Explain not dealing Jojo when we won’t be competitive for 2-3 years at least

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Re: Explain not dealing Jojo when we won’t be competitive for 2-3 years at least

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12xu wrote: 01 Aug 2025 09:10 am
rockondlouie wrote: 01 Aug 2025 08:57 am Plenty of time this winter for C. Bloom to make deals.

Players like JoJo, Donny, Noot, Burly ect....can easily go then.
True. After Helsley, Matz, and Maton were traded, the bullpen was barren - not just for the rest of this season, but for next year also. JoJo is signed at a very reasonable deal for '26, and he was the last seasoned late inning reliever left. Even though the Cards will probably not be competitive next year, they will still need a bullpen not just staffed by kids and/or weak vets.

I understand fully why Romero was held on to. As for Donovan, Burleson, and Noot - as Mo explained - the Cardinals did not receive any acceptable offers. No need to trade them now for weak returns.

Hopefully Bloom will make some significant moves this winter.
Key was to get whatever you could for the expiring contacts now, hopefully one or two players pan out.

The BIG work (re: Roster makeover) comes this winter when Bloom has to cull away some of the clogged position players.

I have no issue (now that we know the truth that they did indeed field offers for D-B-N), they can be dealt this winter if Bloom chooses to.
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Re: Explain not dealing Jojo when we won’t be competitive for 2-3 years at least

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Carp4Cy wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:10 pm
ZouMiz2424 wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:08 pm I just don’t [fork]ing get why the Cardinals refuse to do the smart moves
2-3 more years is NOT acceptable. Bloom doesn't have that long. We've already been bad since 23, so thats 3 years. 3 more is not OK.

Boston went worst to first in a single year, twice. Why can't we do it in less than 6?
Don’t hold Bloom hostage because of Mozeliak’s mistakes.

He deserves a clean slate in 2026, not 2023.
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Re: Explain not dealing Jojo when we won’t be competitive for 2-3 years at least

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rockondlouie wrote: 01 Aug 2025 08:57 am Plenty of time this winter for C. Bloom to make deals.

Players like JoJo, Donny, Noot, Burly ect....can easily go then.
+100 Right on, Rock.
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Re: Explain not dealing Jojo when we won’t be competitive for 2-3 years at least

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HighHeet wrote: 01 Aug 2025 10:04 am
rockondlouie wrote: 01 Aug 2025 08:57 am Plenty of time this winter for C. Bloom to make deals.

Players like JoJo, Donny, Noot, Burly ect....can easily go then.
+100 Right on, Rock.
Thx HH!

And honestly I'd rather Bloom have a few months in the "big" office to think things over as opposed to he & Mo dealing one of those players now.
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Re: Explain not dealing Jojo when we won’t be competitive for 2-3 years at least

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Agree that it's an off-season move.
If the Phillies only gave up a catcher in the MLB Pipeline 50s and SP in the 90s for Duran with one year of control, what did folks expect JoJO to return?
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