JJ: Jordan Walker advisory

[Ronnie Dobbs]

I went back and looked at number of CT threads around Walker and when he was called up. You may wish to do the same Rock.

You might want to go back and look at some more, because there were a lot of people saying that they were calling him up too early for no reason.

[scoutyjones2]

I am as upbeat on JJ as anyone here. Great potential.
Just like Walker.
The quotes from pro talking heads and folks here were pretty clear: he was to be the second coming. There was no reason for him to stay in AAA. He was the power bat we needed. He was past ready. The next AP.
He may yet pan out and live up to the hype. But that is not now, and it hadn’t been the case. I witnessed him haplessly flailing in SD.
So, two things. We burnish our Faberge eggs and admire them on the mantle, as they tarnish. Others here have pointed out the unwillingness if the FO to trade players at the right time-or at all. Hopefully Bloom changes that.
And no, I am not suggesting trading JJ (although Walker may at long last may be on the block), but my sense is people expect JJ to succeed at this level immediately.
And he may. But the book will go out on him and there will be regression. He may well be the cornerstone we all hope.
But it will not be automatic and ala’ Walker, there are no guarantees.

There's no need to trade Just Worthless...yet. He will spend his next year in the minors to use his last option year. It's his do or die year. He was also a stupid high school pick. Never played college ball unlike JJ...no comparison

[Goldfan]

Paige, bottom line
The day they promoted JJ to AAA I wrote “that they should think about moving him to the big club…..he’s a hitter”
You and another Debbie downer made some references to my intelligence
History can be a wonderful enlightenment for those that don’t have much vision…..

[An Old Friend]

What did Taveras, Walker and Gorman all have in common?

Extremely Long swings, that don't work at the MLB level.

With the average MLB heater over 95, you have to be short to the ball and track the ball.

JJW is exactly the type of hitter that works in MLB nowadays.

Taveras was nothing like Gorman or Walker.

He had elite bat to ball skill. Neither of them do. Why on earth would you group them?

[hmoss859]

JJW has the swing and baseball acumen to succeed at MLB level.

Walker and Gorman do not. They look good on the bus and BP, and that's it.

It's really that simple.

[imetsatchelpaige]

In terms of hitting I would put JJ more on the Oscar Taveras path than the Jordan Walker.

Prior to getting called up

wRC+
Taveras
A: 190
AA: 155
AAA: 113
AAA: 125

Wetherholt
A: 140
AA: 152
AAA: 193

Walker
A: 208
A+: 125
AA: 124

Now obviously Wetherholt has separated himself from Taveras with his initial AAA performance. I would also point out that both Taveras and Walker went down as the level got harder while Wetherholt has done the exact opposite.

Really interesting. Thx.

[imetsatchelpaige]

Paige, bottom line
The day they promoted JJ to AAA I wrote “that they should think about moving him to the big club…..he’s a hitter”
You and another Debbie downer made some references to my intelligence
History can be a wonderful enlightenment for those that don’t have much vision…..

No, actually, I still think you're pretty much an idiot.

[Goldfan]

In terms of hitting I would put JJ more on the Oscar Taveras path than the Jordan Walker.

Prior to getting called up

wRC+
Taveras
A: 190
AA: 155
AAA: 113
AAA: 125

Wetherholt
A: 140
AA: 152
AAA: 193

Walker
A: 208
A+: 125
AA: 124

Now obviously Wetherholt has separated himself from Taveras with his initial AAA performance.

Yeah, although Taveras was playing hurt. He was hitting .362 with a .988 OPS in May before he injured the ankle. He came back in June and tried to play on it, hitting .280 with a .735 OPS. He was bouncing back in 2014 but hadn't fully recovered from the ankle surgery.

Yes, his ankle was the reason he was benched in STL to attempt to shorten his enormously LONG swing which was getting exposed in MLB…..

[Goldfan]

Paige, bottom line
The day they promoted JJ to AAA I wrote “that they should think about moving him to the big club…..he’s a hitter”
You and another Debbie downer made some references to my intelligence
History can be a wonderful enlightenment for those that don’t have much vision…..

No, actually, I still think you're pretty much an idiot.

Yes, I already covered the lack of vision part…..

[DickyBennett]

What did Taveras, Walker and Gorman all have in common?

Extremely Long swings, that don't work at the MLB level.

With the average MLB heater over 95, you have to be short to the ball and track the ball.

JJW is exactly the type of hitter that works in MLB nowadays.

Taveras was nothing like Gorman or Walker.

He had elite bat to ball skill. Neither of them do. Why on earth would you group them?

In Taveras brief stay in majors, he repeatedly was beat by high heat.

Red flags galore with Taveras, he was a horrible fielder and baserunner.

I don't think he would have panned out either.

[imetsatchelpaige]

I went back and looked at number of CT threads around Walker and when he was called up. You may wish to do the same Rock.

How did you do this? I thought old threads were scrubbed, archive doesn't go back that far.

I have about 20 downloaded threads from the past ten years.
The Walker thread is among them.

[scoutyjones2]

I went back and looked at number of CT threads around Walker and when he was called up. You may wish to do the same Rock.

How did you do this? I thought old threads were scrubbed, archive doesn't go back that far.

I have about 20 downloaded threads from the past ten years.
The Walker thread is among them.

That's just weird

[An Old Friend]

Yes, his ankle was the reason he was benched in STL to attempt to shorten his enormously LONG swing which was getting exposed in MLB…..

You've been telling this story for years, and at no point of time has it ever been true.

It'd be great if you just stopped saying it at some point.

[JDW]

I went back and looked at number of CT threads around Walker and when he was called up. You may wish to do the same Rock.

How did you do this? I thought old threads were scrubbed, archive doesn't go back that far.

I have about 20 downloaded threads from the past ten years.
The Walker thread is among them.

Post it on here. I'd like to see it.

[Goldfan]

Yes, his ankle was the reason he was benched in STL to attempt to shorten his enormously LONG swing which was getting exposed in MLB…..

You've been telling this story for years, and at no point of time has it ever been true.

It'd be great if you just stopped saying it at some point.

He wasn’t benched?
And they weren’t reworking his swing?

That’s what you’re going with?

[An Old Friend]

What did Taveras, Walker and Gorman all have in common?

Extremely Long swings, that don't work at the MLB level.

With the average MLB heater over 95, you have to be short to the ball and track the ball.

JJW is exactly the type of hitter that works in MLB nowadays.

Taveras was nothing like Gorman or Walker.

He had elite bat to ball skill. Neither of them do. Why on earth would you group them?

In Taveras brief stay in majors, he repeatedly was beat by high heat.

Red flags galore with Taveras, he was a horrible fielder and baserunner.

I don't think he would have panned out either.

No one looks good running coming back from ankle surgery. He needed a healthy offseason to get there... unfortunately, that wasn't in the cards.

It's like y'all forgot why he was moving the way he was in 2014.