How much does Wetherholt factor into the trade deadline plans?

[imadangman]

I wish 3B would open up as Gorman could play there at the very least. So I guess Wetherholt still has to play 2nd base with Donovan going to the OF. Maybe this is where you trade Nootbaar. Don't know what his value is, but you can't get him off this roster fast enough for me.

Wetherholt has been scorching hot so I wouldn't be opposed to having him come up this season. Do not trade Winn. Bat him 6th, 7th, 8th, or 9th.

By next season you have Baez pressuring for OF time, if Scott Joplin II is still struggling Baez can go right into CF. Burleson, unfortunately has to figure into rightfield (Walker challenging) because Herrera is going to occupy the DH slot until Contreras starts to give off of 1st base.

I'd absolutely look into trading Nootbaar. Before we get into O'Neill and Carlson and Grichuk (aye aye aye) territory. And a week ago, I would've been anti-trade Winn, but...you know...? I could see where it might be beneficial. I'm not advocating that we do that. But I can see a world where it might make sense.

With the coming outfield depth I outlined, it actually makes sense to extenuate Nootbaar now for the same reason they traded Edman last year. By next season there's going to be too many other outfielders.

I guess they will play Walker straight to the end of the year, maybe a last chance, and then Bloom will get the decision this offseason to keep him or Chuck him to the side of the road.

[Stlcardsblues]

I sure wouldn't trade Winn, instead thinking he's a core piece moving forward in tandem with Wetherholt in the middle infield.
The need to trade Arenado is glaring imo. The Yankees overall defense stinks. Nolan can help them with that. Do what it takes to trade him before the deadline.
In the 2nd half the Cards could go with an infield alignment of Donovan-Winn-Wetherholt and Contreras. That's not bad, and potentially a pretty good one.
Trade Fedde and replace with McGreevy.
The Brewers traded Hader, then last year Delvin Williams, yet this year their BP is good. OK, trading Helsley doesn't necessarily bankrupt the Cards remote chances this year, but if it does, they can still potentially form a decent BP for 2026.

Wonder what a package of Arenado, Helsley and Fedde could fetch from the Yankees.

Trade Helsley alone for a better return.

So trade Helsley alone for a better return, while also trying to deal Arenado in another trade could work.
Would that be a better strategy in your view?
Guess if it took packaging Arenado to move him even with a lesser return, I'd still be considering it. Just feel like the need to move on from Arenado is a priority, but quite possible I'm wrong.

Maximizing Helsley’s value is a far higher priority than Arenado’s situation. Don’t devalue him tying him to Arenado.

[HorseTrader]

I sure wouldn't trade Winn, instead thinking he's a core piece moving forward in tandem with Wetherholt in the middle infield.
The need to trade Arenado is glaring imo. The Yankees overall defense stinks. Nolan can help them with that. Do what it takes to trade him before the deadline.
In the 2nd half the Cards could go with an infield alignment of Donovan-Winn-Wetherholt and Contreras. That's not bad, and potentially a pretty good one.
Trade Fedde and replace with McGreevy.
The Brewers traded Hader, then last year Delvin Williams, yet this year their BP is good. OK, trading Helsley doesn't necessarily bankrupt the Cards remote chances this year, but if it does, they can still potentially form a decent BP for 2026.

Wonder what a package of Arenado, Helsley and Fedde could fetch from the Yankees.

If they trade Arenado, I think you will see Gorman and possibly Walker get time at 3rd and possibly at 1st. I don't think Wetherholt comes up before Sept 1 unless there's an injury to Winn.

[ScotchMIrish]

IF a team comes asking for M. Winn, then you absolutely listen.

If it's a great offer, then JJ playing SS since drafted means he's called up after Winn's dealt and playing SS.

Trade the shortstop with the best fielding % and best range factor in MLB to make room for a prospect? I'd rather have him play 3B and sit Arenado.

[ScotchMIrish]

Pretty soon, the Cardinals are going to need to open up a spot for Wetherholt. 2B or 3B. It's good to have Donovan's position flexibility.

My prediction is Aranado stays, Wetherholt to 2B Donovan to LF and Burleson to RF. Noot, Walker, and Gorman are odd men out and on the block. Add Helsley, Matz, Fedde, Maton, and Mikolas and the Cardinals have a ton of pieces to move. Add a RH OF slugger to slit with Burleson

The reason you want to trade Helsley, Matz, Maton, Fedde and Mikolas is the same reason they won't bring a lot in return.

They’d get a return on the first 3 without a doubt

Matz vastly overpaid in his walk year. Maton 34 years old and average stats. Both middle relievers. Helsley in his walk year. If they can get a lot I'd trade them without hesitation.

[An Old Friend]

Pretty soon, the Cardinals are going to need to open up a spot for Wetherholt. 2B or 3B. It's good to have Donovan's position flexibility.

My prediction is Aranado stays, Wetherholt to 2B Donovan to LF and Burleson to RF. Noot, Walker, and Gorman are odd men out and on the block. Add Helsley, Matz, Fedde, Maton, and Mikolas and the Cardinals have a ton of pieces to move. Add a RH OF slugger to slit with Burleson

The reason you want to trade Helsley, Matz, Maton, Fedde and Mikolas is the same reason they won't bring a lot in return.

They’d get a return on the first 3 without a doubt

Matz vastly overpaid in his walk year. Maton 34 years old and average stats. Both middle relievers. Helsley in his walk year. If they can get a lot I'd trade them without hesitation.

Matz has a 5:1 strikeout to walk ratio, a .641 OPS against, and a 2.90 FIP. Every contender would want that in their bullpen.

Maton makes nothing, has a 2.50 ERA and 2 HR allowed in his last 70 appearances, and has a .618 OPS against in 2025

I don’t think you know what “average stats” are.

[Futuregm2]

I wish 3B would open up as Gorman could play there at the very least. So I guess Wetherholt still has to play 2nd base with Donovan going to the OF. Maybe this is where you trade Nootbaar. Don't know what his value is, but you can't get him off this roster fast enough for me.

Wetherholt has been scorching hot so I wouldn't be opposed to having him come up this season. Do not trade Winn. Bat him 6th, 7th, 8th, or 9th.

By next season you have Baez pressuring for OF time, if Scott Joplin II is still struggling Baez can go right into CF. Burleson, unfortunately has to figure into rightfield (Walker challenging) because Herrera is going to occupy the DH slot until Contreras starts to give off of 1st base.

I'd absolutely look into trading Nootbaar. Before we get into O'Neill and Carlson and Grichuk (aye aye aye) territory. And a week ago, I would've been anti-trade Winn, but...you know...? I could see where it might be beneficial. I'm not advocating that we do that. But I can see a world where it might make sense.

I’m pretty firm against trading Winn. Only way is if you got totally blown away by an offer.

Currently leads the Cardinals in fWAR and 2nd in bWAR. He’s an elite defender at a critical defensive position and average to slightly above average with the bat and I think he has the right makeup/attitude. And he’s only 23, so he could still improve.

[Strummer Jones]

I wish 3B would open up as Gorman could play there at the very least. So I guess Wetherholt still has to play 2nd base with Donovan going to the OF. Maybe this is where you trade Nootbaar. Don't know what his value is, but you can't get him off this roster fast enough for me.

Wetherholt has been scorching hot so I wouldn't be opposed to having him come up this season. Do not trade Winn. Bat him 6th, 7th, 8th, or 9th.

By next season you have Baez pressuring for OF time, if Scott Joplin II is still struggling Baez can go right into CF. Burleson, unfortunately has to figure into rightfield (Walker challenging) because Herrera is going to occupy the DH slot until Contreras starts to give off of 1st base.

I'd absolutely look into trading Nootbaar. Before we get into O'Neill and Carlson and Grichuk (aye aye aye) territory. And a week ago, I would've been anti-trade Winn, but...you know...? I could see where it might be beneficial. I'm not advocating that we do that. But I can see a world where it might make sense.

I’m pretty firm against trading Winn. Only way is if you got totally blown away by an offer.

Currently leads the Cardinals in fWAR and 2nd in bWAR. He’s an elite defender at a critical defensive position and average to slightly above average with the bat and I think he has the right makeup/attitude. And he’s only 23, so he could still improve.

I mean, I agree. I guess I should say that I'm open to being blown away

[rockondlouie]

IF a team comes asking for M. Winn, then you absolutely listen.

If it's a great offer, then JJ playing SS since drafted means he's called up after Winn's dealt and playing SS.

Trade the shortstop with the best fielding % and best range factor in MLB to make room for a prospect? I'd rather have him play 3B and sit Arenado.

I'd trade Winn in a heart beat if he brought back a #2 starter with years of control or a hard hitting RH outfielder.

And that "prospect" is THE PLAYER that C. Bloom will build the team around, not Winn.

[Melville]

Pretty soon, the Cardinals are going to need to open up a spot for Wetherholt. 2B or 3B. It's good to have Donovan's position flexibility.

I have addressed this several times.
The solution could not be more clear.
Trade Lars The Human Sushi-baar.
Move Donovan to LF.
Wetherholt, Gorman, Winn, Saggese divvy up 3B/SS/2B reps.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

[Shady]

Pretty soon, the Cardinals are going to need to open up a spot for Wetherholt. 2B or 3B. It's good to have Donovan's position flexibility.

I have addressed this several times.
The solution could not be more clear.
Trade Lars The Human Sushi-baar.
Move Donovan to LF.
Wetherholt, Gorman, Winn, Saggese divvy up 3B/SS/2B reps.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

What are you doing with Arenado?

[Melville]

IF a team comes asking for M. Winn, then you absolutely listen.

If it's a great offer, then JJ playing SS since drafted means he's called up after Winn's dealt and playing SS.

Trade the shortstop with the best fielding % and best range factor in MLB to make room for a prospect? I'd rather have him play 3B and sit Arenado.

I'd trade Winn in a heart beat if he brought back a #2 starter with years of control or a hard hitting RH outfielder.

And that "prospect" is THE PLAYER that C. Bloom will build the team around, not Winn.

Might be advisable to take some extended looks at Saggese and Wetherholt at SS to determine if the glove plays before being too quick to move on from Winn.
Winn needs to stay right where he is for at least another year.

[Melville]

Pretty soon, the Cardinals are going to need to open up a spot for Wetherholt. 2B or 3B. It's good to have Donovan's position flexibility.

I have addressed this several times.
The solution could not be more clear.
Trade Lars The Human Sushi-baar.
Move Donovan to LF.
Wetherholt, Gorman, Winn, Saggese divvy up 3B/SS/2B reps.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

What are you doing with Arenado?

See the existing thread.
Demand he accept a trade or bench him.

[ScotchMIrish]

Pretty soon, the Cardinals are going to need to open up a spot for Wetherholt. 2B or 3B. It's good to have Donovan's position flexibility.

My prediction is Aranado stays, Wetherholt to 2B Donovan to LF and Burleson to RF. Noot, Walker, and Gorman are odd men out and on the block. Add Helsley, Matz, Fedde, Maton, and Mikolas and the Cardinals have a ton of pieces to move. Add a RH OF slugger to slit with Burleson

The reason you want to trade Helsley, Matz, Maton, Fedde and Mikolas is the same reason they won't bring a lot in return.

They’d get a return on the first 3 without a doubt

Matz vastly overpaid in his walk year. Maton 34 years old and average stats. Both middle relievers. Helsley in his walk year. If they can get a lot I'd trade them without hesitation.

Matz has a 5:1 strikeout to walk ratio, a .641 OPS against, and a 2.90 FIP. Every contender would want that in their bullpen.

Maton makes nothing, has a 2.50 ERA and 2 HR allowed in his last 70 appearances, and has a .618 OPS against in 2025

I don’t think you know what “average stats” are.

H/9 52/50 K/9 52/46 ERA 3.29 34 years old. Walk year of his contract. If we can get a lot for him I'd jump all over the deal and send a private jet to pick up the future star prospect we get.

[ScotchMIrish]

Pretty soon, the Cardinals are going to need to open up a spot for Wetherholt. 2B or 3B. It's good to have Donovan's position flexibility.

I have addressed this several times.
The solution could not be more clear.
Trade Lars The Human Sushi-baar.
Move Donovan to LF.
Wetherholt, Gorman, Winn, Saggese divvy up 3B/SS/2B reps.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

What are you doing with Arenado?

See the existing thread.
Demand he accept a trade or bench him.

He isn't having a good season and has a big contract. We would have to pay at least 2/3 of that contract and wouldn't get much in return. I doubt Mozelik on his own would bench Arenado because that makes him looks bad for acquiring him but that might be the best option if we fall out of contention in August or September.

[woofy25]

Pretty soon, the Cardinals are going to need to open up a spot for Wetherholt. 2B or 3B. It's good to have Donovan's position flexibility.

My prediction is Aranado stays, Wetherholt to 2B Donovan to LF and Burleson to RF. Noot, Walker, and Gorman are odd men out and on the block. Add Helsley, Matz, Fedde, Maton, and Mikolas and the Cardinals have a ton of pieces to move. Add a RH OF slugger to slit with Burleson

What type of player do you think the Cardinals can legitimately get for Walker and Gorman, individually? Based on the names above, how are they going to get a RH OF slugger in return? I'm guessing he has to play CF if you want Donovan and Burleson in the corners.