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The Cardinals Way

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Has Kissell's the Cardinals Way finally been terminated?
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Yes, it ended in a fatal car accident.
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lidstrom5 wrote: 31 Jul 2025 08:21 am Has Kissell's the Cardinals Way finally been terminated?
The Cardinal Way is just about how to play fundamental baseball. They are still teaching fundamentals in the minors the last time I checked.....
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It's like the Patriot way in football.
That crashed and burned too.
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bccardsfan wrote: 31 Jul 2025 08:26 am
lidstrom5 wrote: 31 Jul 2025 08:21 am Has Kissell's the Cardinals Way finally been terminated?
The Cardinal Way is just about how to play fundamental baseball. They are still teaching fundamentals in the minors the last time I checked.....
Kissell taught more than fundamentals. He also taught mind set and wanting to win and how to win.
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bccardsfan wrote: 31 Jul 2025 08:26 am
lidstrom5 wrote: 31 Jul 2025 08:21 am Has Kissell's the Cardinals Way finally been terminated?
The Cardinal Way is just about how to play fundamental baseball. They are still teaching fundamentals in the minors the last time I checked.....
And then they send them to St Louis even though zero talent and not much learning.
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OldRed wrote: 31 Jul 2025 08:29 am
bccardsfan wrote: 31 Jul 2025 08:26 am
lidstrom5 wrote: 31 Jul 2025 08:21 am Has Kissell's the Cardinals Way finally been terminated?
The Cardinal Way is just about how to play fundamental baseball. They are still teaching fundamentals in the minors the last time I checked.....
Kissell taught more than fundamentals. He also taught mind set and wanting to win and how to win.
Perhaps he should have concentrated more on Moe and the Pencil Neck? Those two have forgotten who they work for.
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Kissell's version of the "Cardinals Way" ended when Mozeliak fired Shildt. The full transition to analytics was made then.
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lidstrom5 wrote: 31 Jul 2025 08:21 am Has Kissell's the Cardinals Way finally been terminated?
Actually, no. If you listen to interviews with Bloom and Cerfolio, they refer to it and respect it.
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JuanAgosto wrote: 31 Jul 2025 09:04 am Kissell's version of the "Cardinals Way" ended when Mozeliak fired Shildt. The full transition to analytics was made then.
Agreed. Shildt probably us not the best strategist and i am not sure about BP usage, but his teams do not tend to defeat themselves on fundamentals and he doesnt have the oli mindset on losing. But Shildt was a long termer the Cardinal''s system, so Im not surprised he has that old school outlook.
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Cranny wrote: 31 Jul 2025 10:03 amas
lidstrom5 wrote: 31 Jul 2025 08:21 am Has Kissell's the Cardinals Way finally been terminated?
Actually, no. If you listen to interviews with Bloom and Cerfolio, they refer to it and respect it.
Mo sure hasn't in recent years.
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Cranny wrote: 31 Jul 2025 10:03 am
lidstrom5 wrote: 31 Jul 2025 08:21 am Has Kissell's the Cardinals Way finally been terminated?
Actually, no. If you listen to interviews with Bloom and Cerfolio, they refer to it and respect it.
Hopefully they can revive it because it is as dead as a door knob right now.
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Cranny wrote: 31 Jul 2025 10:03 am
lidstrom5 wrote: 31 Jul 2025 08:21 am Has Kissell's the Cardinals Way finally been terminated?
Actually, no. If you listen to interviews with Bloom and Cerfolio, they refer to it and respect it.
Listen to the Cerfolio interview!!! Oh God, won’t someone PLEASE LISTEN TO THE INTERVIEW!!!
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RichieRichSTL wrote: 31 Jul 2025 10:34 am
JuanAgosto wrote: 31 Jul 2025 09:04 am Kissell's version of the "Cardinals Way" ended when Mozeliak fired Shildt. The full transition to analytics was made then.
Agreed. Shildt probably us not the best strategist and i am not sure about BP usage, but his teams do not tend to defeat themselves on fundamentals and he doesnt have the oli mindset on losing. But Shildt was a long termer the Cardinal''s system, so Im not surprised he has that old school outlook.
I agree about Shildt's handling of the bullpen. And I wasn't a huge fan. But he did clean up the fundamentals as cards manager. He was gifted Kissell's binder after George's death. Im sure he took it to SD when he left.

I wonder if Bloom will receive a copy of "Mo's Way"? :lol:
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JuanAgosto wrote: 31 Jul 2025 11:00 am
RichieRichSTL wrote: 31 Jul 2025 10:34 am
JuanAgosto wrote: 31 Jul 2025 09:04 am Kissell's version of the "Cardinals Way" ended when Mozeliak fired Shildt. The full transition to analytics was made then.
Agreed. Shildt probably us not the best strategist and i am not sure about BP usage, but his teams do not tend to defeat themselves on fundamentals and he doesnt have the oli mindset on losing. But Shildt was a long termer the Cardinal''s system, so Im not surprised he has that old school outlook.
I agree about Shildt's handling of the bullpen. And I wasn't a huge fan. But he did clean up the fundamentals as cards manager. He was gifted Kissell's binder after George's death. Im sure he took it to SD when he left.

I wonder if Bloom will receive a copy of "Mo's Way"? :lol:
Mo-ran's Way.. 'how to be a arrogant snob and be a millionaire!'...and leave the team in much worse shape!
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WLTFE wrote: 31 Jul 2025 11:06 am
JuanAgosto wrote: 31 Jul 2025 11:00 am
RichieRichSTL wrote: 31 Jul 2025 10:34 am
JuanAgosto wrote: 31 Jul 2025 09:04 am Kissell's version of the "Cardinals Way" ended when Mozeliak fired Shildt. The full transition to analytics was made then.
Agreed. Shildt probably us not the best strategist and i am not sure about BP usage, but his teams do not tend to defeat themselves on fundamentals and he doesnt have the oli mindset on losing. But Shildt was a long termer the Cardinal''s system, so Im not surprised he has that old school outlook.
I agree about Shildt's handling of the bullpen. And I wasn't a huge fan. But he did clean up the fundamentals as cards manager. He was gifted Kissell's binder after George's death. Im sure he took it to SD when he left.

I wonder if Bloom will receive a copy of "Mo's Way"? :lol:
Mo-ran's Way.. 'how to be a arrogant snob and be a millionaire!'...and leave the team in much worse shape!
'How to anger an entire fanbase by driving a winning franchise off a cliff'.
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