40 Man

[woofy25]

One of the things that Bloom and Cerfolio can look at closely is the 40 man roster. It needs to be shed of guys who have no real future in the organization.

Fedde
Munoz
Mikolas
Roycroft
Baker
Fermin

Fermin should get a look but I don’t think they’re gonna move anyone at the deadline that would give him a lane for playing time.

The other 5, yea, all gone.

Fermin seems like a useful Utility player, but seems redundant with Sagasse (sp?) around

Fermin is a better baseball player today than Saggese is, though.

No

Better baserunner
Better bat to ball
Better plate discipline
Better defense

Saggese is only 23 years old. Fermin is 26.

So Saggese is better at being younger.

What else?

Who’s better today doesn’t matter. Who is projected to be better whenever the Cardinals expect to be truly competitive again? I’m assuming that will be sometime after the lockout. IDK the answer, but that should be what drives the decision if theyre looking to move one of the two.

[Charles King]

King's problem could be over use. Oki i think uses him too much. His last outting Oli tried to get another inning

[Cranny]

One of the things that Bloom and Cerfolio can look at closely is the 40 man roster. It needs to be shed of guys who have no real future in the organization.

Fedde
Munoz
Mikolas
Roycroft
Baker
Fermin

Fermin should get a look but I don’t think they’re gonna move anyone at the deadline that would give him a lane for playing time.

The other 5, yea, all gone.

Fermin seems like a useful Utility player, but seems redundant with Sagasse (sp?) around

Fermin is a better baseball player today than Saggese is, though.

No

Better baserunner
Better bat to ball
Better plate discipline
Better defense

Saggese is only 23 years old. Fermin is 26.

So Saggese is better at being younger.

What else?

Who’s better today doesn’t matter. Who is projected to be better whenever the Cardinals expect to be truly competitive again? I’m assuming that will be sometime after the lockout. IDK the answer, but that should be what drives the decision if theyre looking to move one of the two.

Based upon overall record coming up, Saggese is the better bet for the future.

[Basil Shabazz]

Fermin is a better baseball player today than Saggese is, though.

No, he is not.

[Cranny]

Fermin is a better baseball player today than Saggese is, though.

No, he is not.

Saggese was the all minor league 2nd baseman of the year several years ago. All organizations, all levels.

[woofy25]

One of the things that Bloom and Cerfolio can look at closely is the 40 man roster. It needs to be shed of guys who have no real future in the organization.

Fedde
Munoz
Mikolas
Roycroft
Baker
Fermin

Fermin should get a look but I don’t think they’re gonna move anyone at the deadline that would give him a lane for playing time.

The other 5, yea, all gone.

Fermin seems like a useful Utility player, but seems redundant with Sagasse (sp?) around

Fermin is a better baseball player today than Saggese is, though.

No

Better baserunner
Better bat to ball
Better plate discipline
Better defense

Saggese is only 23 years old. Fermin is 26.

So Saggese is better at being younger.

What else?

Who’s better today doesn’t matter. Who is projected to be better whenever the Cardinals expect to be truly competitive again? I’m assuming that will be sometime after the lockout. IDK the answer, but that should be what drives the decision if theyre looking to move one of the two.

Based upon overall record coming up, Saggese is the better bet for the future.

Sagesse gets a higher return in a trade. That is almost a certainty. Fermin has little to no value. So, if the Cardinals don't see either as part of their future in 2027 and beyond, then trading Sagesse makes more sense. They would probably need to package him with someone to get something legitimate in return.

[An Old Friend]

Fermin is a better baseball player today than Saggese is, though.

No, he is not.

But… he is.

Walking twice as much as he strikes out, better baserunner, better defender, better plate discipline, better bat to ball.

[ICCFIM2]

One of the things that Bloom and Cerfolio can look at closely is the 40 man roster. It needs to be shed of guys who have no real future in the organization.

Fedde
Munoz
Mikolas
Roycroft
Baker
Fermin

Fermin should get a look but I don’t think they’re gonna move anyone at the deadline that would give him a lane for playing time.

The other 5, yea, all gone.

Fermin seems like a useful Utility player, but seems redundant with Sagasse (sp?) around

Fermin is a better baseball player today than Saggese is, though.

No

Better baserunner
Better bat to ball
Better plate discipline
Better defense

Saggese is only 23 years old. Fermin is 26.

So Saggese is better at being younger.

What else?

Who’s better today doesn’t matter. Who is projected to be better whenever the Cardinals expect to be truly competitive again? I’m assuming that will be sometime after the lockout. IDK the answer, but that should be what drives the decision if theyre looking to move one of the two.

Based upon overall record coming up, Saggese is the better bet for the future.

Sagesse gets a higher return in a trade. That is almost a certainty. Fermin has little to no value. So, if the Cardinals don't see either as part of their future in 2027 and beyond, then trading Sagesse makes more sense. They would probably need to package him with someone to get something legitimate in return.

Here is the thing, we don't need to argue over Fermin for two reasons. One, he is playing well right now. Two, the Cards have plenty of players to get rid of that leaving him on the roster is not that big of a deal for the moment.

Mikolas, Fedde, King, Hampsen, Roycroft, Koperniak, Siani and Baker are a good start. That opens up 8 spots. I assume they will at a minimum trade Helsley and Maton at the deadline, which opens up 10 spots. They are not going to get rid of these players before the end of the year unless they make trades at the deadline that require a 40 man roster spot to be opened. Albeit, it is pretty clear from Oli's comments and some of the players comments they want Fedde gone now. So, I assume Fedde will not be on the team one way or the other by July 31. I am not sure how many guys they need to protect this winter, but, they have plenty of room to protect a lot of guys.

[Cardinals4Life]

One of the things that Bloom and Cerfolio can look at closely is the 40 man roster. It needs to be shed of guys who have no real future in the organization.

Fedde
Munoz
Mikolas
Roycroft
Baker
Fermin

Fermin should get a look but I don’t think they’re gonna move anyone at the deadline that would give him a lane for playing time.

The other 5, yea, all gone.

Fermin seems like a useful Utility player, but seems redundant with Sagasse (sp?) around

Fermin is a better baseball player today than Saggese is, though.

No

Better baserunner
Better bat to ball
Better plate discipline
Better defense

Hahaha.....No shot, guy! Saggese won a batting title in AA. He is still adjusting to MLB in limited action. Fermin, though not given much of a shot yet either, is just a fill piece.

[Braund241]

One of the things that Bloom and Cerfolio can look at closely is the 40 man roster. It needs to be shed of guys who have no real future in the organization.

Fedde
Munoz
Mikolas
Roycroft
Baker
Fermin

Fermin should get a look but I don’t think they’re gonna move anyone at the deadline that would give him a lane for playing time.

The other 5, yea, all gone.

Fermin seems like a useful Utility player, but seems redundant with Sagasse (sp?) around

Fermin is a better baseball player today than Saggese is, though.

No

Better baserunner
Better bat to ball
Better plate discipline
Better defense

Saggese is only 23 years old. Fermin is 26.

Arguing over two players that absolutely offer nothing to a championship type club. That’s what this organization now offers.

[An Old Friend]

One of the things that Bloom and Cerfolio can look at closely is the 40 man roster. It needs to be shed of guys who have no real future in the organization.

Fedde
Munoz
Mikolas
Roycroft
Baker
Fermin

Fermin should get a look but I don’t think they’re gonna move anyone at the deadline that would give him a lane for playing time.

The other 5, yea, all gone.

Fermin seems like a useful Utility player, but seems redundant with Sagasse (sp?) around

Fermin is a better baseball player today than Saggese is, though.

No

Better baserunner
Better bat to ball
Better plate discipline
Better defense

Hahaha.....No shot, guy! Saggese won a batting title in AA. He is still adjusting to MLB in limited action. Fermin, though not given much of a shot yet either, is just a fill piece.

Whoa, a AA batting title?

How does that refute anything I said?

Oh, that’s right. It doesn’t.

Saggese may end up better, but he’s not today.

[Cardinals4Life]

One of the things that Bloom and Cerfolio can look at closely is the 40 man roster. It needs to be shed of guys who have no real future in the organization.

Fedde
Munoz
Mikolas
Roycroft
Baker
Fermin

Fermin should get a look but I don’t think they’re gonna move anyone at the deadline that would give him a lane for playing time.

The other 5, yea, all gone.

Fermin seems like a useful Utility player, but seems redundant with Sagasse (sp?) around

Fermin is a better baseball player today than Saggese is, though.

No

Better baserunner
Better bat to ball
Better plate discipline
Better defense

Hahaha.....No shot, guy! Saggese won a batting title in AA. He is still adjusting to MLB in limited action. Fermin, though not given much of a shot yet either, is just a fill piece.

Whoa, a AA batting title?

How does that refute anything I said?

Oh, that’s right. It doesn’t.

Saggese may end up better, but he’s not today.

Guys with poor bat to ball skills don't win batting titles.

[An Old Friend]

One of the things that Bloom and Cerfolio can look at closely is the 40 man roster. It needs to be shed of guys who have no real future in the organization.

Fedde
Munoz
Mikolas
Roycroft
Baker
Fermin

Fermin should get a look but I don’t think they’re gonna move anyone at the deadline that would give him a lane for playing time.

The other 5, yea, all gone.

Fermin seems like a useful Utility player, but seems redundant with Sagasse (sp?) around

Fermin is a better baseball player today than Saggese is, though.

No

Better baserunner
Better bat to ball
Better plate discipline
Better defense

Hahaha.....No shot, guy! Saggese won a batting title in AA. He is still adjusting to MLB in limited action. Fermin, though not given much of a shot yet either, is just a fill piece.

Whoa, a AA batting title?

How does that refute anything I said?

Oh, that’s right. It doesn’t.

Saggese may end up better, but he’s not today.

Guys with poor bat to ball skills don't win batting titles.

Saggese's strikeout rate is 3x Fermin's.

K-rate:
Saggese - 23.8% (45 Ks in 42 games / 189 PA)
Fermin - 7.7% (19 Ks in 55 games / 247 PA)

Zone contact rate:
Saggese - 78.8%
Fermin - 94.0%

Swinging strike rate:
Saggese - 13.3%
Fermin - 2.9%

I never claimed that Saggese had "poor bat to ball skills". I said that Fermin has "better bat to ball" skills, and he very clearly does by a wide margin.

Listen - it isn't an insult to Saggese. It's just an honest and true assessment. There is NO WAY that you can argue that Saggese has better bat to ball skills than Fermin.

[Cardinals4Life]

One of the things that Bloom and Cerfolio can look at closely is the 40 man roster. It needs to be shed of guys who have no real future in the organization.

Fedde
Munoz
Mikolas
Roycroft
Baker
Fermin

Fermin should get a look but I don’t think they’re gonna move anyone at the deadline that would give him a lane for playing time.

The other 5, yea, all gone.

Fermin seems like a useful Utility player, but seems redundant with Sagasse (sp?) around

Fermin is a better baseball player today than Saggese is, though.

No

Better baserunner
Better bat to ball
Better plate discipline
Better defense

Hahaha.....No shot, guy! Saggese won a batting title in AA. He is still adjusting to MLB in limited action. Fermin, though not given much of a shot yet either, is just a fill piece.

Whoa, a AA batting title?

How does that refute anything I said?

Oh, that’s right. It doesn’t.

Saggese may end up better, but he’s not today.

Guys with poor bat to ball skills don't win batting titles.

Saggese's strikeout rate is 3x Fermin's.

K-rate:
Saggese - 23.8% (45 Ks in 42 games / 189 PA)
Fermin - 7.7% (19 Ks in 55 games / 247 PA)

Zone contact rate:
Saggese - 78.8%
Fermin - 94.0%

Swinging strike rate:
Saggese - 13.3%
Fermin - 2.9%

I never claimed that Saggese had "poor bat to ball skills". I said that Fermin has "better bat to ball" skills, and he very clearly does by a wide margin.

Listen - it isn't an insult to Saggese. It's just an honest and true assessment. There is NO WAY that you can argue that Saggese has better bat to ball skills than Fermin.

Sagesse will be an everyday regular for us in the very near future. Fermin will likely not be a Cardinal next year.

[An Old Friend]

One of the things that Bloom and Cerfolio can look at closely is the 40 man roster. It needs to be shed of guys who have no real future in the organization.

Fedde
Munoz
Mikolas
Roycroft
Baker
Fermin

Fermin should get a look but I don’t think they’re gonna move anyone at the deadline that would give him a lane for playing time.

The other 5, yea, all gone.

Fermin seems like a useful Utility player, but seems redundant with Sagasse (sp?) around

Fermin is a better baseball player today than Saggese is, though.

No

Better baserunner
Better bat to ball
Better plate discipline
Better defense

Hahaha.....No shot, guy! Saggese won a batting title in AA. He is still adjusting to MLB in limited action. Fermin, though not given much of a shot yet either, is just a fill piece.

Whoa, a AA batting title?

How does that refute anything I said?

Oh, that’s right. It doesn’t.

Saggese may end up better, but he’s not today.

Guys with poor bat to ball skills don't win batting titles.

Saggese's strikeout rate is 3x Fermin's.

K-rate:
Saggese - 23.8% (45 Ks in 42 games / 189 PA)
Fermin - 7.7% (19 Ks in 55 games / 247 PA)

Zone contact rate:
Saggese - 78.8%
Fermin - 94.0%

Swinging strike rate:
Saggese - 13.3%
Fermin - 2.9%

I never claimed that Saggese had "poor bat to ball skills". I said that Fermin has "better bat to ball" skills, and he very clearly does by a wide margin.

Listen - it isn't an insult to Saggese. It's just an honest and true assessment. There is NO WAY that you can argue that Saggese has better bat to ball skills than Fermin.

Sagesse will be an everyday regular for us in the very near future. Fermin will likely not be a Cardinal next year.

Ok, fine, change the subject

You could’ve added, “yeah, you’re right, had no idea about Fermin.” But that’s a lot to ask, I guess.

I don’t think Saggese ends up a regular for the Cardinals unless they trade Winn and keep Wetherholt at SS.

[Cardinals4Life]

One of the things that Bloom and Cerfolio can look at closely is the 40 man roster. It needs to be shed of guys who have no real future in the organization.

Fedde
Munoz
Mikolas
Roycroft
Baker
Fermin

Fermin should get a look but I don’t think they’re gonna move anyone at the deadline that would give him a lane for playing time.

The other 5, yea, all gone.

Fermin seems like a useful Utility player, but seems redundant with Sagasse (sp?) around

Fermin is a better baseball player today than Saggese is, though.

No

Better baserunner
Better bat to ball
Better plate discipline
Better defense

Hahaha.....No shot, guy! Saggese won a batting title in AA. He is still adjusting to MLB in limited action. Fermin, though not given much of a shot yet either, is just a fill piece.

Whoa, a AA batting title?

How does that refute anything I said?

Oh, that’s right. It doesn’t.

Saggese may end up better, but he’s not today.

Guys with poor bat to ball skills don't win batting titles.

Saggese's strikeout rate is 3x Fermin's.

K-rate:
Saggese - 23.8% (45 Ks in 42 games / 189 PA)
Fermin - 7.7% (19 Ks in 55 games / 247 PA)

Zone contact rate:
Saggese - 78.8%
Fermin - 94.0%

Swinging strike rate:
Saggese - 13.3%
Fermin - 2.9%

I never claimed that Saggese had "poor bat to ball skills". I said that Fermin has "better bat to ball" skills, and he very clearly does by a wide margin.

Listen - it isn't an insult to Saggese. It's just an honest and true assessment. There is NO WAY that you can argue that Saggese has better bat to ball skills than Fermin.

Sagesse will be an everyday regular for us in the very near future. Fermin will likely not be a Cardinal next year.

Ok, fine, change the subject

You could’ve added, “yeah, you’re right, had no idea about Fermin.” But that’s a lot to ask, I guess.

I don’t think Saggese ends up a regular for the Cardinals unless they trade Winn and keep Wetherholt at SS.

Change the subject??? Nope.
Still talking about Sagesse and Fermin.
I disagree with your opinion on who the better player is. No big deal.
Time will tell.