We finished last 2 years ago. Now a dump and rebuild?

[Dazepster]

If you can trade him for top prospects you absolutely do it in my opinion. He’s not a power hitter he doesn’t have speed he’s not going to score 100 runs he’s not going to drive in 100 runs he will be around a.780 OPS hitter he’s versatile. That’s the kind of player that elevates a good to a very good team he’s not the type of player who elevates a mediocre or bad team to a good team and he’s not the type of player you should build a team around. If you can trade him for high end ready for the majors players you do it. The cardinals have lost with him they can lose without him

When was the last time somebody traded their top prospect? Who would we trade JJ Weatherholt for?...especially if he has only 2 years left til FA?

How is it we know that Donovan cannot help elevate a mediocre or bad team? Hasn't he done that this year? We aren't very good and yet until a week ago we were considered still in the hunt.

Trade the good players and all you have left is prospects which makes a very bad team.

Yeah, I don't see the compelling reason to deal Donovan at this point.

No, not a piece to build around. A piece that you can simply Plug and Play and know you are going to get Solid Play Day In Day Out. He gets on base, consistently, and at a high rate. Haven't had many of him since Prime Carp.

And still Cheap. Trade him in his Walk Year. Enjoy and value the dependability in the interim.

We get to the point where he is the Weak Link we going to have ourselves a darn good team.

Now, if you bowl me over with an offer I can't refuse well I may have to give him a suitcase as a going away gift. It's a business after all.

[ClassicO]

And that load of prospects Mo got in that selloff two years ago have amounted to a BIG FAT NOTHING!

Why I'm not confident he'll get much for Helsley, Maton, Matz etal if they're dealt unless C. Bloom is making the call.

I'm not confident either but again, they're going to lose most of these players anyway, and the more valuable ones don't necessarily fit an ideal lineup construction. Neither Donovan nor Burly field are great defensively, nor do they have speed.
They are the most replaceable by JJW and the three other DHs (IH, NG and ultimately, JW).

They need to try, even if they've failed before. They have to acquire what they don't have, such as pitching and far better OFs.

[Ozziesfan41]

If you can trade him for top prospects you absolutely do it in my opinion. He’s not a power hitter he doesn’t have speed he’s not going to score 100 runs he’s not going to drive in 100 runs he will be around a.780 OPS hitter he’s versatile. That’s the kind of player that elevates a good to a very good team he’s not the type of player who elevates a mediocre or bad team to a good team and he’s not the type of player you should build a team around. If you can trade him for high end ready for the majors players you do it. The cardinals have lost with him they can lose without him

When was the last time somebody traded their top prospect? Who would we trade JJ Weatherholt for?...especially if he has only 2 years left til FA?

How is it we know that Donovan cannot help elevate a mediocre or bad team? Hasn't he done that this year? We aren't very good and yet until a week ago we were considered still in the hunt.

Trade the good players and all you have left is prospects which makes a very bad team.

Why can’t Donovan elevate good to mediocre teams? Pujols couldn’t do that and he was a superstar. And no he has helped the cards this season but we see he doesn’t carry a team because the cards collapsed. Donovan isn’t a superstar. He’s not a 90-100 run guy he’s not 80-100 rbi guy he’s not a 20 home run or 20 stolen base guy he’s not even .800 ops guy. He’s a good complimentary piece on a team with stars which the cards aren’t and if he’s the guy you’re trying to build a team around you aren’t building a very good team. I’m not saying trade him just to trade him but if you can get top prospects for him do it because the cards aren’t going to be good for several more years no matter how much people won’t to fool themselves into believing otherwise

[JuanAgosto]

1. Its a shame (and ridiculous) that BDW & Mo let a perineal winner fall to the current state.

2. Mo's return in the 2023 sell-off doesn't inspire confidence that he will do anything decent this year.

3. The fact an outgoing pobo is allowed to oversee the trade deadline a week before handing over the job shows how inept this organization is at running things.

[Ozziesfan41]

1. Its a shame (and ridiculous) that BDW & Mo let a perineal winner fall to the current state.

2. Mo's return in the 2023 sell-off doesn't inspire confidence that he will do anything decent this year.

3. The fact an outgoing pobo is allowed to oversee the trade deadline a week before handing over the job shows how inept this organization is at running things.

+1 on all of the above. Mo is the most indecisive person to oversee a sell off and the fact that they have overseeing the trade line instead of the guy taking over is baffling

[JuanAgosto]

1. Its a shame (and ridiculous) that BDW & Mo let a perineal winner fall to the current state.

2. Mo's return in the 2023 sell-off doesn't inspire confidence that he will do anything decent this year.

3. The fact an outgoing pobo is allowed to oversee the trade deadline a week before handing over the job shows how inept this organization is at running things.

+1 on all of the above. Mo is the most indecisive person to oversee a sell off and the fact that they have overseeing the trade line instead of the guy taking over is baffling

It shows both Mozeliak's arrogance and Dewitt's continued bad decision making.

[hugeCardfan]

If you can trade him for top prospects you absolutely do it in my opinion. He’s not a power hitter he doesn’t have speed he’s not going to score 100 runs he’s not going to drive in 100 runs he will be around a.780 OPS hitter he’s versatile. That’s the kind of player that elevates a good to a very good team he’s not the type of player who elevates a mediocre or bad team to a good team and he’s not the type of player you should build a team around. If you can trade him for high end ready for the majors players you do it. The cardinals have lost with him they can lose without him

When was the last time somebody traded their top prospect? Who would we trade JJ Weatherholt for?...especially if he has only 2 years left til FA?

How is it we know that Donovan cannot help elevate a mediocre or bad team? Hasn't he done that this year? We aren't very good and yet until a week ago we were considered still in the hunt.

Trade the good players and all you have left is prospects which makes a very bad team.

Why can’t Donovan elevate good to mediocre teams? Pujols couldn’t do that and he was a superstar. And no he has helped the cards this season but we see he doesn’t carry a team because the cards collapsed. Donovan isn’t a superstar. He’s not a 90-100 run guy he’s not 80-100 rbi guy he’s not a 20 home run or 20 stolen base guy he’s not even .800 ops guy. He’s a good complimentary piece on a team with stars which the cards aren’t and if he’s the guy you’re trying to build a team around you aren’t building a very good team. I’m not saying trade him just to trade him but if you can get top prospects for him do it because the cards aren’t going to be good for several more years no matter how much people won’t to fool themselves into believing otherwise

Pujols did it all the time when he was in his prime. But, he couldn't have done it all by himself. He needed quality players like Donovan to fill in the blanks. What does not a 90-100 run guy mean? He has a career .363. With a strong middle of the order team he could score 90-100 runs. But, the point isn't stats; that he can't control.

No. He's not someone you build the team around. He's an affordable player who gives the team a better chance to win, rather than JAG. Any team would love to give us prospects for Donovan. Prospects fill a farm roster. Top prospects? They don't do that, not for a guy with 2 years left on a contract. No one considers trading their #1 prospect. It doesn't go very far down that list before there are no TOP prospects...just prospects.

I don't buy the old saw....that the Cardinals aren't going to be good for several more years. We have already been shocked at how good the team has been this year knowing full well that we didn't have the pitching to get us a long postseason run. The pitching can be fixed. There is talent that needs to come together. We don't know when that will happen but it could be sooner rather than later. When it does, we need to have good position players in place. I would extend Donovan with a modest contract so when the pitching can carry us, there are position players to get the job done...not just a bunch of prospects.

Winn, Donovan, Weatherfort, Contreras, Walker, Herrera, Burleson, Crooks... We aren't very far away from a better team. Get some pitching like our our new draft pick Doyle up in a year or so, Mathews, McGreevy, Gray, Hjerpe, Henderson....etc and who knows when we will be good enough to compete. Not you and not me. Keep the quality, extend it and be ready when the pitching comes to fruition.

[Ozziesfan41]

If you can trade him for top prospects you absolutely do it in my opinion. He’s not a power hitter he doesn’t have speed he’s not going to score 100 runs he’s not going to drive in 100 runs he will be around a.780 OPS hitter he’s versatile. That’s the kind of player that elevates a good to a very good team he’s not the type of player who elevates a mediocre or bad team to a good team and he’s not the type of player you should build a team around. If you can trade him for high end ready for the majors players you do it. The cardinals have lost with him they can lose without him

When was the last time somebody traded their top prospect? Who would we trade JJ Weatherholt for?...especially if he has only 2 years left til FA?

How is it we know that Donovan cannot help elevate a mediocre or bad team? Hasn't he done that this year? We aren't very good and yet until a week ago we were considered still in the hunt.

Trade the good players and all you have left is prospects which makes a very bad team.

Why can’t Donovan elevate good to mediocre teams? Pujols couldn’t do that and he was a superstar. And no he has helped the cards this season but we see he doesn’t carry a team because the cards collapsed. Donovan isn’t a superstar. He’s not a 90-100 run guy he’s not 80-100 rbi guy he’s not a 20 home run or 20 stolen base guy he’s not even .800 ops guy. He’s a good complimentary piece on a team with stars which the cards aren’t and if he’s the guy you’re trying to build a team around you aren’t building a very good team. I’m not saying trade him just to trade him but if you can get top prospects for him do it because the cards aren’t going to be good for several more years no matter how much people won’t to fool themselves into believing otherwise

Pujols did it all the time when he was in his prime. But, he couldn't have done it all by himself. He needed quality players like Donovan to fill in the blanks. What does not a 90-100 run guy mean? He has a career .363. With a strong middle of the order team he could score 90-100 runs. But, the point isn't stats; that he can't control.

No. He's not someone you build the team around. He's an affordable player who gives the team a better chance to win, rather than JAG. Any team would love to give us prospects for Donovan. Prospects fill a farm roster. Top prospects? They don't do that, not for a guy with 2 years left on a contract. No one considers trading their #1 prospect. It doesn't go very far down that list before there are no TOP prospects...just prospects.

I don't buy the old saw....that the Cardinals aren't going to be good for several more years. We have already been shocked at how good the team has been this year knowing full well that we didn't have the pitching to get us a long postseason run. The pitching can be fixed. There is talent that needs to come together. We don't know when that will happen but it could be sooner rather than later. When it does, we need to have good position players in place. I would extend Donovan with a modest contract so when the pitching can carry us, there are position players to get the job done...not just a bunch of prospects.

Winn, Donovan, Weatherfort, Contreras, Walker, Herrera, Burleson, Crooks... We aren't very far away from a better team. Get some pitching like our our new draft pick Doyle up in a year or so, Mathews, McGreevy, Gray, Hjerpe, Henderson....etc and who knows when we will be good enough to compete. Not you and not me. Keep the quality, extend it and be ready when the pitching comes to fruition.

Well I disagree. And that’s fine. Albert was on some bad cardinal teams he was on some worse angels teams trout was an MVP candidate many years and couldn’t elevate the angels. And the team needs middle of the order bats and a rotation make over and a new manager. That’s not going to happen to happen in the next couple of years and by then he will be a free agent and I would be surprised if bloom with a payroll handicap is going to drop 100 million to sign Donovan to a long term contract. So I say trade him while he’s at peak value. He’s far from an untouchable player some make him out to be

[rockondlouie]

And that load of prospects Mo got in that selloff two years ago have amounted to a BIG FAT NOTHING!

Why I'm not confident he'll get much for Helsley, Maton, Matz etal if they're dealt unless C. Bloom is making the call.

That is not entirely true. Sagesse may be OK, Roby may be decent. King pitched OK last year. But, we were not trading A list guys last year. If they trade Helsley, they need to get someone better than Roby in return.

When it comes to trading a player like Donovan, who is an established ML player who should average around 3BWar per year, the haul needs to be spectacular. When teams like the Dodgers say they are interested, I am not certain how well I like their top 10 prospects. If they do want a trade, I want 3 of their top 10. They only have 1 pitcher in that group and several OFs, but they are all 2027 ETA. I want 2 of them.

You are right, none of the players we get in a deal like I just described may turn out to be good. But, we would have added 3 players that could be average to above avg ML players. When you look at baseball trade value, the Dodgers have some OF prospect, Zyhir Hope, who is in high A ball and has a 2027 ETA who they give the same trade value as Donovan. The proposed trades give us him, a lower pitching prospect and a lottery ticket. While the theoretical trade values match up, no way if I am the Cards do I make that trade. He could easily become the next Jordan Walker and we have nothing. I want him, plus their #1 prospect, plus their #6 prospect, a SP prospect. While the trade values I sure say that is an overpay for Donovan, if the Dodgers want another WS title and think Donovan gets them there, that is the price. But, the payoff is going to be years away...

100% true

NONE of the players Mo acquired in the last fire sale have amounted to anything.

Saggese (.228 .259 .331 .590) = JAG
Roby = INJURED all the time
King (5.31 ERA) = DFA material

None of the prospects Mo acquired in that selloff will ever be "average", re: 100 OPS+ players.

That said, let's hope C. Bloom has some say in this (hopefully) selloff of Helsley, Maton, Matz and ?????

And as I mentioned above:


Katie Woo
@katiejwoo
#STLCards pitching prospect Tekoah Roby underwent Tommy John surgery on Friday and will likely not pitch until 2027, multiple sources tell The Athletic.

Of course that comment did not take long to not age well. But, if you read my entire comment regarding the value of Donovan compared to prospects, what I was stating is that you need 3 really top prospects to make that trade because likely only 1 of them really works out. Unfortunately, the baseball world over values prospects so it is hard to make the trade work unless a team is willing to part with several over valued prospects for one specific player. So, I was arguing your side to some degree.

With respect to the 2023 trades, the odds will always be on your side because most prospects do not work out. There is still hope for Saggese as he put up some stellar minor league numbers. He may be JAG. But, it is not hopeless. Yes, Roby is always hurt. It is pitching so it happens. But, they have the guy still and who knows, maybe he comes back in 2027 and makes it. We acquired a young Chris Carpenter 20+ years ago and he sat out 2 years with injuries. Then...Maybe we can get lucky again. At this point, I think that is what we are left with hope.

No sweat brother

[rockondlouie]

And that load of prospects Mo got in that selloff two years ago have amounted to a BIG FAT NOTHING!

Why I'm not confident he'll get much for Helsley, Maton, Matz etal if they're dealt unless C. Bloom is making the call.

I'm not confident either but again, they're going to lose most of these players anyway, and the more valuable ones don't necessarily fit an ideal lineup construction. Neither Donovan nor Burly field are great defensively, nor do they have speed.
They are the most replaceable by JJW and the three other DHs (IH, NG and ultimately, JW).

They need to try, even if they've failed before. They have to acquire what they don't have, such as pitching and far better OFs.

The only untouchable for me on the ML roster is our new LFer!

Anyone else can be had for the right price (Helsley, Maton and Matz for whatever they can get).

[hugeCardfan]

If you can trade him for top prospects you absolutely do it in my opinion. He’s not a power hitter he doesn’t have speed he’s not going to score 100 runs he’s not going to drive in 100 runs he will be around a.780 OPS hitter he’s versatile. That’s the kind of player that elevates a good to a very good team he’s not the type of player who elevates a mediocre or bad team to a good team and he’s not the type of player you should build a team around. If you can trade him for high end ready for the majors players you do it. The cardinals have lost with him they can lose without him

When was the last time somebody traded their top prospect? Who would we trade JJ Weatherholt for?...especially if he has only 2 years left til FA?

How is it we know that Donovan cannot help elevate a mediocre or bad team? Hasn't he done that this year? We aren't very good and yet until a week ago we were considered still in the hunt.

Trade the good players and all you have left is prospects which makes a very bad team.

Why can’t Donovan elevate good to mediocre teams? Pujols couldn’t do that and he was a superstar. And no he has helped the cards this season but we see he doesn’t carry a team because the cards collapsed. Donovan isn’t a superstar. He’s not a 90-100 run guy he’s not 80-100 rbi guy he’s not a 20 home run or 20 stolen base guy he’s not even .800 ops guy. He’s a good complimentary piece on a team with stars which the cards aren’t and if he’s the guy you’re trying to build a team around you aren’t building a very good team. I’m not saying trade him just to trade him but if you can get top prospects for him do it because the cards aren’t going to be good for several more years no matter how much people won’t to fool themselves into believing otherwise

Pujols did it all the time when he was in his prime. But, he couldn't have done it all by himself. He needed quality players like Donovan to fill in the blanks. What does not a 90-100 run guy mean? He has a career .363. With a strong middle of the order team he could score 90-100 runs. But, the point isn't stats; that he can't control.

No. He's not someone you build the team around. He's an affordable player who gives the team a better chance to win, rather than JAG. Any team would love to give us prospects for Donovan. Prospects fill a farm roster. Top prospects? They don't do that, not for a guy with 2 years left on a contract. No one considers trading their #1 prospect. It doesn't go very far down that list before there are no TOP prospects...just prospects.

I don't buy the old saw....that the Cardinals aren't going to be good for several more years. We have already been shocked at how good the team has been this year knowing full well that we didn't have the pitching to get us a long postseason run. The pitching can be fixed. There is talent that needs to come together. We don't know when that will happen but it could be sooner rather than later. When it does, we need to have good position players in place. I would extend Donovan with a modest contract so when the pitching can carry us, there are position players to get the job done...not just a bunch of prospects.

Winn, Donovan, Weatherfort, Contreras, Walker, Herrera, Burleson, Crooks... We aren't very far away from a better team. Get some pitching like our our new draft pick Doyle up in a year or so, Mathews, McGreevy, Gray, Hjerpe, Henderson....etc and who knows when we will be good enough to compete. Not you and not me. Keep the quality, extend it and be ready when the pitching comes to fruition.

Well I disagree. And that’s fine. Albert was on some bad cardinal teams he was on some worse angels teams trout was an MVP candidate many years and couldn’t elevate the angels. And the team needs middle of the order bats and a rotation make over and a new manager. That’s not going to happen to happen in the next couple of years and by then he will be a free agent and I would be surprised if bloom with a payroll handicap is going to drop 100 million to sign Donovan to a long term contract. So I say trade him while he’s at peak value. He’s far from an untouchable player some make him out to be

Trout was on bad teams because the Angels failed to provide good ones to help him win. Too many prospects unable to support him. That isn’t us with Donovan, Winn, Weatherford, Herrera, Burleson, Contreras etc. get us a Trout like stud and some pitching and watch us soar.

[Carp4Cy]

And that load of prospects Mo got in that selloff two years ago have amounted to a BIG FAT NOTHING!

Why I'm not confident he'll get much for Helsley, Maton, Matz etal if they're dealt unless C. Bloom is making the call.

I'm not confident either but again, they're going to lose most of these players anyway, and the more valuable ones don't necessarily fit an ideal lineup construction. Neither Donovan nor Burly field are great defensively, nor do they have speed.
They are the most replaceable by JJW and the three other DHs (IH, NG and ultimately, JW).

They need to try, even if they've failed before. They have to acquire what they don't have, such as pitching and far better OFs.

"They have to acquire what they don't have, such as pitching and far better OFs."

This is the only part that matters muchin the end. Whether they succeed in trading FAs for nobodies or not won't really make that huge of an impact. The Fedde return was a big fat PTBNL.

[Futuregm2]

If you can trade him for top prospects you absolutely do it in my opinion. He’s not a power hitter he doesn’t have speed he’s not going to score 100 runs he’s not going to drive in 100 runs he will be around a.780 OPS hitter he’s versatile. That’s the kind of player that elevates a good to a very good team he’s not the type of player who elevates a mediocre or bad team to a good team and he’s not the type of player you should build a team around. If you can trade him for high end ready for the majors players you do it. The cardinals have lost with him they can lose without him

When was the last time somebody traded their top prospect? Who would we trade JJ Weatherholt for?...especially if he has only 2 years left til FA?

How is it we know that Donovan cannot help elevate a mediocre or bad team? Hasn't he done that this year? We aren't very good and yet until a week ago we were considered still in the hunt.

Trade the good players and all you have left is prospects which makes a very bad team.

Why can’t Donovan elevate good to mediocre teams? Pujols couldn’t do that and he was a superstar. And no he has helped the cards this season but we see he doesn’t carry a team because the cards collapsed. Donovan isn’t a superstar. He’s not a 90-100 run guy he’s not 80-100 rbi guy he’s not a 20 home run or 20 stolen base guy he’s not even .800 ops guy. He’s a good complimentary piece on a team with stars which the cards aren’t and if he’s the guy you’re trying to build a team around you aren’t building a very good team. I’m not saying trade him just to trade him but if you can get top prospects for him do it because the cards aren’t going to be good for several more years no matter how much people won’t to fool themselves into believing otherwise

Pujols did it all the time when he was in his prime. But, he couldn't have done it all by himself. He needed quality players like Donovan to fill in the blanks. What does not a 90-100 run guy mean? He has a career .363. With a strong middle of the order team he could score 90-100 runs. But, the point isn't stats; that he can't control.

No. He's not someone you build the team around. He's an affordable player who gives the team a better chance to win, rather than JAG. Any team would love to give us prospects for Donovan. Prospects fill a farm roster. Top prospects? They don't do that, not for a guy with 2 years left on a contract. No one considers trading their #1 prospect. It doesn't go very far down that list before there are no TOP prospects...just prospects.

I don't buy the old saw....that the Cardinals aren't going to be good for several more years. We have already been shocked at how good the team has been this year knowing full well that we didn't have the pitching to get us a long postseason run. The pitching can be fixed. There is talent that needs to come together. We don't know when that will happen but it could be sooner rather than later. When it does, we need to have good position players in place. I would extend Donovan with a modest contract so when the pitching can carry us, there are position players to get the job done...not just a bunch of prospects.

Winn, Donovan, Weatherfort, Contreras, Walker, Herrera, Burleson, Crooks... We aren't very far away from a better team. Get some pitching like our our new draft pick Doyle up in a year or so, Mathews, McGreevy, Gray, Hjerpe, Henderson....etc and who knows when we will be good enough to compete. Not you and not me. Keep the quality, extend it and be ready when the pitching comes to fruition.

He’s a .363 OBP guy without power or speed. That is the reason that he has not scored more than 65 runs in a season.

There may be teams desperate enough and think he’ll be a piece that puts them over the top this year to give up a good prospect or two. As has been said, he’s a very good complimentary piece on a good team. That is worth something and could be the missing piece for a WS title run for some team. I don’t think his trade value will ever be higher than right now and I don’t think his value to the Cardinals is going to be as high over the next two years. So I would look to trade him at the deadline if you can get a really good offer for him.

[hugeCardfan]

If you can trade him for top prospects you absolutely do it in my opinion. He’s not a power hitter he doesn’t have speed he’s not going to score 100 runs he’s not going to drive in 100 runs he will be around a.780 OPS hitter he’s versatile. That’s the kind of player that elevates a good to a very good team he’s not the type of player who elevates a mediocre or bad team to a good team and he’s not the type of player you should build a team around. If you can trade him for high end ready for the majors players you do it. The cardinals have lost with him they can lose without him

When was the last time somebody traded their top prospect? Who would we trade JJ Weatherholt for?...especially if he has only 2 years left til FA?

How is it we know that Donovan cannot help elevate a mediocre or bad team? Hasn't he done that this year? We aren't very good and yet until a week ago we were considered still in the hunt.

Trade the good players and all you have left is prospects which makes a very bad team.

Why can’t Donovan elevate good to mediocre teams? Pujols couldn’t do that and he was a superstar. And no he has helped the cards this season but we see he doesn’t carry a team because the cards collapsed. Donovan isn’t a superstar. He’s not a 90-100 run guy he’s not 80-100 rbi guy he’s not a 20 home run or 20 stolen base guy he’s not even .800 ops guy. He’s a good complimentary piece on a team with stars which the cards aren’t and if he’s the guy you’re trying to build a team around you aren’t building a very good team. I’m not saying trade him just to trade him but if you can get top prospects for him do it because the cards aren’t going to be good for several more years no matter how much people won’t to fool themselves into believing otherwise

Pujols did it all the time when he was in his prime. But, he couldn't have done it all by himself. He needed quality players like Donovan to fill in the blanks. What does not a 90-100 run guy mean? He has a career .363. With a strong middle of the order team he could score 90-100 runs. But, the point isn't stats; that he can't control.

No. He's not someone you build the team around. He's an affordable player who gives the team a better chance to win, rather than JAG. Any team would love to give us prospects for Donovan. Prospects fill a farm roster. Top prospects? They don't do that, not for a guy with 2 years left on a contract. No one considers trading their #1 prospect. It doesn't go very far down that list before there are no TOP prospects...just prospects.

I don't buy the old saw....that the Cardinals aren't going to be good for several more years. We have already been shocked at how good the team has been this year knowing full well that we didn't have the pitching to get us a long postseason run. The pitching can be fixed. There is talent that needs to come together. We don't know when that will happen but it could be sooner rather than later. When it does, we need to have good position players in place. I would extend Donovan with a modest contract so when the pitching can carry us, there are position players to get the job done...not just a bunch of prospects.

Winn, Donovan, Weatherfort, Contreras, Walker, Herrera, Burleson, Crooks... We aren't very far away from a better team. Get some pitching like our our new draft pick Doyle up in a year or so, Mathews, McGreevy, Gray, Hjerpe, Henderson....etc and who knows when we will be good enough to compete. Not you and not me. Keep the quality, extend it and be ready when the pitching comes to fruition.

He’s a .363 OBP guy without power or speed. That is the reason that he has not scored more than 65 runs in a season.

There may be teams desperate enough and think he’ll be a piece that puts them over the top this year to give up a good prospect or two. As has been said, he’s a very good complimentary piece on a good team. That is worth something and could be the missing piece for a WS title run for some team. I don’t think his trade value will ever be higher than right now and I don’t think his value to the Cardinals is going to be as high over the next two years. So I would look to trade him at the deadline if you can get a really good offer for him.

He doesn't have elite speed, but he has average to good speed. He runs the bases well. He's only a lead off guy because we don't seem to have one. Nobody else can get on base close to his frequency. He is a pretty good #2 or #5 or 6 hitter if we had the others positions covered. 14-15 HR's is NOT "no power". A .300 BA isn't chopped liver. Gold glove caliber isn't nothing.

Trade value doesn't mean jack squat relating to prospects. Unless a team is willing to give you their #1, it's just a shot in the dark. A reasonable extension makes the concept of trade value useless. Valuing from what we know, I might trade Donovan for JJ and/or Doyle but certainly not Hence, Mathews or Crooks. What team trades us their JJ or Doyle? No one. They want us to say thank you to the #4 or 5 prospect.... We have a bonafide major league player who contributes virtually daily and are willing to settle? Not me.

If the Cardinals decide to trade Donovan, I will live with it. I watched Alcantara leave and didn't like it, but, nothing you can do. I watched Arozarena go..... Still a Cardinal fan. But, I don't trade valuable ML veterans for "prospects"......

[3dender]

He’s a .363 OBP guy without power or speed. That is the reason that he has not scored more than 65 runs in a season.

There may be teams desperate enough and think he’ll be a piece that puts them over the top this year to give up a good prospect or two. As has been said, he’s a very good complimentary piece on a good team. That is worth something and could be the missing piece for a WS title run for some team. I don’t think his trade value will ever be higher than right now and I don’t think his value to the Cardinals is going to be as high over the next two years. So I would look to trade him at the deadline if you can get a really good offer for him.

Totally agree with all this

Also I estimate the chances of them trading their lone All-Star just a few weeks after all of the local puff pieces made their rounds as < 1%

[Futuregm2]

If you can trade him for top prospects you absolutely do it in my opinion. He’s not a power hitter he doesn’t have speed he’s not going to score 100 runs he’s not going to drive in 100 runs he will be around a.780 OPS hitter he’s versatile. That’s the kind of player that elevates a good to a very good team he’s not the type of player who elevates a mediocre or bad team to a good team and he’s not the type of player you should build a team around. If you can trade him for high end ready for the majors players you do it. The cardinals have lost with him they can lose without him

When was the last time somebody traded their top prospect? Who would we trade JJ Weatherholt for?...especially if he has only 2 years left til FA?

How is it we know that Donovan cannot help elevate a mediocre or bad team? Hasn't he done that this year? We aren't very good and yet until a week ago we were considered still in the hunt.

Trade the good players and all you have left is prospects which makes a very bad team.

Why can’t Donovan elevate good to mediocre teams? Pujols couldn’t do that and he was a superstar. And no he has helped the cards this season but we see he doesn’t carry a team because the cards collapsed. Donovan isn’t a superstar. He’s not a 90-100 run guy he’s not 80-100 rbi guy he’s not a 20 home run or 20 stolen base guy he’s not even .800 ops guy. He’s a good complimentary piece on a team with stars which the cards aren’t and if he’s the guy you’re trying to build a team around you aren’t building a very good team. I’m not saying trade him just to trade him but if you can get top prospects for him do it because the cards aren’t going to be good for several more years no matter how much people won’t to fool themselves into believing otherwise

Pujols did it all the time when he was in his prime. But, he couldn't have done it all by himself. He needed quality players like Donovan to fill in the blanks. What does not a 90-100 run guy mean? He has a career .363. With a strong middle of the order team he could score 90-100 runs. But, the point isn't stats; that he can't control.

No. He's not someone you build the team around. He's an affordable player who gives the team a better chance to win, rather than JAG. Any team would love to give us prospects for Donovan. Prospects fill a farm roster. Top prospects? They don't do that, not for a guy with 2 years left on a contract. No one considers trading their #1 prospect. It doesn't go very far down that list before there are no TOP prospects...just prospects.

I don't buy the old saw....that the Cardinals aren't going to be good for several more years. We have already been shocked at how good the team has been this year knowing full well that we didn't have the pitching to get us a long postseason run. The pitching can be fixed. There is talent that needs to come together. We don't know when that will happen but it could be sooner rather than later. When it does, we need to have good position players in place. I would extend Donovan with a modest contract so when the pitching can carry us, there are position players to get the job done...not just a bunch of prospects.

Winn, Donovan, Weatherfort, Contreras, Walker, Herrera, Burleson, Crooks... We aren't very far away from a better team. Get some pitching like our our new draft pick Doyle up in a year or so, Mathews, McGreevy, Gray, Hjerpe, Henderson....etc and who knows when we will be good enough to compete. Not you and not me. Keep the quality, extend it and be ready when the pitching comes to fruition.

He’s a .363 OBP guy without power or speed. That is the reason that he has not scored more than 65 runs in a season.

There may be teams desperate enough and think he’ll be a piece that puts them over the top this year to give up a good prospect or two. As has been said, he’s a very good complimentary piece on a good team. That is worth something and could be the missing piece for a WS title run for some team. I don’t think his trade value will ever be higher than right now and I don’t think his value to the Cardinals is going to be as high over the next two years. So I would look to trade him at the deadline if you can get a really good offer for him.

He doesn't have elite speed, but he has average to good speed. He runs the bases well. He's only a lead off guy because we don't seem to have one. Nobody else can get on base close to his frequency. He is a pretty good #2 or #5 or 6 hitter if we had the others positions covered. 14-15 HR's is NOT "no power". A .300 BA isn't chopped liver. Gold glove caliber isn't nothing.

Trade value doesn't mean jack squat relating to prospects. Unless a team is willing to give you their #1, it's just a shot in the dark. A reasonable extension makes the concept of trade value useless. Valuing from what we know, I might trade Donovan for JJ and/or Doyle but certainly not Hence, Mathews or Crooks. What team trades us their JJ or Doyle? No one. They want us to say thank you to the #4 or 5 prospect.... We have a bonafide major league player who contributes virtually daily and are willing to settle? Not me.

If the Cardinals decide to trade Donovan, I will live with it. I watched Alcantara leave and didn't like it, but, nothing you can do. I watched Arozarena go..... Still a Cardinal fan. But, I don't trade valuable ML veterans for "prospects"......

He’s “gold glove” because he won a utility gold glove. He’s a career -3 DRS at 2B, he’s a +2 DRS in the OF, and he’s +6 at 3B (he’s played there a lot less than OF or 2B though).

He’s not a .300 hitter. He’s at .281 for his career, which is still good.

11 or 14 HRs is fine for a #7 hitter. It’s not #2 or 5 or 6 quality in today’s game. And more importantly his SLG% is .409 for his career. That’s not good power.

His OPS this season has also fallen to the point where it’s his T-2nd lowest of his career now. He got off to a great start in April/May, he’s been in a skid since the beginning of June (.669 OPS).

Yea, we aren’t going to get a top 10 prospect in baseball. Shocker? But they might still be able to get a good deal for him. We’ll see, I don’t expect him to be dealt, I’d be pretty surprised if he was honestly. But I do think there’s a good chance he gets traded by Bloom this offseason.