One of the things I really like about Blaze Jordan

[Midrange Jay]

Appears to be a very good return for Matz. I think an argument could be made that the Cards got more value out of this deal than the Helsley trade.

A rich man’s Luken Baker? I dig that description.

I don’t know much about the prospects, but the Helsley trade netted all A ball guys. They are years away.

yup.. NOT what they needed .. need players closer, if not ready, to make it to the bigs. disapointing

If they actually sign a real OF and SP, it would take some of the sting off. We only have $100 million payroll next year.

[Ronnie Dobbs]

Good god, what makes any of you think that you are going to get MLB ready talent for Ryan Helsley and/or Steven Matz?

[rockondlouie]

I like this deal though admittedly have only read national/local reports.

But obviously C. Bloom knows him and see's somethings there.

Good deal for Bloom, hope it pans out.

[swatski]

Feels similar to burleson and Herrera so we are close to having at least 3 1B/DH types with like what 20 home run upside. Isolation good return and he’s only 22 so can probably wait out Contreras but idk kind weird fit with how cards are currently constructed. Maybe burly is getting moved next.

All of these unathletic slow power hitters is really stupid roster construction when you take into account the ball park they play in. Either build a speedy team or bring in the fences.

[An Old Friend]

I like his bat, primarily his power from the right side. So now the Cardinals have an abundance of corner infielders and DH types - Arenado, Contreras, Burleson, Gorman, and Blaze Jordan. There has also been discussion on this forum about moving Walker back to corner IF since he has been suspect in RF. There is also a glut of middle IF with Winn, Wetherholt, Donovan, Saggese, and Gorman. Add to both 2b, ss, and 3b the recently acquired Jesus Baez.

Seems like some of these assets need to be traded.

In my opinion, both of these trades were about unloading Matz salary and getting anything they could for Helsley before he becomes a free agent. Both trades had nothing to do with improving the Major League team at this time.

Ummm.... duh? But Matz wasn't a salary dump, they got value back for him. It wasn't about unloading his salary.

If you expected otherwise, shame on you, you don't understand what they're doing.

They've said 100x that it's a reset. They're resetting their payroll. They're resetting their player development framework. Nothing they're doing today is intended to help the major league team today.

[An Old Friend]

If the Red Sox are paying Matz salary this the old "addition by subtraction".

That isn't what that means.

That concept implies that your team got better by removing the player. You're suggesting that Matz was holding the unit back.

The Cardinals bullpen is worse without Matz... so definitely NOT "addition by subtraction"

.500 team going nowhere. YES it is "addition by subtraction" if Boston pays his contract. I wouldn't e surprised if Matz isn't injured in his first outing for the Red Sox.

You didn't need to re-confirm that you don't understand the phrase you're choosing to misuse... but thanks?

[Clubmaker2]

Planning for multiple years away only? Then its a rebuild, not a reset. And oh, is it a reset of the checking book, as they do not intend to spend the money the retract off the books with their "quiet off season" coming up. Its a money grab to keep in their pockets.