Would you make this blockbuster trade?

[CCard]

In my mind anyway, Winn isn't going anywhere. Would you all trade Ozzie Smith? Players like Winn don't come around often. Very hard to replace. Outfielders are a dime a dozen. Much easier to replace. That being said, pitching is the Cards major Achilles heel. They absolutely must get better ann that's already started with the departure of Fedde. Mikolas to follow. Move Pallante to the bullpen where he belongs. Starting rotation of Gray, Libby, McGreevy, Good free agent starter, and maybe Mathews from AAA. Then fill in with the next up from AAA as needed. They simply must improve their starting rotation and it wouldn't hurt to upgrade their bullpen also.

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R. Helsley
+
M. Winn

for

A. Pages
19 HR
63 RBI
.285 .326 .489 .815


-M. Betts goes back to the OF to replace Pages, Dodgers get a great defensive SS and great bullpen piece.

-Then they sign K. Tucker in the offseason to replace Pages.

-While C. Bloom gets the young, cost controlled (not a free agent until 2031) righthanded hitter he needs for the OF and he slides JJW in at SS 2026 opening day.

-WIN-WIN for both teams!

Get er' done.

Not Winn. Change the name and we are good.

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Great glove, average at best hitter and can't steal bases.

If he's the fifth-sixth best player, then you've got a WS worthy team.

I'm fine dealing Winn in this deal or if Bloom can find a #2 starter w/control

As you know, my Winn comparison to Edgar. Once he matures, I see him as a cornerstone.

He is light hitting, but I think once he gets the right side down he will hit for average. As for stealing bases, such a small part of the make up.

Respect that BDog, as you know I just don't see it.

SB's aren't a small part for a player like Winn.

To be an offensive force he'd need to steal 20-30 bases a year.

Edgar stole over 20 bases seven times (high 41 SB's).

Winn will also never drive in runs like Edgar who fell 77 shy of 1,000 for his career (even hit 100 RBI's in 2003)!

Edgar also had a career .343 OB%, Winn's thus far is .306.

Edgar won two Gold Gloves, Winn has a shot at that many and maybe even more.

Edgar was a five time all-star, I doubt Winn makes more than one (if that).

JMO BDog

But I don't see Edgar in Winn.

Yea my Pallante adventure isn’t going well, hope my Winn assessment is better.

But. Here is my direct question just for you, if he did develop to Edgar status, then do we have a building block, or do you throw Nl that level of maturity comes to late.

If he stays here, then I hope Winn has ten GG's!

And if he were to mutate into Edgar, then heck yea he's a building block!

One more thing about that comp BDog.

Edgar was a big man (200 lbs) and held up in our brutal summer heat right into the playoffs.

Masyn is a slight man (he may start STing at 180 lbs but he's down ten plus by the all-star break), he had a really good August last year but melted in September (.196 .234 .382 .616).

I'm watching to see if it happens again this season, let's hope not.

If the Cardinals make the playoffs, then we'd need him strong in Sept & Oct!

Ozzie Smith was even slighter and held up fine in the heat here. On turf. And I'm not saying at all Winn will end up with Ozzie's career. But he looks like the closest thing to Ozzie on D we've seen here since then but with a far stronger arm. We shall see how he develops as a hitter. Health is a concern.

[rockondlouie]

R. Helsley
+
M. Winn

for

A. Pages
19 HR
63 RBI
.285 .326 .489 .815


-M. Betts goes back to the OF to replace Pages, Dodgers get a great defensive SS and great bullpen piece.

-Then they sign K. Tucker in the offseason to replace Pages.

-While C. Bloom gets the young, cost controlled (not a free agent until 2031) righthanded hitter he needs for the OF and he slides JJW in at SS 2026 opening day.

-WIN-WIN for both teams!

Get er' done.

Not Winn. Change the name and we are good.

.

Great glove, average at best hitter and can't steal bases.

If he's the fifth-sixth best player, then you've got a WS worthy team.

I'm fine dealing Winn in this deal or if Bloom can find a #2 starter w/control

As you know, my Winn comparison to Edgar. Once he matures, I see him as a cornerstone.

He is light hitting, but I think once he gets the right side down he will hit for average. As for stealing bases, such a small part of the make up.

Respect that BDog, as you know I just don't see it.

SB's aren't a small part for a player like Winn.

To be an offensive force he'd need to steal 20-30 bases a year.

Edgar stole over 20 bases seven times (high 41 SB's).

Winn will also never drive in runs like Edgar who fell 77 shy of 1,000 for his career (even hit 100 RBI's in 2003)!

Edgar also had a career .343 OB%, Winn's thus far is .306.

Edgar won two Gold Gloves, Winn has a shot at that many and maybe even more.

Edgar was a five time all-star, I doubt Winn makes more than one (if that).

JMO BDog

But I don't see Edgar in Winn.

Yea my Pallante adventure isn’t going well, hope my Winn assessment is better.

But. Here is my direct question just for you, if he did develop to Edgar status, then do we have a building block, or do you throw Nl that level of maturity comes to late.

If he stays here, then I hope Winn has ten GG's!

And if he were to mutate into Edgar, then heck yea he's a building block!

One more thing about that comp BDog.

Edgar was a big man (200 lbs) and held up in our brutal summer heat right into the playoffs.

Masyn is a slight man (he may start STing at 180 lbs but he's down ten plus by the all-star break), he had a really good August last year but melted in September (.196 .234 .382 .616).

I'm watching to see if it happens again this season, let's hope not.

If the Cardinals make the playoffs, then we'd need him strong in Sept & Oct!

Ozzie Smith was even slighter and held up fine in the heat here. On turf. And I'm not saying at all Winn will end up with Ozzie's career. But he looks like the closest thing to Ozzie on D we've seen here since then but with a far stronger arm. We shall see how he develops as a hitter. Health is a concern.

Ozzie did indeed hold up, but Ozzie was also a health nut who kept his weight up and always kept himself in tip-top shape.

Let's hope Winn's first full summer (2024) here taught him something about conditioning.

Oli has to give him getting more days off in Aug/Sept to keep him strong too.

As a Texas kid, the heat shouldn't be a problem for him,

But too much playing time and not enough days off (again, that's on Oli) really ran him down last Sept.

[An Old Friend]

It’s a little difficult to take rock’s player assessments seriously when he continuously characterizes a player like Juan Soto as injury prone.