Ivan Herrera - Question?

[Cardinals4Life]

Have the Cardinals said officially that they have given up on Herrera behind the dish?

I haven't heard that (but may have missed it).

I realize he has had a couple injuries, so they have been DHing him. I also realize putting him in the OF might open up the DH spot for others (Burleson and Gorman).

But if we haven't given up on him as a C, then why not give him the rest of season as the primary C? If they aren't satisfied, then we know going into the offseason that he will need to be the DH or in the OF.

I am just a little confused on the Cardinals plan for him or their position on the matter.

[ClassicO]

He couldn’t throw Lizzo out if she got a good jump.
And he’ll get a lot more ABs at another position/DH.

[Ozziesfan41]

Have the Cardinals said officially that they have given up on Herrera behind the dish?

I haven't heard that (but may have missed it).

I realize he has had a couple injuries, so they have been DHing him. I also realize putting him in the OF might open up the DH spot for others (Burleson and Gorman).

But if we haven't given up on him as a C, then why not give him the rest of season as the primary C? If they aren't satisfied, then we know going into the offseason that he will need to be the DH or in the OF.

I am just a little confused on the Cardinals plan for him or their position on the matter.

They found out early on he wasn’t going to be a catcher. If they thought he had he had a chance at sticking they would have kept catching him in the runway season so they pivoted to see if pages could be the catcher and they’re now realizing he’s not the guy either

[RunSup]

Have the Cardinals said officially that they have given up on Herrera behind the dish?

I haven't heard that (but may have missed it).

I realize he has had a couple injuries, so they have been DHing him. I also realize putting him in the OF might open up the DH spot for others (Burleson and Gorman).

But if we haven't given up on him as a C, then why not give him the rest of season as the primary C? If they aren't satisfied, then we know going into the offseason that he will need to be the DH or in the OF.

I am just a little confused on the Cardinals plan for him or their position on the matter.

They found out early on he wasn’t going to be a catcher. If they thought he had he had a chance at sticking they would have kept catching him in the runway season so they pivoted to see if pages could be the catcher and they’re now realizing he’s not the guy either

Crooks and Bernal are coming. If Rainiel Rodriguez can field the position, he is on their heels.

This year somehow Pozo is contributing as a backup and RH punch hitter.

The cardinals are loaded with catchers in the system with good bats and hopefully better defense.

Herrera was not going to stick long term at catcher. If he doesn't play another position, they have to trade him.

Pages is on the bubble next year.

[Cardinals4Life]

Have the Cardinals said officially that they have given up on Herrera behind the dish?

I haven't heard that (but may have missed it).

I realize he has had a couple injuries, so they have been DHing him. I also realize putting him in the OF might open up the DH spot for others (Burleson and Gorman).

But if we haven't given up on him as a C, then why not give him the rest of season as the primary C? If they aren't satisfied, then we know going into the offseason that he will need to be the DH or in the OF.

I am just a little confused on the Cardinals plan for him or their position on the matter.

They found out early on he wasn’t going to be a catcher. If they thought he had he had a chance at sticking they would have kept catching him in the runway season so they pivoted to see if pages could be the catcher and they’re now realizing he’s not the guy either

Crooks and Bernal are coming. If Rainiel Rodriguez can field the position, he is on their heels.

This year somehow Pozo is contributing as a backup and RH punch hitter.

The cardinals are loaded with catchers in the system with good bats and hopefully better defense.

Herrera was not going to stick long term at catcher. If he doesn't play another position, they have to trade him.

Pages is on the bubble next year.

So you think this move is because the Cardinals have fully given up on him back there and not to protect him from injury, since they need his bat?

[Wattage]

Have the Cardinals said officially that they have given up on Herrera behind the dish?

I haven't heard that (but may have missed it).

I realize he has had a couple injuries, so they have been DHing him. I also realize putting him in the OF might open up the DH spot for others (Burleson and Gorman).

But if we haven't given up on him as a C, then why not give him the rest of season as the primary C? If they aren't satisfied, then we know going into the offseason that he will need to be the DH or in the OF.

I am just a little confused on the Cardinals plan for him or their position on the matter.

I will have to search for the quote but i believe oli said after the latest injury that herrera was.more or less not gonna play catcher again THIS season due to the hamstring issues.

[Wattage]

Have the Cardinals said officially that they have given up on Herrera behind the dish?

I haven't heard that (but may have missed it).

I realize he has had a couple injuries, so they have been DHing him. I also realize putting him in the OF might open up the DH spot for others (Burleson and Gorman).

But if we haven't given up on him as a C, then why not give him the rest of season as the primary C? If they aren't satisfied, then we know going into the offseason that he will need to be the DH or in the OF.

I am just a little confused on the Cardinals plan for him or their position on the matter.

Found it
https://sports.yahoo.com/article/cardin ... ulU8T474jL


"We have to definitely keep that in mind as far as if we want to keep him healthy for the remaining couple months… We haven’t come up with, like, ‘This is exactly what it will look like,’ but we’re pretty close to [not catching].”

So yeah, they had already written him off from catching rest of this year for health reasons. With other prospects coming he probably is done as a catcher. Maybe he will still take reps next year for occasional late game insertions if we pinch hit or pinch run for other catchers, bur i think writing is on the wall

[Ozziesfan41]

Have the Cardinals said officially that they have given up on Herrera behind the dish?

I haven't heard that (but may have missed it).

I realize he has had a couple injuries, so they have been DHing him. I also realize putting him in the OF might open up the DH spot for others (Burleson and Gorman).

But if we haven't given up on him as a C, then why not give him the rest of season as the primary C? If they aren't satisfied, then we know going into the offseason that he will need to be the DH or in the OF.

I am just a little confused on the Cardinals plan for him or their position on the matter.

They found out early on he wasn’t going to be a catcher. If they thought he had he had a chance at sticking they would have kept catching him in the runway season so they pivoted to see if pages could be the catcher and they’re now realizing he’s not the guy either

Crooks and Bernal are coming. If Rainiel Rodriguez can field the position, he is on their heels.

This year somehow Pozo is contributing as a backup and RH punch hitter.

The cardinals are loaded with catchers in the system with good bats and hopefully better defense.

Herrera was not going to stick long term at catcher. If he doesn't play another position, they have to trade him.

Pages is on the bubble next year.

Why would they have to trade him? There is a DH

[Cardinals4Life]

Have the Cardinals said officially that they have given up on Herrera behind the dish?

I haven't heard that (but may have missed it).

I realize he has had a couple injuries, so they have been DHing him. I also realize putting him in the OF might open up the DH spot for others (Burleson and Gorman).

But if we haven't given up on him as a C, then why not give him the rest of season as the primary C? If they aren't satisfied, then we know going into the offseason that he will need to be the DH or in the OF.

I am just a little confused on the Cardinals plan for him or their position on the matter.

I will have to search for the quote but i believe oli said agter the latest injury that herrera was.more or less not gonna play catcher again THIS season due to the hamstring issues.

Okay. Thanks Wattage. That's what I was really curious about. Was this injury-related (protecting him) or game-related (they don't think he can handle it)?

If it's the former, then once again, the Cardinals have wasted opportunity to really see what they have. They will spend next season trying to "figure it out". I think that's become a real problem with this organization. They can't properly evaluate guys and then are never really quite sure who to go with. We've promoted guys who aren't ready (exs. Walker/Gorman/Scott), git rid of guys who perform elsewhere, and then ignored other ls who were more ready, but who lacked the prospect pedigree. Couple that with "needing" the young prospects to carry the club because they refuse to put quality around them is ridiculous.

[3dender]

They don't usually say those things officially, they just show you with their actions.

[Cardinals4Life]

Have the Cardinals said officially that they have given up on Herrera behind the dish?

I haven't heard that (but may have missed it).

I realize he has had a couple injuries, so they have been DHing him. I also realize putting him in the OF might open up the DH spot for others (Burleson and Gorman).

But if we haven't given up on him as a C, then why not give him the rest of season as the primary C? If they aren't satisfied, then we know going into the offseason that he will need to be the DH or in the OF.

I am just a little confused on the Cardinals plan for him or their position on the matter.

Found it
https://sports.yahoo.com/article/cardin ... ulU8T474jL


"We have to definitely keep that in mind as far as if we want to keep him healthy for the remaining couple months… We haven’t come up with, like, ‘This is exactly what it will look like,’ but we’re pretty close to [not catching].”

So yeah, they had already written him off from catching rest of this year for health reasons. With other prospects coming he probably is done as a catcher. Maybe he will still take reps next year for occasional late game insertions if we pinch hit or pinch run for other catchers, bur i think writing is on the wall

Thanks!! Appreciate you finding that!!

[Cardinals4Life]

They don't usually say those things officially, they just show you with their actions.

Yeah, true. Although Oli did come out last season and say Contreras wasn't going to catch. Then 2 weekend later they let him out of detention. Lol

Wattage also just posted a link where Oli said it was just for the season and was to protect him from further injury.

[An Old Friend]

They don't usually say those things officially, they just show you with their actions.

Yeah, true. Although Oli did come out last season and say Contreras wasn't going to catch. Then 2 weekend later they let him out of detention. Lol

Wattage also just posted a link where Oli said it was just for the season and was to protect him from further injury.

OK... but surely you can see that they're preparing to be done with him catching.

[JDW]

Great to see Herrera in LF last night. I'd speculate that in practice he has looked decent out there or they wouldn't have already exposed him out there in a MLB game. Many of us figured they'd work with him over the offseason to see if it was a viable option to put him out there, but apparently he's way ahead of schedule on the transition, or at least I hope so.

[Goldfan]

Great to see Herrera in LF last night. I'd speculate that in practice he has looked decent out there or they wouldn't have already exposed him out there in a MLB game. Many of us figured they'd work with him over the offseason to see if it was a viable option to put him out there, but apparently he's way ahead of schedule on the transition, or at least I hope so.

How did he perform. I don’t recall seeing any chances

[JDW]

Great to see Herrera in LF last night. I'd speculate that in practice he has looked decent out there or they wouldn't have already exposed him out there in a MLB game. Many of us figured they'd work with him over the offseason to see if it was a viable option to put him out there, but apparently he's way ahead of schedule on the transition, or at least I hope so.

How did he perform. I don’t recall seeing any chances

Well, on his 1st chance, he went back to the track and caught one, then couldn't help from smiling and having some emotion, which was neat to see. They took the ball and had it authenticated, lol. After that I'm not sure.