8 moves that led to Chaim Bloom’s eventual firing from the Red Sox

[imadangman]

What stands out in this article is his reliance on building from within and sticking with his players at the deadline. He did not shore up the team at the deadline in either 2022 or 2023. Whether that was his call or the owners who knows. But, the posters on this board demand action. They demand not letting prospects lose value etc. Bloom's history is that of someone who builds from within and builds deliberately. That might work over the long term. But, in the short term, it is not going to produce huge results. That makes me suspect that 2026 will be the real runway/rebuild year since MO refused to go totally down that path in 2025. If yes, Bloom may become unpopular in a hurry...

Maybe Bloom will be a better evaluator than Mo, or at least he just won't be behind the times as a baseball man. So maybe a similar system with better results. Considering the 2027 CBA issue also that's another reason it does seem 2026 might be another year to let the core grow with players like Wetherholt coming in. By 2027 they should really know what the team needs are. A lot of franchises around baseball have figured out ways to condense the cycle between rebuilding and contending, to where some of these teams can turn the page real quick. The Padres were supposed to be rebuilding after they dealt Soto, they ended up with a better record the next season. The Astros dealt Tucker and are winning with the players they got back. These teams were decisive and made the tough moves, not afraid to refresh the roster. The Cardinals have held onto Fedde and Helsley and look what it cost them. I guess the season plans pivoted once they realized they'd be stuck with Arenado. A few days ago there was a thread revisiting the 2023 deadline haul. What would we be reviewing if we managed to unload Arenado at that deadline? They probably had a good shot at it. Of course it's all revisionist history and i understand this franchise was never going to fire sale like that. But we're talking about a process carrying out to 2027 that could have been ripped off at the 2023 deadline.

[thetank2]

https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-re ... -bogaerts/


Some of you think he's some kind of savior. He failed in Boston, let's see if he can be any better in St Louis. I'm hoping he is but betting that he isn't. If Dewitt loosens the purse strings then maybe he can succeed.

I honestly don't think he failed as new GM. He built the farm really well. He faced the obstacle of an Impatient Owner, Impatient Media, Impatient Fan Base. He made mistakes reacting to that barrage

In a rebuild/reset...I think he'll do well. We'll see how it plays out. But I'm loving the changes he's made to the minors and all the extra coaching he's brought in down there since 2024.

You think he will do well? Our problem is SP. Reset or not it's SPs. Mo in the past managed to cobble up enough to have winning seasons.

[CCard]

Some of you think he's the next messiah

Goofy thing to say.

Why does anyone’s optimism bother you when they are moving on from a guy who torpedoed the franchise and moving to one of the brighter and more analytically inclined minds in the game?

Personally I think Mo gets savaged too much. He is the scapegoat when ownership is really to blame. That being said, there are many who gleefully proclaim that Bloom is the answer to all our prayers. I'm merely saying "show me".

Maybe show us who they should have hired instead?

I don't think Bloom is the savior, but he posseses some qualities that our organization was very much lacking in. He's helped develop great farm systems in both Tampa and Boston. The Betts fiasco was him basically being handed a grenade with the pin pulled. You could argue he made other mistakes, and hopefully he's learned from them.

I'm more optimistic now than I've been in a few years. We'll see what happens over the next 3-5 years.

Well, Tampa was a good job I guess. He got the benefit of some losing there. I mean, what has Tampa ever really won? As for Boston, well, he's going to be faced with a smaller payroll he in St Louis. So, we'll see if they wind up being perpetual losers or not. As for another GM? I might see if I could entice someone from another team that has been successful? Maybe from a division rival? One thing is for sure, he's here now so he'll be given lots of leash.

[CCard]

https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-re ... -bogaerts/


Some of you think he's some kind of savior. He failed in Boston, let's see if he can be any better in St Louis. I'm hoping he is but betting that he isn't. If Dewitt loosens the purse strings then maybe he can succeed.
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The first one was a dumb criticism he had to dump payroll and had to attach price to betts in order to get rid of him which hurt the return

Most of it is dumb. It mentions missing out on a guy like Dansby Swanson for starters. Not a bad player but not exactly a world beater here. Trading Hunter Renfroe(lol) not keeping Benintendi(lol) and even Xander Bogaerts hasn’t been a world beater here, after a strong first season in SD his next 2 years there have been very pedestrian and he’s 32 with plenty more years left on that deal. None of those guys would be moving the needle much now with the Sox nor have they years prior. Not to mention multiple times in this article it was mentioned he was hamstrung by higher ups.

Bloom made his mistakes, nobody has ever questioned that. But he left that organization in terrific shape farm system wise. He was thrown to the wolves immediately with the Betts fiasco, was expected to turn things around quickly and arguably the most unforgiving and high pressure city in all of sports. In a routinely juggernaut division.

The guy has a clear knack for developing young talent and people just want to dig up 2 year old articles to protect Mo.

It’s sad

Some of you think he's the next messiah and that clearly isn't the case. He might be great, I don't know but clearly he's saddled with the same constraints that got him fired in Boston. As you all have pointed out, he was directed to trade Betts and he got fired for it among other reasons. Now, years later, he's going to be faced with an even smaller payroll even as contracts spiral upward. Listen, I hope he works miracles, and maybe he will. He certainly will get a chance to. It's just that you all in all probability are setting yourselves up for disappointment. Ownership will make the difference. He Dewitt loosens the purse strings things will get significantly better. If he doesn't? I predict in a few years the same people that are championing him as the next Branch Rickey will be calling him names and wanting his head on a spike.

Nobody has thought that. Not once. What people have thought is that he possesses some solid qualities that give us some hope again, with the most important one not being the bow tied ret*rd that flat out dismantled this team into complete irrelevance

Maybe he succeeds, maybe he doesn’t. But for the first time in a few years there’s reason to be optimistic about the team going forward and that for some reason really bothers the Mo cult.

It’s weird

How many championships has he won. How many has Mo won? Hmmm.... Merely reiterating that the grass isn't always greener.

You’re grasping at anything you can at this point. TLR was the architect for that championship, not Mo. which clearly bothered him. There’s a reason the managers he’s hired since total have a combined 0 games managed.

LOL....TLR, the on field manager was the architect for the championship. You're funny.

LaRussa told him to trade the troubled outfielder Rasmus and orchestrated who he got back. Apparently that escaped your grasp cc.

If TLR was handling personnel then what was MO's job? As I said, which apparently you can't grasp, a manager can make suggestions but the GM and ownership decide who plays and who doesn't. Per MO's own words, and I paraphrase, "I wouldn't be comfortable with a manager deciding who plays and who doesn't". You cheapen Jocketty and MO with your scenario of TLR running the show.

[CCard]

https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-re ... -bogaerts/


Some of you think he's some kind of savior. He failed in Boston, let's see if he can be any better in St Louis. I'm hoping he is but betting that he isn't. If Dewitt loosens the purse strings then maybe he can succeed.

The first one was a dumb criticism he had to dump payroll and had to attach price to betts in order to get rid of him which hurt the return

Most of it is dumb. It mentions missing out on a guy like Dansby Swanson for starters. Not a bad player but not exactly a world beater here. Trading Hunter Renfroe(lol) not keeping Benintendi(lol) and even Xander Bogaerts hasn’t been a world beater here, after a strong first season in SD his next 2 years there have been very pedestrian and he’s 32 with plenty more years left on that deal. None of those guys would be moving the needle much now with the Sox nor have they years prior. Not to mention multiple times in this article it was mentioned he was hamstrung by higher ups.

Bloom made his mistakes, nobody has ever questioned that. But he left that organization in terrific shape farm system wise. He was thrown to the wolves immediately with the Betts fiasco, was expected to turn things around quickly and arguably the most unforgiving and high pressure city in all of sports. In a routinely juggernaut division.

The guy has a clear knack for developing young talent and people just want to dig up 2 year old articles to protect Mo.

It’s sad

Some of you think he's the next messiah and that clearly isn't the case. He might be great, I don't know but clearly he's saddled with the same constraints that got him fired in Boston. As you all have pointed out, he was directed to trade Betts and he got fired for it among other reasons. Now, years later, he's going to be faced with an even smaller payroll even as contracts spiral upward. Listen, I hope he works miracles, and maybe he will. He certainly will get a chance to. It's just that you all in all probability are setting yourselves up for disappointment. Ownership will make the difference. He Dewitt loosens the purse strings things will get significantly better. If he doesn't? I predict in a few years the same people that are championing him as the next Branch Rickey will be calling him names and wanting his head on a spike.

Nobody has thought that. Not once. What people have thought is that he possesses some solid qualities that give us some hope again, with the most important one not being the bow tied ret*rd that flat out dismantled this team into complete irrelevance

Maybe he succeeds, maybe he doesn’t. But for the first time in a few years there’s reason to be optimistic about the team going forward and that for some reason really bothers the Mo cult.

It’s weird

How many championships has he won. How many has Mo won? Hmmm.... Merely reiterating that the grass isn't always greener.

You’re grasping at anything you can at this point. TLR was the architect for that championship, not Mo. which clearly bothered him. There’s a reason the managers he’s hired since total have a combined 0 games managed.

LOL....TLR, the on field manager was the architect for the championship. You're funny.

Yes.

You think Mo made the decision to run Rasmus out of town?

You’re funny

Do I think TLR had input in decisions? Sure. I'm sure they asked his opinion, but ultimately MO and Dewitt decides who plays and who leaves. To suggest that a manager has that kind of power is backward thinking from a bygone era. By and large the biggest input comes from the owner. Everyone else gives suggestions.

[An Old Friend]

You think he will do well? Our problem is SP. Reset or not it's SPs. Mo in the past managed to cobble up enough to have winning seasons.

Is it perhaps lost on you why Bloom brought in Matt Pierpont from Seattle and Rob Cerfolio from Cleveland?

[AnExParrot]

From Bernie:

I’m sure many Cardinals fans are wondering why Bloom lost his job in Boston. Here’s my somewhat flippant answer: I don’t know but you could ask Theo Epstein, Ben Cherington and Dave Dombrowski. All were either run off (Epstein) or fired (Cherington and Dombrowski) by Boston’s tempestuous and fickle ownership group led by John Henry.

That’s quite remarkable considering that the Red Sox won multiple World Series with Epstein, Cherington and Dombrowski in charge of baseball ops. Bloom was hired to lead the baseball department in October of 2019 and lasted until his firing on Sept. 14 of the 2023 season.

Henry wanted to create the New England version of the Tampa Bay Rays – a model of superb player development, a lower payroll, and highly efficient roster construction. Bloom was the ideal choice. He had built a low-payroll hellion at Tampa Bay.

“He possesses the essential qualities to establish a sustainable baseball operation throughout the organization with an emphasis on long-term success at the major league level,” Red Sox chairman Tom Werner said at the time of Bloom’s appointment.

Bloom soon discovered that he was working for an owner who changed his mind depending on the way the wind was blowing at Fenway Park. That includes the hot air directed at him by yapping fans and media.

Bloom inherited a barren Boston farm system that ranked near the bottom of the MLB rankings and improved it to 15th by the time of his dismissal.

Ownership wanted to reduce payroll to avoid higher financial penalties in luxury-tax prison. When Bloom took over, he had to deal with a payroll clogged by some $550 million in long-term commitments to pitchers David Price, Nathan Eovaldi and Chris Sale plus designated hitter J.D. Martinez.

Bloom attempted to keep outfielder Mookie Betts in Boston with a generous contract extension, but Mookie declined. This did not go over well with the owners. Bloom traded Betts to the Dodgers in a deal that turned into an embarrassment for the Red Sox. Bloom got the blame, but it isn’t that simple.

Betts signed a 12-year, $365-million contract to stay with the Dodgers. Do we really think Boston’s owners wanted to spend that much? Bloom was hardly an independent lone wolf who made the decision all by himself.

But Bloom constantly received mixed messages from the owner. Spend. Cut payroll. Spend. Cut payroll. Spend. No. Wait. Cut Payroll. Go spend. Make trades and go all-in. No. Hold on. Don’t do that. Don’t spend.

Esteemed baseball analyst Joe Sheehan wrote about Boston’s toxic ownership style in a recent newsletter filing.

“Boston’s four titles in 15 years have served to mask considerable instability and even chaos in how the Sox have been run under John Henry,” Sheehan wrote. “Theo Epstein was more or less run out of town by ownership after 2011, and manager Terry Francona was let go with him, despite two World Series in eight years together. Ben Cherington inherited the GM job and lost a season to ownership’s foisting Bobby Valentine on him. In Cherington’s second year, with John Farrell managing, the Sox won the World Series. Not two years after that, though, Cherington was let go, and then Farrell followed after the 2017 season.

“Now, not a year after winning a World Series title, Dombrowski (was) gone. I understand the argument that it’s worked, given the 2013 and 2018 championships, but we don’t talk about John Henry like he’s a lost Steinbrenner cousin, and maybe we should.

“Henry moved quickly to replace Dombrowski with Bloom … in the way that swapping out Cherington for Dombrowski was a statement about what Henry wanted the Red Sox to be, swapping out Dombrowski for Bloom — after two years of $240 million competitive balance tax payrolls — was much the same.

“There are many who deem Bloom’s time in Boston to be a failure. Not only am I not one of them, I think Henry should be embarrassed by not having the courage of his convictions.”

Sheehan added: “Bloom inherited a team that had the highest payroll in the sport and an owner that didn’t want that to be the case any more. The Red Sox had been unable to sign Mookie Betts to an extension, leaving Bloom with an impossible task while he was still figuring out where the bathrooms were.”

R.J. Anderson of CBS Sports noted the difficulty of Bloom’s assignment at Fenway. “League sources who have spoke to CBS Sports noted that (Bloom) had to deal with some rough circumstances, including inheriting outdated infrastructure and a cabal of tenured assistant general managers.”

(Translation: back stabbers.)

tank and CCard have to put their fingers in their ears any time the reality of Bloom's time with the Red Sox is brought up.

[AnExParrot]

https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-re ... -bogaerts/


Some of you think he's some kind of savior. He failed in Boston, let's see if he can be any better in St Louis. I'm hoping he is but betting that he isn't. If Dewitt loosens the purse strings then maybe he can succeed.

I suspect he will have learned much from his first experience. The only real mistake I saw in the 6 items was paying Story $140M.

Trading Betts was a mistake, I'd argue. Maybe he could have petitioned ownership to keep Betts more forcefully. I don't know the entire situation so I really can't speak to it, but looking at Betts talent, there are some players you just don't trade. Maybe it wasn't his fault

You don't know the entire situation and can't really speak to it, but you just did. Your mind is made up, even though you admit you don't know all the details. Maybe is wasn't his fault? There's plenty of information regarding Bloom's time with the Red Sox, but you've chosen to ignore it.

[Banner29]

https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-re ... -bogaerts/


Some of you think he's some kind of savior. He failed in Boston, let's see if he can be any better in St Louis. I'm hoping he is but betting that he isn't. If Dewitt loosens the purse strings then maybe he can succeed.

The first one was a dumb criticism he had to dump payroll and had to attach price to betts in order to get rid of him which hurt the return

Most of it is dumb. It mentions missing out on a guy like Dansby Swanson for starters. Not a bad player but not exactly a world beater here. Trading Hunter Renfroe(lol) not keeping Benintendi(lol) and even Xander Bogaerts hasn’t been a world beater here, after a strong first season in SD his next 2 years there have been very pedestrian and he’s 32 with plenty more years left on that deal. None of those guys would be moving the needle much now with the Sox nor have they years prior. Not to mention multiple times in this article it was mentioned he was hamstrung by higher ups.

Bloom made his mistakes, nobody has ever questioned that. But he left that organization in terrific shape farm system wise. He was thrown to the wolves immediately with the Betts fiasco, was expected to turn things around quickly and arguably the most unforgiving and high pressure city in all of sports. In a routinely juggernaut division.

The guy has a clear knack for developing young talent and people just want to dig up 2 year old articles to protect Mo.

It’s sad

Some of you think he's the next messiah and that clearly isn't the case. He might be great, I don't know but clearly he's saddled with the same constraints that got him fired in Boston. As you all have pointed out, he was directed to trade Betts and he got fired for it among other reasons. Now, years later, he's going to be faced with an even smaller payroll even as contracts spiral upward. Listen, I hope he works miracles, and maybe he will. He certainly will get a chance to. It's just that you all in all probability are setting yourselves up for disappointment. Ownership will make the difference. He Dewitt loosens the purse strings things will get significantly better. If he doesn't? I predict in a few years the same people that are championing him as the next Branch Rickey will be calling him names and wanting his head on a spike.

Nobody has thought that. Not once. What people have thought is that he possesses some solid qualities that give us some hope again, with the most important one not being the bow tied ret*rd that flat out dismantled this team into complete irrelevance

Maybe he succeeds, maybe he doesn’t. But for the first time in a few years there’s reason to be optimistic about the team going forward and that for some reason really bothers the Mo cult.

It’s weird

How many championships has he won. How many has Mo won? Hmmm.... Merely reiterating that the grass isn't always greener.

You’re grasping at anything you can at this point. TLR was the architect for that championship, not Mo. which clearly bothered him. There’s a reason the managers he’s hired since total have a combined 0 games managed.

LOL....TLR, the on field manager was the architect for the championship. You're funny.

Yes.

You think Mo made the decision to run Rasmus out of town?

You’re funny

Do I think TLR had input in decisions? Sure. I'm sure they asked his opinion, but ultimately MO and Dewitt decides who plays and who leaves. To suggest that a manager has that kind of power is backward thinking from a bygone era. By and large the biggest input comes from the owner. Everyone else gives suggestions.

TLR has ALOT of input……As in do this now. I’m a HOF manager with credibility so don’t question me.

Hence why the 3 managers after him had zero credibility and one even got fired for trying to have input……

This isn’t difficult, you’re just making it that way.

[thetank2]

You think he will do well? Our problem is SP. Reset or not it's SPs. Mo in the past managed to cobble up enough to have winning seasons.

Is it perhaps lost on you why Bloom brought in Matt Pierpont from Seattle and Rob Cerfolio from Cleveland?

By adding staff doesn't mean you will get results. A certain amount of luck is necessary. It's different than 25 years ago when we traded for Edmonds, Renteria, Rolen, SPs and got lucky drafting Pujols. We tried with Arenado and Goldy. Didn't get lucky in the playoffs lately. Got lucky in 2006 and 2011.

Good luck Bloom. I doubt he averages 90-72 for 15 years.

[ScotchMIrish]

We need a GM who can do more with less due to limitations with the new TV contract and the related matter of mediocre attendance.

Maybe Bloom is that guy. The good news about baseball is they play the games and we find out.

[Banner29]

You think he will do well? Our problem is SP. Reset or not it's SPs. Mo in the past managed to cobble up enough to have winning seasons.

Is it perhaps lost on you why Bloom brought in Matt Pierpont from Seattle and Rob Cerfolio from Cleveland?

By adding staff doesn't mean you will get results. A certain amount of luck is necessary. It's different than 25 years ago when we traded for Edmonds, Renteria, Rolen, SPs and got lucky drafting Pujols. We tried with Arenado and Goldy. Didn't get lucky in the playoffs lately. Got lucky in 2006 and 2011.

Good luck Bloom. I doubt he averages 90-72 for 15 years.

What a weird response. And one that makes zero sense whatsoever.

[thetank2]

https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-re ... -bogaerts/


Some of you think he's some kind of savior. He failed in Boston, let's see if he can be any better in St Louis. I'm hoping he is but betting that he isn't. If Dewitt loosens the purse strings then maybe he can succeed.

The first one was a dumb criticism he had to dump payroll and had to attach price to betts in order to get rid of him which hurt the return

Most of it is dumb. It mentions missing out on a guy like Dansby Swanson for starters. Not a bad player but not exactly a world beater here. Trading Hunter Renfroe(lol) not keeping Benintendi(lol) and even Xander Bogaerts hasn’t been a world beater here, after a strong first season in SD his next 2 years there have been very pedestrian and he’s 32 with plenty more years left on that deal. None of those guys would be moving the needle much now with the Sox nor have they years prior. Not to mention multiple times in this article it was mentioned he was hamstrung by higher ups.

Bloom made his mistakes, nobody has ever questioned that. But he left that organization in terrific shape farm system wise. He was thrown to the wolves immediately with the Betts fiasco, was expected to turn things around quickly and arguably the most unforgiving and high pressure city in all of sports. In a routinely juggernaut division.

The guy has a clear knack for developing young talent and people just want to dig up 2 year old articles to protect Mo.

It’s sad

Some of you think he's the next messiah and that clearly isn't the case. He might be great, I don't know but clearly he's saddled with the same constraints that got him fired in Boston. As you all have pointed out, he was directed to trade Betts and he got fired for it among other reasons. Now, years later, he's going to be faced with an even smaller payroll even as contracts spiral upward. Listen, I hope he works miracles, and maybe he will. He certainly will get a chance to. It's just that you all in all probability are setting yourselves up for disappointment. Ownership will make the difference. He Dewitt loosens the purse strings things will get significantly better. If he doesn't? I predict in a few years the same people that are championing him as the next Branch Rickey will be calling him names and wanting his head on a spike.

Nobody has thought that. Not once. What people have thought is that he possesses some solid qualities that give us some hope again, with the most important one not being the bow tied ret*rd that flat out dismantled this team into complete irrelevance

Maybe he succeeds, maybe he doesn’t. But for the first time in a few years there’s reason to be optimistic about the team going forward and that for some reason really bothers the Mo cult.

It’s weird

How many championships has he won. How many has Mo won? Hmmm.... Merely reiterating that the grass isn't always greener.

You’re grasping at anything you can at this point. TLR was the architect for that championship, not Mo. which clearly bothered him. There’s a reason the managers he’s hired since total have a combined 0 games managed.

LOL....TLR, the on field manager was the architect for the championship. You're funny.

Yes.

You think Mo made the decision to run Rasmus out of town?

You’re funny

Do I think TLR had input in decisions? Sure. I'm sure they asked his opinion, but ultimately MO and Dewitt decides who plays and who leaves. To suggest that a manager has that kind of power is backward thinking from a bygone era. By and large the biggest input comes from the owner. Everyone else gives suggestions.

TLR has ALOT of input……As in do this now. I’m a HOF manager with credibility so don’t question me.

Hence why the 3 managers after him had zero credibility and one even got fired for trying to have input……

This isn’t difficult, you’re just making it that way.

I've been on here when CTers regularly lambasted Don Tony. He couldn't win again after 2006. Well 2006 required a lot of fortunate events such as the Astros.missing out and the Mets choking. Then a temporary decline. Tony was bad with young players.

So no I don't think we have baseball experts on here. We just have Monday QBs who are going to 2nd guess everything but don't know that there requires a lot of events to go right especially with all of the teams making the Post season. That's baseball.

Good luck Bloom. I'm worried about the risk of signing a big contract like a Story or some disastrous SP to $200 million. For some reason the number of disastrous contracts like the ones that the Angels have and the Mets isn't well publicized.

[thetank2]

You think he will do well? Our problem is SP. Reset or not it's SPs. Mo in the past managed to cobble up enough to have winning seasons.

Is it perhaps lost on you why Bloom brought in Matt Pierpont from Seattle and Rob Cerfolio from Cleveland?

By adding staff doesn't mean you will get results. A certain amount of luck is necessary. It's different than 25 years ago when we traded for Edmonds, Renteria, Rolen, SPs and got lucky drafting Pujols. We tried with Arenado and Goldy. Didn't get lucky in the playoffs lately. Got lucky in 2006 and 2011.

Good luck Bloom. I doubt he averages 90-72 for 15 years.

What a weird response. And one that makes zero sense whatsoever.

Weird response? My point is with three rounds or so of playoffs the best team isn't always winning it all. You need things to go your way.

[Banner29]

https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-re ... -bogaerts/


Some of you think he's some kind of savior. He failed in Boston, let's see if he can be any better in St Louis. I'm hoping he is but betting that he isn't. If Dewitt loosens the purse strings then maybe he can succeed.

The first one was a dumb criticism he had to dump payroll and had to attach price to betts in order to get rid of him which hurt the return

Most of it is dumb. It mentions missing out on a guy like Dansby Swanson for starters. Not a bad player but not exactly a world beater here. Trading Hunter Renfroe(lol) not keeping Benintendi(lol) and even Xander Bogaerts hasn’t been a world beater here, after a strong first season in SD his next 2 years there have been very pedestrian and he’s 32 with plenty more years left on that deal. None of those guys would be moving the needle much now with the Sox nor have they years prior. Not to mention multiple times in this article it was mentioned he was hamstrung by higher ups.

Bloom made his mistakes, nobody has ever questioned that. But he left that organization in terrific shape farm system wise. He was thrown to the wolves immediately with the Betts fiasco, was expected to turn things around quickly and arguably the most unforgiving and high pressure city in all of sports. In a routinely juggernaut division.

The guy has a clear knack for developing young talent and people just want to dig up 2 year old articles to protect Mo.

It’s sad

Some of you think he's the next messiah and that clearly isn't the case. He might be great, I don't know but clearly he's saddled with the same constraints that got him fired in Boston. As you all have pointed out, he was directed to trade Betts and he got fired for it among other reasons. Now, years later, he's going to be faced with an even smaller payroll even as contracts spiral upward. Listen, I hope he works miracles, and maybe he will. He certainly will get a chance to. It's just that you all in all probability are setting yourselves up for disappointment. Ownership will make the difference. He Dewitt loosens the purse strings things will get significantly better. If he doesn't? I predict in a few years the same people that are championing him as the next Branch Rickey will be calling him names and wanting his head on a spike.

Nobody has thought that. Not once. What people have thought is that he possesses some solid qualities that give us some hope again, with the most important one not being the bow tied ret*rd that flat out dismantled this team into complete irrelevance

Maybe he succeeds, maybe he doesn’t. But for the first time in a few years there’s reason to be optimistic about the team going forward and that for some reason really bothers the Mo cult.

It’s weird

How many championships has he won. How many has Mo won? Hmmm.... Merely reiterating that the grass isn't always greener.

You’re grasping at anything you can at this point. TLR was the architect for that championship, not Mo. which clearly bothered him. There’s a reason the managers he’s hired since total have a combined 0 games managed.

LOL....TLR, the on field manager was the architect for the championship. You're funny.

Yes.

You think Mo made the decision to run Rasmus out of town?

You’re funny

Do I think TLR had input in decisions? Sure. I'm sure they asked his opinion, but ultimately MO and Dewitt decides who plays and who leaves. To suggest that a manager has that kind of power is backward thinking from a bygone era. By and large the biggest input comes from the owner. Everyone else gives suggestions.

TLR has ALOT of input……As in do this now. I’m a HOF manager with credibility so don’t question me.

Hence why the 3 managers after him had zero credibility and one even got fired for trying to have input……

This isn’t difficult, you’re just making it that way.

I've been on here when CTers regularly lambasted Don Tony. He couldn't win again after 2006. Well 2006 required a lot of fortunate events such as the Astros.missing out and the Mets choking. Then a temporary decline. Tony was bad with young players.

So no I don't think we have baseball experts on here. We just have Monday QBs who are going to 2nd guess everything but don't know that there requires a lot of events to go right especially with all of the teams making the Post season. That's baseball.

Good luck Bloom. I'm worried about the risk of signing a big contract like a Story or some disastrous SP to $200 million. For some reason the number of disastrous contracts like the ones that the Angels have and the Mets isn't well publicized.

What pitcher did he sign for 200 million?

[Banner29]

You think he will do well? Our problem is SP. Reset or not it's SPs. Mo in the past managed to cobble up enough to have winning seasons.

Is it perhaps lost on you why Bloom brought in Matt Pierpont from Seattle and Rob Cerfolio from Cleveland?

By adding staff doesn't mean you will get results. A certain amount of luck is necessary. It's different than 25 years ago when we traded for Edmonds, Renteria, Rolen, SPs and got lucky drafting Pujols. We tried with Arenado and Goldy. Didn't get lucky in the playoffs lately. Got lucky in 2006 and 2011.

Good luck Bloom. I doubt he averages 90-72 for 15 years.

What a weird response. And one that makes zero sense whatsoever.

Weird response? My point is with three rounds or so of playoffs the best team isn't always winning it all. You need things to go your way.

What does that have 2 do with blooms hiring of 2 bright young mind that have already shown tremendous success in what they do?