Doyle won't pitch after college ball this season. Is there a plan to get him into fall ball or are we holding to starting him out next season with his arm already pitched a good amount during the college season? It looks like the rotation for next season is pretty much in place with Leahy probably getting a look there.
Gray
Libertore
Palante
Leahy
McGreevy
I assume if Doyle progresses he could be moved quickly and be in the rotation at some point if he looks ready, but I don't think we will bring anyone in with the looming labor deal going on. Matthews has more to prove. Henderson will be in aaa. Roby and Hjerpe will be rehabbing. I would assume Tink Hence at some point will shift to the bullpen, but likely gets another run as a starter- just cannot stay healthy.

I have heard Cardinals say they will use the Wetherholt plan with Doyle next year. Maybe very late in season. The Cardinals will need to add 2SP and on needs to be a TOR type

I don’t think they’ll be signing anyone for longer than a one year deal.

[cardstatman]

2026: Gray, Liberatore, Pallante, McGreevy, Mathews

Cards sign a veteran starter for injury depth.

Cards add one or two AAAA starters in Memphis to go with (Henderson, Hanson, Mautz, Rincon, Racjic, Davis, Winquest)

Wonder if Curtis Taylor will be given any type of serious look? Thompson and Rom are now in this category, I guess.

Maybe they DFA Mikolas and give Taylor some 2025 starts to decide if he deserves to come back in 2026 or we move on to other AAAA starters.
Maybe they DFA Mikolas and go with a 10-man bullpen in September. Give Mosqueda a look and Roycroft a last chance look... or a waiver claim guy.

Surely they won't go with Aaron Wilkerson at age 37!

Doyle in 2027 or Sept 2026.

[3dender]

2026: Gray, Liberatore, Pallante, McGreevy, Mathews

Cards sign a veteran starter for injury depth.

Cards add one or two AAAA starters in Memphis to go with (Henderson, Hanson, Mautz, Rincon, Racjic, Davis, Winquest)

Wonder if Curtis Taylor will be given any type of serious look? Thompson and Rom are now in this category, I guess.

Maybe they DFA Mikolas and give Taylor some 2025 starts to decide if he deserves to come back in 2026 or we move on to other AAAA starters.
Maybe they DFA Mikolas and go with a 10-man bullpen in September. Give Mosqueda a look and Roycroft a last chance look... or a waiver claim guy.

Surely they won't go with Aaron Wilkerson at age 37!

Doyle in 2027 or Sept 2026.

Yup.

At least they acquire one Lynn/Gibson type to eat innings. At best Bloom is able to convert one or two of their redundant bats into a controllable #2/3.

But people who think they're gonna acquire an ace, or two TOR pitchers, are simply living in a fantasy.

[BrockFloodMaris]

2026: Gray, Liberatore, Pallante, McGreevy, Mathews

Cards sign a veteran starter for injury depth.

Cards add one or two AAAA starters in Memphis to go with (Henderson, Hanson, Mautz, Rincon, Racjic, Davis, Winquest)

Wonder if Curtis Taylor will be given any type of serious look? Thompson and Rom are now in this category, I guess.

Maybe they DFA Mikolas and give Taylor some 2025 starts to decide if he deserves to come back in 2026 or we move on to other AAAA starters.
Maybe they DFA Mikolas and go with a 10-man bullpen in September. Give Mosqueda a look and Roycroft a last chance look... or a waiver claim guy.

Surely they won't go with Aaron Wilkerson at age 37!

Doyle in 2027 or Sept 2026.

Yup.

At least they acquire one Lynn/Gibson type to eat innings. At best Bloom is able to convert one or two of their redundant bats into a controllable #2/3.

But people who think they're gonna acquire an ace, or two TOR pitchers, are simply living in a fantasy.

I'm not sure BDW will ever again fork over the cash to sign a long term free agent TOR starter. He is just too risk averse for that.

[ICCFIM2]

It seems like Doyle won't pitch after college ball this season. Is there a plan to get him into fall ball or are we holding to starting him out next season with his arm already pitched a good amount during the college season? It looks like the rotation for next season is pretty much in place with Leahy probably getting a look there.
Gray
Libertore
Palante
Leahy
McGreevy
I assume if Doyle progresses he could be moved quickly and be in the rotation at some point if he looks ready, but I don't think we will bring anyone in with the looming labor deal going on. Matthews has more to prove. Henderson will be in aaa. Roby and Hjerpe will be rehabbing. I would assume Tink Hence at some point will shift to the bullpen, but likely gets another run as a starter- just cannot stay healthy.

I more or less agree with this. I don't think they will acquire a veteran starter as some suggested in this thread on a 1 year deal. I do think they make some trades this winter to bring in a young cost controlled starter/prospect starter. They have assets in Nootbar, Gorman, Saggese, a catcher, etc. that they should be able to land a decent SP prospect that projects out as a #2. Whether that pitcher is ready in 2026 or not, who knows.

So far, even with the departure of all the bullpen arms, this bullpen looks OK. So, sign a LH reliever this winter, make a trade for a SP, bring Wetherholdt and Crooks onto the team and lets see what it looks like.

The goal for 2027 would be something like this.
1 Doyle
2 Acquired SP
3 Liberatore
4 Leahy/Mathews
5 McGreevy

They would then have Roby and Hjerpe pitching in Memphis to provide depth and next man up. If Tanner Franklin develops into a starter, he could also be on the cusp. I have no confidence Hence will ever get there. He is a reliever. To be honest, probably listing Hjerpe and Roby as potential starters ever is at best wishful thinking...Probably if they are rehabbing OK in 2027, trading them might be the best option.

[clemonsonroots]

It seems like Doyle won't pitch after college ball this season. Is there a plan to get him into fall ball or are we holding to starting him out next season with his arm already pitched a good amount during the college season? It looks like the rotation for next season is pretty much in place with Leahy probably getting a look there.
Gray
Libertore
Palante
Leahy
McGreevy
I assume if Doyle progresses he could be moved quickly and be in the rotation at some point if he looks ready, but I don't think we will bring anyone in with the looming labor deal going on. Matthews has more to prove. Henderson will be in aaa. Roby and Hjerpe will be rehabbing. I would assume Tink Hence at some point will shift to the bullpen, but likely gets another run as a starter- just cannot stay healthy.

I more or less agree with this. I don't think they will acquire a veteran starter as some suggested in this thread on a 1 year deal. I do think they make some trades this winter to bring in a young cost controlled starter/prospect starter. They have assets in Nootbar, Gorman, Saggese, a catcher, etc. that they should be able to land a decent SP prospect that projects out as a #2. Whether that pitcher is ready in 2026 or not, who knows.

So far, even with the departure of all the bullpen arms, this bullpen looks OK. So, sign a LH reliever this winter, make a trade for a SP, bring Wetherholdt and Crooks onto the team and lets see what it looks like.

The goal for 2027 would be something like this.
1 Doyle
2 Acquired SP
3 Liberatore
4 Leahy/Mathews
5 McGreevy

They would then have Roby and Hjerpe pitching in Memphis to provide depth and next man up. If Tanner Franklin develops into a starter, he could also be on the cusp. I have no confidence Hence will ever get there. He is a reliever. To be honest, probably listing Hjerpe and Roby as potential starters ever is at best wishful thinking...Probably if they are rehabbing OK in 2027, trading them might be the best option.

Yeah, we should improve next season and if bloom is competent and the owners haven't decided to turn us into the pirates, the goal for starting to really compete is 2027. We are actually set up well with the lineup and doyle on the way. We have to- by 2027- add a true impact bat and a high end starting pitcher plus get a couple of good relievers. Quit flushing money down the toilet like mo did and use it for a couple elite type players and develop the team around them. I am interested in seeing Leahy in the rotation like has been suggested.
2026 roster as it stands
Lineup:
1 Donovan 2b
2 Winn SS
3 Wetherholt 3b
4 Herrera DH
5 Contreras 1b
6 Burleson LF
7 Nootbar RF
8 Crooks C
9 Scott II CF

bench
Pages
Saggese
Gorman
Walker

rotation
Gray
Libertore
Pallante
McGreevy
Leahy

bullpen
Romero
Graceffo
O'Brien
Granillo
Svanson
Fernandez
King

I assume Arenado is done in StL. The bench is tremendous but we are wasting value if we don't deal a couple of guys to add to either sp or bullpen. I assume there will be a trade or two besides Arenado. I will be surprised if we bring any free agents in before the collective bargaining issue is done. The bullpen could use a lefty to replace king and a true closer. Outside of that, I don't think we do much. I wish so badly we could keep Pozo on the bench. Perhaps the trades could provide that spot for him. We also have Church, Koperniak, Prieto, and Antico to supplement bench depth if a couple of guys besides Arenado are traded. My preference is that it would be Nootbar and Gorman that are moved in that order.

[clemonsonroots]

I also agree, Doyle isn't up til late next season at the earliest...but we need him, so the sooner the better if he looks ready.

[ICCFIM2]

It seems like Doyle won't pitch after college ball this season. Is there a plan to get him into fall ball or are we holding to starting him out next season with his arm already pitched a good amount during the college season? It looks like the rotation for next season is pretty much in place with Leahy probably getting a look there.
Gray
Libertore
Palante
Leahy
McGreevy
I assume if Doyle progresses he could be moved quickly and be in the rotation at some point if he looks ready, but I don't think we will bring anyone in with the looming labor deal going on. Matthews has more to prove. Henderson will be in aaa. Roby and Hjerpe will be rehabbing. I would assume Tink Hence at some point will shift to the bullpen, but likely gets another run as a starter- just cannot stay healthy.

I more or less agree with this. I don't think they will acquire a veteran starter as some suggested in this thread on a 1 year deal. I do think they make some trades this winter to bring in a young cost controlled starter/prospect starter. They have assets in Nootbar, Gorman, Saggese, a catcher, etc. that they should be able to land a decent SP prospect that projects out as a #2. Whether that pitcher is ready in 2026 or not, who knows.

So far, even with the departure of all the bullpen arms, this bullpen looks OK. So, sign a LH reliever this winter, make a trade for a SP, bring Wetherholdt and Crooks onto the team and lets see what it looks like.

The goal for 2027 would be something like this.
1 Doyle
2 Acquired SP
3 Liberatore
4 Leahy/Mathews
5 McGreevy

They would then have Roby and Hjerpe pitching in Memphis to provide depth and next man up. If Tanner Franklin develops into a starter, he could also be on the cusp. I have no confidence Hence will ever get there. He is a reliever. To be honest, probably listing Hjerpe and Roby as potential starters ever is at best wishful thinking...Probably if they are rehabbing OK in 2027, trading them might be the best option.

Yeah, we should improve next season and if bloom is competent and the owners haven't decided to turn us into the pirates, the goal for starting to really compete is 2027. We are actually set up well with the lineup and doyle on the way. We have to- by 2027- add a true impact bat and a high end starting pitcher plus get a couple of good relievers. Quit flushing money down the toilet like mo did and use it for a couple elite type players and develop the team around them. I am interested in seeing Leahy in the rotation like has been suggested.
2026 roster as it stands
Lineup:
1 Donovan 2b
2 Winn SS
3 Wetherholt 3b
4 Herrera DH
5 Contreras 1b
6 Burleson LF
7 Nootbar RF
8 Crooks C
9 Scott II CF

bench
Pages
Saggese
Gorman
Walker

rotation
Gray
Libertore
Pallante
McGreevy
Leahy

bullpen
Romero
Graceffo
O'Brien
Granillo
Svanson
Fernandez
King

I assume Arenado is done in StL. The bench is tremendous but we are wasting value if we don't deal a couple of guys to add to either sp or bullpen. I assume there will be a trade or two besides Arenado. I will be surprised if we bring any free agents in before the collective bargaining issue is done. The bullpen could use a lefty to replace king and a true closer. Outside of that, I don't think we do much. I wish so badly we could keep Pozo on the bench. Perhaps the trades could provide that spot for him. We also have Church, Koperniak, Prieto, and Antico to supplement bench depth if a couple of guys besides Arenado are traded. My preference is that it would be Nootbar and Gorman that are moved in that order.

Church will be in that mix. They will trade one of Gorman or Saggese. They will trade one of the OFs. Nootbar makes the most sense as he may have the highest value and the least amount of control. They will also add to that bullpen, at least 1 LH relief pitcher. That may be the lone free agent signing this winter if they can't pick one up in a trade.

I would also keep Pojo as the back-up catcher because the dude can hit. The real problem with all this is the team needs another bat to be a contender. I don't have any faith that Walker, Burleson, Nootbar, etc. will be anything more than 750-775 OPS guys that hit 15-20 HRs. When I look at the minor league system, unless one of the Baez boys develops, I don't see much there either. They are going to need to figure out how to trade for that as well. As much as I think Doyle was a good draft pick, I was really hoping Holliday would fall to us. Then we likely could have had a MOTOB to pair with Herrera and Wetherholdt for years to come.

We will see soon enough what Bloom is. I expect he is going to change the roster and pick up prospects for players and there will be a lot of changes that may take time to play out. But as of now, the team is heavy on infield and catching prospects. But, it lacks OF and pitching. I expect he will balance that out. MO certainly did not...

[2ninr]

They will have to bring in 1 or 2 starters on low priced one year deals to fill innings since they won’t get much from the minors.

That will be your fa deals

[woofy25]

2026: Gray, Liberatore, Pallante, McGreevy, Mathews

Cards sign a veteran starter for injury depth.

Cards add one or two AAAA starters in Memphis to go with (Henderson, Hanson, Mautz, Rincon, Racjic, Davis, Winquest)

Wonder if Curtis Taylor will be given any type of serious look? Thompson and Rom are now in this category, I guess.

Maybe they DFA Mikolas and give Taylor some 2025 starts to decide if he deserves to come back in 2026 or we move on to other AAAA starters.
Maybe they DFA Mikolas and go with a 10-man bullpen in September. Give Mosqueda a look and Roycroft a last chance look... or a waiver claim guy.

Surely they won't go with Aaron Wilkerson at age 37!

Doyle in 2027 or Sept 2026.

Yup.

At least they acquire one Lynn/Gibson type to eat innings. At best Bloom is able to convert one or two of their redundant bats into a controllable #2/3.

But people who think they're gonna acquire an ace, or two TOR pitchers, are simply living in a fantasy.

So is trading existing position players for a #2 starter

[3dender]

2026: Gray, Liberatore, Pallante, McGreevy, Mathews

Cards sign a veteran starter for injury depth.

Cards add one or two AAAA starters in Memphis to go with (Henderson, Hanson, Mautz, Rincon, Racjic, Davis, Winquest)

Wonder if Curtis Taylor will be given any type of serious look? Thompson and Rom are now in this category, I guess.

Maybe they DFA Mikolas and give Taylor some 2025 starts to decide if he deserves to come back in 2026 or we move on to other AAAA starters.
Maybe they DFA Mikolas and go with a 10-man bullpen in September. Give Mosqueda a look and Roycroft a last chance look... or a waiver claim guy.

Surely they won't go with Aaron Wilkerson at age 37!

Doyle in 2027 or Sept 2026.

Yup.

At least they acquire one Lynn/Gibson type to eat innings. At best Bloom is able to convert one or two of their redundant bats into a controllable #2/3.

But people who think they're gonna acquire an ace, or two TOR pitchers, are simply living in a fantasy.

So is trading existing position players for a #2 starter

You saw where I said that is a best case scenario? I'm under no illusions as to its likelihood.

It would take a package of probably two of Donny/Gorman/Noot/Burly and plus a couple prospects not named Wetherholt, Mathews or Doyle.

[Ronnie Dobbs]

I'm not sure BDW will ever again fork over the cash to sign a long term free agent TOR starter. He is just too risk averse for that.

Well, depending on who those players are, I don't blame him. Most big free agent deals, especially for starters, aren't going to work out great. And they're not a team that can just eat contracts like that.

But he has shown the willingness to trade for an extend players like that, or homegrown players, and that may be the smart move anyway. As long as they don't do like they did with Carpenter or Mikolas with the stupid extensions near the end of their careers.