Contracts

[Pura Vida]

It's common knowledge many longer term contracts are back loaded which always favors the team considering inflation and other factors. Higher caliber players ask for and receive no trade clauses. Then they can control where they & their family will live and where their children will attend school, among other important decisions. Every player, HOF or not, will mature and retire, no exceptioins. Great dedicated players deserve respect and a contract has at least two parties.

[dugoutrex]

and your point is ...

[RichieRichSTL]

and your point is ...

Probably that there is a trade off. Players concede backloading, while teams concede NTC.

[CorneliusWolfe]

It's common knowledge many longer term contracts are back loaded which always favors the team considering inflation and other factors. Higher caliber players ask for and receive no trade clauses. Then they can control where they & their family will live and where their children will attend school, among other important decisions. Every player, HOF or not, will mature and retire, no exceptioins. Great dedicated players deserve respect and a contract has at least two parties.

A lot of hatred for Arenado with people going as far as calling him a coward and loser, but everyone here would’ve negotiated their deal the exact same he did. If they had the talent.

[Pura Vida]

It's common knowledge many longer term contracts are back loaded which always favors the team considering inflation and other factors. Higher caliber players ask for and receive no trade clauses. Then they can control where they & their family will live and where their children will attend school, among other important decisions. Every player, HOF or not, will mature and retire, no exceptioins. Great dedicated players deserve respect and a contract has at least two parties.

A lot of hatred for Arenado with people going as far as calling him a coward and loser, but everyone here would’ve negotiated their deal the exact same he did. If they had the talent.

Arenado certainly comes to mind!

[cardstatman]

2026 $95M ($72M + $23M arb estimates).
Gray $35M
Arenado $22M (true value is $19M due to $6M deferred to 2040-41)
Contreras $18M
Nootbar arb raise ($2.95M in 2025)
Donovan arb raise ($2.85M in 2025)
Romero arb raise ($2.26M in 2025)
Pallante arb raise ($2.1M in 2025)
King - I'm going to assume non-tendered (1.605M in 2025)
Gorman - first arb
Burleson - first arb
Liberatore - Super 2 arb


2027 $100M ($63.5M + $37.5M arb estimates)
Gray $30M (or $5M buyout)
Contreras $18.5M
Arenado $15M
new arb for Winn, Herrera, Pages, Leahy (I'm assuming Walker is in AAA in 2026)
subtract FA Romero

2028 ($5M and a clean slate)
Contreras $17.5 (or $5M buyout)
subtract FA Nootbar and Donovan

[Pura Vida]

2026 $95M ($72M + $23M arb estimates).
Gray $35M
Arenado $22M (true value is $19M due to $6M deferred to 2040-41)
Contreras $18M
Nootbar arb raise ($2.95M in 2025)
Donovan arb raise ($2.85M in 2025)
Romero arb raise ($2.26M in 2025)
Pallante arb raise ($2.1M in 2025)
King - I'm going to assume non-tendered (1.605M in 2025)
Gorman - first arb
Burleson - first arb
Liberatore - Super 2 arb


2027 $100M ($63.5M + $37.5M arb estimates)
Gray $30M (or $5M buyout)
Contreras $18.5M
Arenado $15M
new arb for Winn, Herrera, Pages, Leahy (I'm assuming Walker is in AAA in 2026)
subtract FA Romero

2028 ($5M and a clean slate)
Contreras $17.5 (or $5M buyout)
subtract FA Nootbar and Donovan

Good info! Should have its own post.

[45s]

Any agent worth his fee will demand that the backload be adjusted for inflation….

[govman]

It's common knowledge many longer term contracts are back loaded which always favors the team considering inflation and other factors. Higher caliber players ask for and receive no trade clauses. Then they can control where they & their family will live and where their children will attend school, among other important decisions. Every player, HOF or not, will mature and retire, no exceptioins. Great dedicated players deserve respect and a contract has at least two parties.

A lot of hatred for Arenado with people going as far as calling him a coward and loser, but everyone here would’ve negotiated their deal the exact same he did. If they had the talent.

Arenado certainly comes to mind!

but it's not like Nado has deep attachment for St Louis--he's getting paid no matter team; I don't get baseball players investing money in houses since they're probably the most often traded athletes in any sport (except maybe basketball), so sell house and buy (rent?) another. didn't he say he wants to be on competitive team, yet turns down offers?

[JuanAgosto]

In the last ten years I think Mo's prerequisites for a contract have been 1. A pulse 2. Promise to show up.

[Youboughtit]

and your point is ...

Probably that there is a trade off. Players concede backloading, while teams concede NTC.

10/5 players get them even if not in contract.

[Youboughtit]

2026 $95M ($72M + $23M arb estimates).
Gray $35M
Arenado $22M (true value is $19M due to $6M deferred to 2040-41)
Contreras $18M
Nootbar arb raise ($2.95M in 2025)
Donovan arb raise ($2.85M in 2025)
Romero arb raise ($2.26M in 2025)
Pallante arb raise ($2.1M in 2025)
King - I'm going to assume non-tendered (1.605M in 2025)
Gorman - first arb
Burleson - first arb
Liberatore - Super 2 arb


2027 $100M ($63.5M + $37.5M arb estimates)
Gray $30M (or $5M buyout)
Contreras $18.5M
Arenado $15M
new arb for Winn, Herrera, Pages, Leahy (I'm assuming Walker is in AAA in 2026)
subtract FA Romero

2028 ($5M and a clean slate)
Contreras $17.5 (or $5M buyout)
subtract FA Nootbar and Donovan

Good info! Should have its own post.

No doubt they would love to move Contreras Gray and Arenado with no return. NTC is only thing keeping Cardinals from being the Marlins/Rays