The Athletic: Cardinals trade deadline evaluation

[peterman'srealitytour]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/652884 ... d=26273973

[Punkk6]

Paywall

[Beth O'Malley]

A quick warning: Don't put the full text of the article in the comments.

[Konstantinov]

LOSERS

St. Louis Cardinals

The Cardinals had held on to closer Ryan Helsley, looking for the perfect time to trade him. This seemed to be that time. The return, though, was light. Keith Law described it as “a heist.” An evaluator who’d been impressed with how little Phillies GM Dave Dombrowski gave up to acquire Duran then said the Mets’ David Stearns “blew him out of the water” with the Helsley deal. Jesus Baez is a massively skilled prospect, but he’s raw and a long way off. None of the other minor leaguers acquired at the deadline — Nate Dohm, Frank Elissalt, Skylar Hales, Mason Molina, Blaze Jordan — project to be above-average big leaguers. — SN

[hugeCardfan]

Jesus Baez is a massively skilled prospect, but he’s raw and a long way off. None of the other minor leaguers acquired at the deadline — Nate Dohm, Frank Elissalt, Skylar Hales, Mason Molina, Blaze Jordan — project to be above-average big leaguers.

Who cares if Baez is a long way off? We have ML ready position players for any position that Baez would eventually fill. Massively skilled sounds like a great deal given that all 3 pitchers will be gone in two months. Oh, and we have the right to bid on them this winter if so inclined.

Hard to fixate on whether the other acquisitions project to be above-average big leaguers. That is Chaim and his dominions job to find out. At least we have material to work with.

[Ozziesfan41]

Helsely and fedde should have been traded in the offseason when their value was higher. I also saw an interesting comment on a St. Louis sports central show they said if helsley and fedde would have been traded in the offseason arenado would have definitely waived his no trade and went to the astros but because they didn’t after the astros traded Tucker and didn’t do much else arenado thought he had might as well stay put because the cardinals and astros had about the same chance of winning. So Mo probably shot himself in the foot twice by not trading them

[rockondlouie]

LOSERS

St. Louis Cardinals

The Cardinals had held on to closer Ryan Helsley, looking for the perfect time to trade him. This seemed to be that time. The return, though, was light. Keith Law described it as “a heist.” An evaluator who’d been impressed with how little Phillies GM Dave Dombrowski gave up to acquire Duran then said the Mets’ David Stearns “blew him out of the water” with the Helsley deal. Jesus Baez is a massively skilled prospect, but he’s raw and a long way off. None of the other minor leaguers acquired at the deadline — Nate Dohm, Frank Elissalt, Skylar Hales, Mason Molina, Blaze Jordan — project to be above-average big leaguers. — SN

Not surprising

People overvalued what Helsley would bring as a rental, why he should've been dealt after his all world 2024 season.

Maton was never going to bring back anything more than a low level lotto ticket unless he was attached to one of Donny/Burly/Noot.

Bloom may have made a steal though w/the Matz trade, this kid could have some upside from what we're reading.