It's time for Burleson to re-establsh himself

[imadangman]

It looks like Shady is Burleson's good luck charm. As soon as he posted about this, Burleson hit a home run.

Shady can you try it for Gorman. See if you can get him to re-establish himself tonight.

[Shady]

It looks like Shady is Burleson's good luck charm. As soon as he posted about this, Burleson hit a home run.

Shady can you try it for Gorman. See if you can get him to re-establish himself tonight.

There's a lot of difference in the hitting approach of Gorman compared to Burleson. Burleson is a hitter. Gorman is a swinger.

[Futuregm2]

It looks like Shady is Burleson's good luck charm. As soon as he posted about this, Burleson hit a home run.

Shady can you try it for Gorman. See if you can get him to re-establish himself tonight.

Gorman is on the IL, so I wouldn’t waste that right now.

[Shady]

Kinda funny how some see Burly as a good offensive player while they also view VS2 currently as a bad offensive player.
So before all the newer metrics were out, many of us used to add runs scored with Rbi's minus Home runs hit to come up with an offensive number we used to measure players against each other.

Burly in 323 AB's before todays game with 34 runs + 44 RBI's minus 12 HR's = 66 and a +1.2 bWAR.
VS2 in 308 AB's with 45 runs +33 RBI's minus 5 HR's = 73 and a bWAR of +1.8.

So who's the more valuable offensive player here? One hits 9th, one currently hits 3rd.
Burly also is vulnerable to the gidp which imo makes him a better fit somewhere around 6th in the order than 3rd. Gidp's not only reduce Burly's offensive totals but also reduces other players stats with less opportunities for runs scored and RBI's when he gidp's.

Who's more vulnerable to the strikeout? Burleson or Scott. Too many just don't value Burleson's amazing bat to ball skill.

Who's more vulnerable to the gidp? Which is the worst out, a gidp or a K? Gidp's kill a lot of innings, aka pitcher's best friend.
That said, AB's done good for who he is, but his best fit might be as a platoon player instead of an everyday guy. He might also be a much more productive in a hitter friendly ballpark for half his games, as his power is decent, but a little on the warning track side in STL.
Earlier I've wondered on here what OPS it'd take for Burly to be a productive starter. At a .800 OPS like now he's in the range of about a +1.5 to +2 bWAR guy. That's not starter material imo with his lack of being able to play a key position. Now IF he could be a .850 OPS hitter, he would be a viably good starter for a team and could be a +3 bWAR type player.

Oh, right now, he's definitely a starter. But unless he demonstrates more power, he's probably more of a #6 type in the lineup. Problem is, for now, I don't see a better combo at 2,3 and 4 than Herrera, Burleson and Contreras.

[JDW]

Wetherholt at 2, Herrera at 3 and Contreras at cleanup looks better to me than the current 2, 3 and 4 currently of IH, AB and WC, just saying.

The Cards just went thru a crucial stretch that determined their fate before the deadline. AB didn't do much during that stretch to help the Cards stay in the hunt. When his bat goes cold, he becomes a liability in the lineup with no other plus tools to help the team with. I don't think JJW will have the same deficits in his overall game.

[Shady]

Wetherholt at 2, Herrera at 3 and Contreras at cleanup looks better to me than the current 2, 3 and 4 currently of IH, AB and WC, just saying.

The Cards just went thru a crucial stretch that determined their fate before the deadline. AB didn't do much during that stretch to help the Cards stay in the hunt. When his bat goes cold, he becomes a liability in the lineup with no other plus tools to help the team with. I don't think JJW will have the same deficits in his overall game.

Right now, Burleson seems like a much more disciplined hitter than Herrera. Herrera's been swinging wildly at some breaking balls. And, Burleson has been taking quite a few close pitches for balls and drawing more walks these days. He's really improved that facet.

[craviduce]

Wetherholt at 2, Herrera at 3 and Contreras at cleanup looks better to me than the current 2, 3 and 4 currently of IH, AB and WC, just saying.

The Cards just went thru a crucial stretch that determined their fate before the deadline. AB didn't do much during that stretch to help the Cards stay in the hunt. When his bat goes cold, he becomes a liability in the lineup with no other plus tools to help the team with. I don't think JJW will have the same deficits in his overall game.

Right now, Burleson seems like a much more disciplined hitter than Herrera. Herrera's been swinging wildly at some breaking balls. And, Burleson has been taking quite a few close pitches for balls and drawing more walks these days. He's really improved that facet.

Ivan Herrera 10% BB rate, career 9.9% BB rate.
Alex Burleson ~ 7% BB rate, career 6.5% BB rate

again...look up the stats before you make claims.

[Futuregm2]

Wetherholt at 2, Herrera at 3 and Contreras at cleanup looks better to me than the current 2, 3 and 4 currently of IH, AB and WC, just saying.

The Cards just went thru a crucial stretch that determined their fate before the deadline. AB didn't do much during that stretch to help the Cards stay in the hunt. When his bat goes cold, he becomes a liability in the lineup with no other plus tools to help the team with. I don't think JJW will have the same deficits in his overall game.

Right now, Burleson seems like a much more disciplined hitter than Herrera. Herrera's been swinging wildly at some breaking balls. And, Burleson has been taking quite a few close pitches for balls and drawing more walks these days. He's really improved that facet.

Herrera chase rate: 23.2%
Burleson chase rate: 32.3%

You have Burleson blinders on your eyes. You only see what you want to see with Burleson. And that is Babe Ruth out there swinging a baseball.

[craviduce]

Wetherholt at 2, Herrera at 3 and Contreras at cleanup looks better to me than the current 2, 3 and 4 currently of IH, AB and WC, just saying.

The Cards just went thru a crucial stretch that determined their fate before the deadline. AB didn't do much during that stretch to help the Cards stay in the hunt. When his bat goes cold, he becomes a liability in the lineup with no other plus tools to help the team with. I don't think JJW will have the same deficits in his overall game.

Right now, Burleson seems like a much more disciplined hitter than Herrera. Herrera's been swinging wildly at some breaking balls. And, Burleson has been taking quite a few close pitches for balls and drawing more walks these days. He's really improved that facet.

Herrera chase rate: 23.2%
Burleson chase rate: 32.3%

You have Burleson blinders on your eyes. You only see what you want to see with Burleson. And that is Babe Ruth out there swinging a baseball.

-0.6 WAR
0.6 WAR
1.4 WAR

2023-2025....Shady was right about Burley....he's average at best.

[Cusecards]

I’m chuckling because when it comes to Burleson on CT he is either “overrated” or “underrated” there is no in between.
And in between is where he most likely fits.
I have been impressed with his first half. He has established himself as a regular but can he sustain it??
Last year he had a strong first half then tailed off the last two months.
We know he can play 1B and while he is no gazelle....his OF defense to me is adequate.
Now....can he finish strong AND make strides batting against LH pitching?
If not...he may fit in as a platoon guy vs RH pitching?
Not that that is a bad thing it’s just that right now the Cards are a bit overloaded from the Left side so who plays?
Burleson/Gorman/Nootbaar/Scott/Donovan?
To me Donovan is easily the best vs. LH pitching and Scott has the edge in PT playing CF.
With Wetherholt and Crooks looming someone figures to get dealt??

[craviduce]

I’m chuckling because when it comes to Burleson on CT he is either “overrated” or “underrated” there is no in between.
And in between is where he most likely fits.
I have been impressed with his first half. He has established himself as a regular but can he sustain it??
Last year he had a strong first half then tailed off the last two months.
We know he can play 1B and while he is no gazelle....his OF defense to me is adequate.
Now....can he finish strong AND make strides batting against LH pitching?
If not...he may fit in as a platoon guy vs RH pitching?
Not that that is a bad thing it’s just that right now the Cards are a bit overloaded from the Left side so who plays?
Burleson/Gorman/Nootbaar/Scott/Donovan?
To me Donovan is easily the best vs. LH pitching and Scott has the edge in PT playing CF.
With Wetherholt and Crooks looming someone figures to get dealt??

there is in between. He's become an average player, who doesn't belong in the 3 spot in the lineup. But without better options, that's where we are.

from 0.6 WAR to 1.4 WAR. He's up to "in between"

[Shady]

Wetherholt at 2, Herrera at 3 and Contreras at cleanup looks better to me than the current 2, 3 and 4 currently of IH, AB and WC, just saying.

The Cards just went thru a crucial stretch that determined their fate before the deadline. AB didn't do much during that stretch to help the Cards stay in the hunt. When his bat goes cold, he becomes a liability in the lineup with no other plus tools to help the team with. I don't think JJW will have the same deficits in his overall game.

Right now, Burleson seems like a much more disciplined hitter than Herrera. Herrera's been swinging wildly at some breaking balls. And, Burleson has been taking quite a few close pitches for balls and drawing more walks these days. He's really improved that facet.

Ivan Herrera 10% BB rate, career 9.9% BB rate.
Alex Burleson ~ 7% BB rate, career 6.5% BB rate

again...look up the stats before you make claims.

You must had been away recently. Herrera has been looking shakey against breaking balls out of the strike zone. Burleson hasn't.

[Shady]

Wetherholt at 2, Herrera at 3 and Contreras at cleanup looks better to me than the current 2, 3 and 4 currently of IH, AB and WC, just saying.

The Cards just went thru a crucial stretch that determined their fate before the deadline. AB didn't do much during that stretch to help the Cards stay in the hunt. When his bat goes cold, he becomes a liability in the lineup with no other plus tools to help the team with. I don't think JJW will have the same deficits in his overall game.

Right now, Burleson seems like a much more disciplined hitter than Herrera. Herrera's been swinging wildly at some breaking balls. And, Burleson has been taking quite a few close pitches for balls and drawing more walks these days. He's really improved that facet.

Herrera chase rate: 23.2%
Burleson chase rate: 32.3%

You have Burleson blinders on your eyes. You only see what you want to see with Burleson. And that is Babe Ruth out there swinging a baseball.

Like with Guru, you must had been away recently. Herrera has been looking shakey against breaking balls out of the strike zone. Burleson hasn't.

[craviduce]

Wetherholt at 2, Herrera at 3 and Contreras at cleanup looks better to me than the current 2, 3 and 4 currently of IH, AB and WC, just saying.

The Cards just went thru a crucial stretch that determined their fate before the deadline. AB didn't do much during that stretch to help the Cards stay in the hunt. When his bat goes cold, he becomes a liability in the lineup with no other plus tools to help the team with. I don't think JJW will have the same deficits in his overall game.

Right now, Burleson seems like a much more disciplined hitter than Herrera. Herrera's been swinging wildly at some breaking balls. And, Burleson has been taking quite a few close pitches for balls and drawing more walks these days. He's really improved that facet.

Ivan Herrera 10% BB rate, career 9.9% BB rate.
Alex Burleson ~ 7% BB rate, career 6.5% BB rate

again...look up the stats before you make claims.

You must had been away recently. Herrera has been looking shakey against breaking balls out of the strike zone. Burleson hasn't.

What the hell are you talking about?

Last 7 games for Burleson.... 2 walks, 5 K's.

Last 7 games for Herrera ....5 walks, 5 K's


I think this is Natural. You can't "try" to be this obtuse and stupid

[Shady]

Wetherholt at 2, Herrera at 3 and Contreras at cleanup looks better to me than the current 2, 3 and 4 currently of IH, AB and WC, just saying.

The Cards just went thru a crucial stretch that determined their fate before the deadline. AB didn't do much during that stretch to help the Cards stay in the hunt. When his bat goes cold, he becomes a liability in the lineup with no other plus tools to help the team with. I don't think JJW will have the same deficits in his overall game.

Right now, Burleson seems like a much more disciplined hitter than Herrera. Herrera's been swinging wildly at some breaking balls. And, Burleson has been taking quite a few close pitches for balls and drawing more walks these days. He's really improved that facet.

Ivan Herrera 10% BB rate, career 9.9% BB rate.
Alex Burleson ~ 7% BB rate, career 6.5% BB rate

again...look up the stats before you make claims.

You must had been away recently. Herrera has been looking shakey against breaking balls out of the strike zone. Burleson hasn't.

What the hell are you talking about?

Last 7 games for Burleson.... 2 walks, 5 K's.

Last 7 games for Herrera ....5 walks, 5 K's


I think this is Natural. You can't "try" to be this obtuse and stupid

Herrera has looked like a matador against some breaking balls out of the strike zone lately. That's what I saw. Both Herrera and Burleson need to produce more power.

[JDW]

Wetherholt at 2, Herrera at 3 and Contreras at cleanup looks better to me than the current 2, 3 and 4 currently of IH, AB and WC, just saying.

The Cards just went thru a crucial stretch that determined their fate before the deadline. AB didn't do much during that stretch to help the Cards stay in the hunt. When his bat goes cold, he becomes a liability in the lineup with no other plus tools to help the team with. I don't think JJW will have the same deficits in his overall game.

Right now, Burleson seems like a much more disciplined hitter than Herrera. Herrera's been swinging wildly at some breaking balls. And, Burleson has been taking quite a few close pitches for balls and drawing more walks these days. He's really improved that facet.

Ivan Herrera 10% BB rate, career 9.9% BB rate.
Alex Burleson ~ 7% BB rate, career 6.5% BB rate

again...look up the stats before you make claims.

You must had been away recently. Herrera has been looking shakey against breaking balls out of the strike zone. Burleson hasn't.

What the hell are you talking about?

Last 7 games for Burleson.... 2 walks, 5 K's.

Last 7 games for Herrera ....5 walks, 5 K's


I think this is Natural. You can't "try" to be this obtuse and stupid

Herrera has looked like a matador against some breaking balls lately. That's what I saw. Both Herrera and Burleson need to produce more power.

Herrera's OPS is in the .880 area. That'd be a great number if he can maintain it anywhere in the plus .850 range.