Would Arenado be an obvious HOFer if he never played in Colorado?

[ecleme22]

Hes a hall of fame player for sure but man i wish Mo hadnt flown down there and filled his head with dreams of putting forth the best effort to contend and talked him out of Opting out he should have told him the truth that he was going to do his usual half [ashed] mo effort to contend and let him opt out

But if he didn’t play in Colorado, his numbers would be like Longoria and Frymam, with less counting stats

[nighthawk]

I don't think so.

Career stats:
1911 hits
351 HR
.339 OBP
.507 SLUG
.847 OPS
119 OPS+

In Colorado, he had:
-5 SEASONS in row of 37-42 HRs, leading the league three times.
-5 SEASONS of .898 OPS - .962 OPS

That's like having 5 seasons in a row BETTER than his 2022 season...

So what are those numbers if he played outside of Colorado?


Does he even have 300 HRs. Would he even be in line for his 2000th hit? Would his career OPS+ be under 110?

I'm guessing he would be similar to Longoria, Fryman and a little Brooks Robinson, hitting wise.


And with that, he would fall short of the Hall of Fame.

Probably not.

I'll bet Aramis Ramirez would be in the HOF if he played his entire career in Coors

[hmoss859]

How has Arenado performed under the bright lights in the Post Season.


Oh that’s right he hasn’t hardly played in Post
Season

Well he is 5-33 with a .385 OPS

Dang that’s bad, really bad

[Othawhitemeat]

I don't think so.

Career stats:
1911 hits
351 HR
.339 OBP
.507 SLUG
.847 OPS
119 OPS+

In Colorado, he had:
-5 SEASONS in row of 37-42 HRs, leading the league three times.
-5 SEASONS of .898 OPS - .962 OPS

That's like having 5 seasons in a row BETTER than his 2022 season...

So what are those numbers if he played outside of Colorado?


Does he even have 300 HRs. Would he even be in line for his 2000th hit? Would his career OPS+ be under 110?

I'm guessing he would be similar to Longoria, Fryman and a little Brooks Robinson, hitting wise.


And with that, he would fall short of the Hall of Fame.

Probably not.

I'll bet Aramis Ramirez would be in the HOF if he played his entire career in Coors

Gasp, this is the dumbest comment of day. Aramis could hit but sucked defensively and played in a hitter friendly park in Chicago. Want to do some splits - look at PCA's numbers outside of Chicago this year. Heck look at every lefty HOF outside of Yankees Stadium. Nolan is probably top 5 to ever play 3rd base defensively (maybe top 3 if you factor in Brooks Robinson/Scott Rolen). Outside of that, can't find that. Nolan while has much larger splits in Coors to others, he still produced power in other parks and while the rbis would not be the same, he would still average many 30 homers/100 rbi seasons. Even in St. Lou, he had a top 3 mvp voting season and had a 30 homer season - both those seasons, he topped 100 rbi's. The dude while is not clutch offensively could play d and produce middle of order at bats. To me, with having 10 gold gloves and having 3 all star seasons in St. Louis as he is obviously tailing down, prove that he can play outside of Coors.

[ecleme22]

I don't think so.

Career stats:
1911 hits
351 HR
.339 OBP
.507 SLUG
.847 OPS
119 OPS+

In Colorado, he had:
-5 SEASONS in row of 37-42 HRs, leading the league three times.
-5 SEASONS of .898 OPS - .962 OPS

That's like having 5 seasons in a row BETTER than his 2022 season...

So what are those numbers if he played outside of Colorado?


Does he even have 300 HRs. Would he even be in line for his 2000th hit? Would his career OPS+ be under 110?

I'm guessing he would be similar to Longoria, Fryman and a little Brooks Robinson, hitting wise.


And with that, he would fall short of the Hall of Fame.

Probably not.

I'll bet Aramis Ramirez would be in the HOF if he played his entire career in Coors

Gasp, this is the dumbest comment of day. Aramis could hit but sucked defensively and played in a hitter friendly park in Chicago. Want to do some splits - look at PCA's numbers outside of Chicago this year. Heck look at every lefty HOF outside of Yankees Stadium. Nolan is probably top 5 to ever play 3rd base defensively (maybe top 3 if you factor in Brooks Robinson/Scott Rolen). Outside of that, can't find that. Nolan while has much larger splits in Coors to others, he still produced power in other parks and while the rbis would not be the same, he would still average many 30 homers/100 rbi seasons. Even in St. Lou, he had a top 3 mvp voting season and had a 30 homer season - both those seasons, he topped 100 rbi's. The dude while is not clutch offensively could play d and produce middle of order at bats. To me, with having 10 gold gloves and having 3 all star seasons in St. Louis as he is obviously tailing down, prove that he can play outside of Coors.

If AR played his entire career in Coors, conservatively speaking, he would have 2,500 hits, 450 HRs, 550 doubles and probably an .850 OPS.

Would he be a HOFer? Maybe not. But he would be talked about A LOT MORE than he is now.

No one is saying that Nolan didn't shine offensively in STL. But his best year in STL was like his 6th best compared to Colorado.

[An Old Friend]

I don't think so.

Career stats:
1911 hits
351 HR
.339 OBP
.507 SLUG
.847 OPS
119 OPS+

In Colorado, he had:
-5 SEASONS in row of 37-42 HRs, leading the league three times.
-5 SEASONS of .898 OPS - .962 OPS

That's like having 5 seasons in a row BETTER than his 2022 season...

So what are those numbers if he played outside of Colorado?


Does he even have 300 HRs. Would he even be in line for his 2000th hit? Would his career OPS+ be under 110?

I'm guessing he would be similar to Longoria, Fryman and a little Brooks Robinson, hitting wise.


And with that, he would fall short of the Hall of Fame.

The only nit to pick… why would his OPS+ be lower?

I’d expect it to effectively be the same. His counting stats would be less.

The question overall is a fair one. I think he’d be more well known for his elite defense had he played elsewhere.

[An Old Friend]

If Arenado gets in the HOF why hasn't Edmands? Or Kenny Boyer for that matter.

Edmonds was on a crowded ballot. This has been discussed many times. Victim of circumstance. He’d likely be headed towards enshrinement if he was on the ballot now.

[An Old Friend]

what were his stats away from COL during that time?

.985 OPS at home
.793 OPS away

While he benefitted from Coors, I also think Arenado should be considered that he is one of the best defensive 3rd basemen ever while being a very good offensive player wherever he played. Nolan put up 2 really great years in St. Louis too with 30 and 34 homers with the latter being one of finishing 3rd in MVP voting.

JMO.

Eh, he put up one great year. And that great year was worse than his all 5 of his big Colo years.

2022 was better than any year he had in Colorado. He had a 151 OPS+, whereas his high for Colorado was 133.

[12xu]

what were his stats away from COL during that time?

.985 OPS at home
.793 OPS away

those stats very similar to Ron Santo's home/away splits, and he got in the HOF, even though he was not even close to Arenado's defensive prowess.

.905 OPS at home
.747 OPS away

So would Santo have gotten in had he not played almost all of his career at Wrigley?

[ecleme22]

what were his stats away from COL during that time?

.985 OPS at home
.793 OPS away

those stats very similar to Ron Santo's home/away splits, and he got in the HOF, even though he was not even close to Arenado's defensive prowess.

.905 OPS at home
.747 OPS away

So would Santo have gotten in had he not played almost all of his career at Wrigley?

Nolan's home stats were 80 points more and away stats 46 points more. I wouldn't say 'similar'. Also, during Nolan's 5 year peak, his splits were 1.037 and .838.

I feel like every few years or so, I have to remind people that Coors Field is DIFFERENT.


Also, Santo had a 70.6 WAR, 2,250 hits had to wait 32 YEARS to get in.

I'm just saying that Nolan Arenado at 34 years old today, if he never played for the Rox, would have about 1740 hits and 278 HRs, and would probably not have the HOF talk he has now.

[An Old Friend]

what were his stats away from COL during that time?

.985 OPS at home
.793 OPS away

While he benefitted from Coors, I also think Arenado should be considered that he is one of the best defensive 3rd basemen ever while being a very good offensive player wherever he played. Nolan put up 2 really great years in St. Louis too with 30 and 34 homers with the latter being one of finishing 3rd in MVP voting.

JMO.

Eh, he put up one great year. And that great year was worse than his all 5 of his big Colo years.

That great year you say was worse was easily his best year in regards to how he did vs the league. He had a 151 ops+ for us that year. In colorado his best was 133 and he only reached 130 3 times

Ops+ also factors in the ballpark factors.

Hey, sorry for doubling up on your response! I skipped from page 1 to 3 on the thread and then realized you’d said the same things.

[An Old Friend]

I feel like every few years or so, I have to remind people that Coors Field is DIFFERENT.

I would contend that zero people need that reminder. Everyone understands that.

[Ozziesfan41]

Hes a hall of fame player for sure but man i wish Mo hadnt flown down there and filled his head with dreams of putting forth the best effort to contend and talked him out of Opting out he should have told him the truth that he was going to do his usual half [ashed] mo effort to contend and let him opt out

But if he didn’t play in Colorado, his numbers would be like Longoria and Frymam, with less counting stats

That’s fair but I don’t pay much attention to if you can do that all day long. If baroid bonds never used steroids hank Aaron would be the all time home run leader still and judge would be the single season home run king if McGwire also hadn’t used steroids if big papi hadn’t used steroids he might never have been in the hall of the fame if ankiel hadn’t melted down he might have been a hall of fame pitcher ifs don’t mean much but I guess it’s interesting to talk about

[ecleme22]

Hes a hall of fame player for sure but man i wish Mo hadnt flown down there and filled his head with dreams of putting forth the best effort to contend and talked him out of Opting out he should have told him the truth that he was going to do his usual half [ashed] mo effort to contend and let him opt out

But if he didn’t play in Colorado, his numbers would be like Longoria and Frymam, with less counting stats

That’s fair but I don’t pay much attention to if you can do that all day long. If baroid bonds never used steroids hank Aaron would be the all time home run leader still and judge would be the single season home run king if McGwire also hadn’t used steroids if big papi hadn’t used steroids he might never have been in the hall of the fame if ankiel hadn’t melted down he might have been a hall of fame pitcher ifs don’t mean much but I guess it’s interesting to talk about

Not very good analogies.

[Ozziesfan41]

Hes a hall of fame player for sure but man i wish Mo hadnt flown down there and filled his head with dreams of putting forth the best effort to contend and talked him out of Opting out he should have told him the truth that he was going to do his usual half [ashed] mo effort to contend and let him opt out

But if he didn’t play in Colorado, his numbers would be like Longoria and Frymam, with less counting stats

That’s fair but I don’t pay much attention to if you can do that all day long. If baroid bonds never used steroids hank Aaron would be the all time home run leader still and judge would be the single season home run king if McGwire also hadn’t used steroids if big papi hadn’t used steroids he might never have been in the hall of the fame if ankiel hadn’t melted down he might have been a hall of fame pitcher ifs don’t mean much but I guess it’s interesting to talk about

Not very good analogies.

Yea they are you can if anything and it doesn’t change reality and baroid wouldn’t have his numbers without steroids

[Red Bird Classic]

I don't think so.

Career stats:
1911 hits
351 HR
.339 OBP
.507 SLUG
.847 OPS
119 OPS+

In Colorado, he had:
-5 SEASONS in row of 37-42 HRs, leading the league three times.
-5 SEASONS of .898 OPS - .962 OPS

That's like having 5 seasons in a row BETTER than his 2022 season...

So what are those numbers if he played outside of Colorado?


Does he even have 300 HRs. Would he even be in line for his 2000th hit? Would his career OPS+ be under 110?

I'm guessing he would be similar to Longoria, Fryman and a little Brooks Robinson, hitting wise.


And with that, he would fall short of the Hall of Fame.

Playing in hitters parks has always helped hitters who played in them. We already have two Coors assisted HOFmers: (Walker and Helton) Nado will make 3.

The answer to your question is: No

But life isn't fair.