Great breakdown Bernie regarding Brewers vs Cards

[cardstatman]

Brewers are taught the hit and run.

Cardinals are taught the swinging strike and caught stealing.

[General]

Some on here live in the past

Some live in the present

Some on here are fans of the Cardinals.

Some are fans on the opponents.

[njcardfan]

The biggest problem is the cardinals don’t have power or speed. It’s hard to score runs when most of the hitters suck and the team doesn’t have speed or power

Well they may lack speed and power and an ability to hit for average or base running smarts but...wait, where was I?

[Dewey Kuey]

I agree with BM. The Cards have way to many lead footed stumble bums who can't run and can't field the ball. That are just ok hitters.

Look at it like this. People are high on Burly, ok now ,can you see a pennant contending team built around him hitting third? We have like 3 or 4 guys in our starting lineup who can't run or field their positions very well and are mediocre hitters at best. I like WillyC, he is a good player, but really only a complimentary piece on a true contending team. He just isn't that good.
Along with a consistently inconsistent pitching staff...you have a .500 team who isn't going to win anything even if they do make the playoffs.

[BrockFloodMaris]

Some on here live in the past

Some live in the present

Some on here are fans of the Cardinals.

Some are fans on the opponents.

I am a very loyal Cards fan and have been for 50+ years. Being a fan means that I root for my team to win, to compete, to improve, to have a plan. Not since TLR left have I felt like we’ve had an on-field plan. Just a marketing plan. Being a loyal fan does not mean I co-sign lousy player development and lousy roster construction. If I think they’re bums, I’m gonna say it. I’m not a boot licker. Bernie is right. The brewers have stolen our playbook.

[blackinkbiz]

Some on here live in the past

Some live in the present

Some on here are fans of the Cardinals.

Some are fans on the opponents.

Yeah, recognizing that Mo and Co. have run this organization into the ground makes us fake Cardinals fans. Fortunately, most other Cards fans aren't the homers that many around here appear to be, as evidenced by the precipitous drop in attendance.

That stadium used to draw an average of 35-40k on weeknights and sold out every weekend. I'd be surprised if they averaged more than 10k in actual attendance per game from here through September.

I guess they're all fans of other teams now too.

[ilcubuffs]

Thank you Baseball Savant. Very well written and informative to all MLB fans, if they want to be informed.

I firmly believe you have to add Pat Murphy to list of why they are playing so well. Seemingly old school who accepts stats/data to a point. No question who makes the managerial calls/decisions on the field. Can't be that right that often, whether pitching, hitting strategy, defense, or water cooler guarding, he is an excellent manager.

Been a Cardinal fan for 6 decades. Love to see us win games, playoff games, and WS. Reality is you are not going to win every year. But the last 4 years have been brutal. Front office is ridiculous, manager is epic fool, players - not their fault, are marginal in a profession where .300 is considered very good. When you stand pat with mediocrity, other teams are going to pass you by, which is the current situation. It is best to know what your competition is doing correct and wrong so at least you will know the reason they pass you.

[Ozziesfan41]

Some on here live in the past

Some live in the present

Some on here are fans of the Cardinals.

Some are fans on the opponents.

Well you are one of the fans of the opponents since you enjoy the team being mediocre and no legitimate threat to the division or in the post season and relentlessly defend Mo who himself admitted he destroyed the player development system and needed bloom to fix what he screwed up and has previously admitted he needed to reevaluate how they evaluate talent. I mean Mo has admitted to incompetence himself on multiple occasions and how he’s messed up the organization so the only way someone would still defend that is if they aren’t a cardinals fan. He admits he’s incompetent you ignore it a fan points out the same thing and you say they aren’t fans lol

[hmoss859]

The sycophants that live in yesteryear don’t deserve a response

[ramfandan]

Been preaching this for years, too many dough boys on this roster


LIMITED ATHLETICISM. NOT ENOUGH WAYS TO SCORE RUNS

This is where I bring the division-rival Brewers deeper into the discussion. The Crew ranks 4th in the majors with an average of 4.98 runs per game. Milwaukee has only three more home runs than St. Louis, and the Cardinals have stroked 27 more doubles than the Brewers.

So how do the Brewers continue to pile up runs despite having limited power?

– Milwaukee leads the NL and is second overall with 124 stolen bases. The Cardinals rank 21st overall and 12th in the NL with 63 steals.

– It isn’t just the steals; the Brewers use their elite team speed to motor around the bases and put pressure on the other team’s defense. According to Statcast, as a team Milwaukee is second in the majors for average sprint speed, and the Cardinals are 24th. This is a large reason why FanGraphs ranks the Brewers No. 1 in the majors at 13.5 base-running runs above average; the Cards are 26th at minus 4.7 below average in base-running runs.

– Another way to put it: the Cardinals are sorely lacking in athleticism. And unless you have a team that thunders its way to imposing home-run totals, you probably need some higher-level athletes who can use their speed to create runs. The Cardinals, as a team, can’t do that. Yeah, Victor Scott can do it … but he doesn’t get on base enough. Besides, I’m talking about overall team speed, athleticism and baserunning as a runs-generating source.

– This speed game helps in other ways that add up. For example, Milwaukee has the second-lowest percentage in the majors at hitting into ground-ball double plays. No question, the speed factor helps them beat out throws to first base in double-play scenarios.

– Another speed-related bonus: the Brewers are among the MLB leaders for infield hits. And their .274 batting average on ground balls is the best in the National League. And the speed is at least some factor in Milwaukee’s .304 batting average on balls in play – which is 10 points higher than STL.

– Another way to put it: the Brewers are a helluva lot smarter than the Cardinals in the vital task of roster construction. But you already knew that, right? That IQ battle was won – in a rout – by Milwaukee many years ago.

Everything he said is spot on. Who can disagree?

TLDR but I’ll disagree.

First off, Bernie is borderline regarded so anyone posting his garbage is immediately discounted.

As for whatever this argument is, don’t ever hold up the Brewers (or the Rays for that matter) as some kind of model organization when they haven’t come remotely close to even appearing in the WS since 1982. Those losers can’t even win a playoff series so anyone who wants the Cardinals to emulate the Milwaukee Freaking Loser Brewers has no understanding of baseball or how to be a winner.

Must correct your statement that ‘ Brewers have not come even remotely close to even appearing in the WS since 1982.

Not true.. Just 7 years ago , In 2018 , the Brewers advanced thru the playoffs and got within ONE game of making the WS.
On Oct. 20, 2018 the Brewers and Dodgers were tied in the 7-game series 3 games each. Brewers lost 5-1 at Miller Park that day in
The finale game of the NLCS

[Hoosier59]

The analysts on MLB talked about how Murphy holds his players accountable, but not publicly. Sound like the opposite of the Cardinals!

[DickyBennett]

Milwaukee has developed a winning attitude spearheaded by Pat Murphy

They develop pitchers and their position players know their role

[JuanAgosto]

The Cardinals LITERALLY brought back Matt Carpenter and Lance Lynn for nostalgia and leadership. They signed some pedophile looking guy TWICE during the 2023 season when LITERALLY no other team in MLB would even offer him a tryout. They signed that donut-eating fat*ss from San Fran and gave him a huge role (and likely dozens of free rolls) when it was clear the guy wans't even replacement level any longer. They have a manager who has never even managed anything besides the Cardinals in MLB.

Cardinals live in a fantasy world. The Brewers sign guys to compete.

It's a sad state of affairs.

Your post was hilarious and sadly accurate. Mo hired Lil oli because Shildt hurt his feelings and oli promised not to. He hired Girsch because he wrote a fancy analytics paper. He brought in old guys because his dugout errand boy cant lead. And BDW closed the wallet because Johnny boy squandered too many millions. See the pattern? John Mozeliak has been a petulant, bumbling fool. He has no eye for talent. And he fears strong-willed people. Johnny bow ties is nothing more than an insufferable putz.