Why Fedde instead of Mikolas

[RichieRichSTL]

Mikolas is more likely to absorb innings.
Mikolas, when bad, is bad. When he's good, he can be pretty decent or better. Today's start wasnt a work of art, but it got the Cardinals what they needed.

Fedde metrics were worse and the wasnt having the decent starts that Miklolas is capable of.

As much as we dont like Mikolas -- he is Mozaliek's personality as a pitcher -- he is a number 5.

What this whole situation shows us is that if Mo had a decent pitcher in Fedde's spot, they'd have a solid shot at a WC spot. As it is they are not in it, but not out. I fear him wanting will put his desire to end out on a high note over what is best. He'd rather have a shot at number 3 WC and lose in 2 games than building for the future.

[Carp4Cy]

Mikolas is more likely to absorb innings.
Mikolas, when bad, is bad. When he's good, he can be pretty decent or better. Today's start wasnt a work of art, but it got the Cardinals what they needed.

Fedde metrics were worse and the wasnt having the decent starts that Miklolas is capable of.

As much as we dont like Mikolas -- he is Mozaliek's personality as a pitcher -- he is a number 5.

What this whole situation shows us is that if Mo had a decent pitcher in Fedde's spot, they'd have a solid shot at a WC spot. As it is they are not in it, but not out. I fear him wanting will put his desire to end out on a high note over what is best. He'd rather have a shot at number 3 WC and lose in 2 games than building for the future.

Why not both? We aren't trading JJW for a rental we have 0% chance of resigning.

What if we traded for someone who will be a FA (and keep our top 5 prospects) then resign them like we did Rolen and McGwire and Holliday? What if they help us win a playoff series this year and win even more games next year? It happened in 2009... It could happen again if we are smart and aggressive.

[cardstatman]

If the Cards had traded Fedde during last offseason, and McGreevy had taken all of Fedde's starts, would the Cards be in a wild card position right now and potentially looking to buy instead of sell?

[Carp4Cy]

If the Cards had traded Fedde during last offseason, and McGreevy had taken all of Fedde's starts, would the Cards be in a wild card position right now and potentially looking to buy instead of sell?

Fedde was quite good thru some point in May. We gave him zero run support in several starts so McGreevey wouldn't have fared any better early.

And they Fedde fell off a cliff like no starter I've seen in a long time. McGreevey at that point could/should have certainly helped us to some extent. Without perfect hindsight as foresight we still probably should have pulled the plug on Fedde sooner as it became clear to everyone but Oli that he was broken.

[RichieRichSTL]

Mikolas is more likely to absorb innings.
Mikolas, when bad, is bad. When he's good, he can be pretty decent or better. Today's start wasnt a work of art, but it got the Cardinals what they needed.

Fedde metrics were worse and the wasnt having the decent starts that Miklolas is capable of.

As much as we dont like Mikolas -- he is Mozaliek's personality as a pitcher -- he is a number 5.

What this whole situation shows us is that if Mo had a decent pitcher in Fedde's spot, they'd have a solid shot at a WC spot. As it is they are not in it, but not out. I fear him wanting will put his desire to end out on a high note over what is best. He'd rather have a shot at number 3 WC and lose in 2 games than building for the future.

Why not both? We aren't trading JJW for a rental we have 0% chance of resigning.

What if we traded for someone who will be a FA (and keep our top 5 prospects) then resign them like we did Rolen and McGwire and Holliday? What if they help us win a playoff series this year and win even more games next year? It happened in 2009... It could happen again if we are smart and aggressive.

Mo is/was never going to replace both Fedde and Mikolas. With Arenado's contract he was never going to do a trade and sign either.

But, he has done the worst of all worlds. Kept a roster that isnt quite good enough to go anywhere, while not flipping expiring assets.

He let a few FAs go while not really getting young players extra bats.

He held onto one asset until it lost all its value and dragged the team down in the process. Mo isnt a particularly reckless POBO, but he isnt that great either. Thats why since 2015 this team has relative to other teams and his payroll has produced mediocre results. He should have been gone after 2023.

[RichieRichSTL]

If the Cards had traded Fedde during last offseason, and McGreevy had taken all of Fedde's starts, would the Cards be in a wild card position right now and potentially looking to buy instead of sell?

Fedde was quite good thru some point in May. We gave him zero run support in several starts so McGreevey wouldn't have fared any better early.

And they Fedde fell off a cliff like no starter I've seen in a long time. McGreevey at that point could/should have certainly helped us to some extent. Without perfect hindsight as foresight we still probably should have pulled the plug on Fedde sooner as it became clear to everyone but Oli that he was broken.

Fedde was more lucky. He was better earlier but he was also giving up many baserunner and missing too few bats. The league was adjusting to him. It was only a matter of time before it caught up with him.
You cant just give up just under a half a walk per inning unless you limit hits, limit long balls and strike out your fair share. Granted, his run support left a lot to be desired.

[ecleme22]

Google Recency Bias

[RichieRichSTL]

Google Recency Bias

I had my doubts with him since last season. He dropped off a little from his White Sox numbers last year. This season he hasnt been as good from the start. He doesnt strike out enough and be gives up too many walks. It was only a matter of time before the batters caught up and made him pay.

[renostl]

Mikolas is more likely to absorb innings.
Mikolas, when bad, is bad. When he's good, he can be pretty decent or better. Today's start wasnt a work of art, but it got the Cardinals what they needed.

Fedde metrics were worse and the wasnt having the decent starts that Miklolas is capable of.

As much as we dont like Mikolas -- he is Mozaliek's personality as a pitcher -- he is a number 5.

What this whole situation shows us is that if Mo had a decent pitcher in Fedde's spot, they'd have a solid shot at a WC spot. As it is they are not in it, but not out. I fear him wanting will put his desire to end out on a high note over what is best. He'd rather have a shot at number 3 WC and lose in 2 games than building for the future.

Miles is an overpaid #5 who occasionally pitches
up.

In his 20 GS he has 11 games with 2 runs or less.
He has 3 games with 3 runs. Then those others.

[RichieRichSTL]

Mikolas is more likely to absorb innings.
Mikolas, when bad, is bad. When he's good, he can be pretty decent or better. Today's start wasnt a work of art, but it got the Cardinals what they needed.

Fedde metrics were worse and the wasnt having the decent starts that Miklolas is capable of.

As much as we dont like Mikolas -- he is Mozaliek's personality as a pitcher -- he is a number 5.

What this whole situation shows us is that if Mo had a decent pitcher in Fedde's spot, they'd have a solid shot at a WC spot. As it is they are not in it, but not out. I fear him wanting will put his desire to end out on a high note over what is best. He'd rather have a shot at number 3 WC and lose in 2 games than building for the future.

Miles is an overpaid #5 who occasionally pitches
up.

In his 20 GS he has 11 games with 2 runs or less.
He has 3 games with 3 runs. Then those others.

Yeah. A 3 run game could be a quality start or subpar

[CorneliusWolfe]

Mikolas is more likely to absorb innings.
Mikolas, when bad, is bad. When he's good, he can be pretty decent or better. Today's start wasnt a work of art, but it got the Cardinals what they needed.

Fedde metrics were worse and the wasnt having the decent starts that Miklolas is capable of.

As much as we dont like Mikolas -- he is Mozaliek's personality as a pitcher -- he is a number 5.

What this whole situation shows us is that if Mo had a decent pitcher in Fedde's spot, they'd have a solid shot at a WC spot. As it is they are not in it, but not out. I fear him wanting will put his desire to end out on a high note over what is best. He'd rather have a shot at number 3 WC and lose in 2 games than building for the future.

Why not both? We aren't trading JJW for a rental we have 0% chance of resigning.

What if we traded for someone who will be a FA (and keep our top 5 prospects) then resign them like we did Rolen and McGwire and Holliday? What if they help us win a playoff series this year and win even more games next year? It happened in 2009... It could happen again if we are smart and aggressive.

You outline a perfectly reasonable scenario that no one seems able to comprehend. It MUST be one way or the other and nothing in between or it’s just a “half-measure”.

If you can improve without mortgaging the future, then it is the responsible and dutiful move.

[rockondlouie]

Mikolas is more likely to absorb innings.
Mikolas, when bad, is bad. When he's good, he can be pretty decent or better. Today's start wasnt a work of art, but it got the Cardinals what they needed.

Fedde metrics were worse and the wasnt having the decent starts that Miklolas is capable of.

As much as we dont like Mikolas -- he is Mozaliek's personality as a pitcher -- he is a number 5.

What this whole situation shows us is that if Mo had a decent pitcher in Fedde's spot, they'd have a solid shot at a WC spot. As it is they are not in it, but not out. I fear him wanting will put his desire to end out on a high note over what is best. He'd rather have a shot at number 3 WC and lose in 2 games than building for the future.

There's your answer RR

Mo idiotically gave him not one but TWO stupid extensions so he'll keep him around till the end before he admits what a dumb move(s) it was and DFA's him.

[RichieRichSTL]

Mikolas is more likely to absorb innings.
Mikolas, when bad, is bad. When he's good, he can be pretty decent or better. Today's start wasnt a work of art, but it got the Cardinals what they needed.

Fedde metrics were worse and the wasnt having the decent starts that Miklolas is capable of.

As much as we dont like Mikolas -- he is Mozaliek's personality as a pitcher -- he is a number 5.

What this whole situation shows us is that if Mo had a decent pitcher in Fedde's spot, they'd have a solid shot at a WC spot. As it is they are not in it, but not out. I fear him wanting will put his desire to end out on a high note over what is best. He'd rather have a shot at number 3 WC and lose in 2 games than building for the future.

There's your answer RR

Mo idiotically gave him not one but TWO stupid extensions so he'll keep him around till the end before he admits what a dumb move(s) it was and DFA's him.

He will keep Mikolas around to the end. I really think he's a Mozaliek favorite. Like Mo he makes excuses or minimizes failure. "Except for a couple of pitches"...

Mo was sp proud of himself when he found Mikolas saying he'd surprise people. He has been emotionally invested in Mikolas to a point where he would never admit that at some point he made a mistake with him. Hoe else do you explain it? Mikolas acts a pitcher who isnt afraid to lose his position. Mo can always say anyway that Mikolas was good at eating innings when not having an 'on' day.

[rockondlouie]

Mikolas is more likely to absorb innings.
Mikolas, when bad, is bad. When he's good, he can be pretty decent or better. Today's start wasnt a work of art, but it got the Cardinals what they needed.

Fedde metrics were worse and the wasnt having the decent starts that Miklolas is capable of.

As much as we dont like Mikolas -- he is Mozaliek's personality as a pitcher -- he is a number 5.

What this whole situation shows us is that if Mo had a decent pitcher in Fedde's spot, they'd have a solid shot at a WC spot. As it is they are not in it, but not out. I fear him wanting will put his desire to end out on a high note over what is best. He'd rather have a shot at number 3 WC and lose in 2 games than building for the future.

There's your answer RR

Mo idiotically gave him not one but TWO stupid extensions so he'll keep him around till the end before he admits what a dumb move(s) it was and DFA's him.

He will keep Mikolas around to the end. I really think he's a Mozaliek favorite. Like Mo he makes excuses or minimizes failure. "Except for a couple of pitches"...

Mo was sp proud of himself when he found Mikolas saying he'd surprise people. He has been emotionally invested in Mikolas to a point where he would never admit that at some point he made a mistake with him. Hoe else do you explain it? Mikolas acts a pitcher who isnt afraid to lose his position. Mo can always say anyway that Mikolas was good at eating innings when not having an 'on' day.

Bingo!