Is it time to move on from Walker

Welcome to STLtoday.com's forum for fans of the St. Louis Cardinals.

Moderators: STLtoday Forum Moderators, Cards Talk Moderators

scoutyjones2
Forum User
Posts: 6704
Joined: 23 May 2024 14:43 pm

Re: Is it time to move on from Walker

Post by scoutyjones2 »

JuanAgosto wrote: 18 Jul 2025 13:28 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 13:03 pm
Pura Vida wrote: 18 Jul 2025 12:56 pm I know hindsight is 20/20 but he is only 23 and he could have very well been brought up to the majors too early.
Or, stay with me...he's was a great High School big fish in a little pond, but isn't adapting to being a small fish in a gigantic pond.
Seems to not take coaching very well either. Stubborn by nature, or just just doesn't trust the Cardinals staff?
Or not capable or not that bright...whole plethora of reasons can be stirred together as to his lack of progression and continued degradation
JuanAgosto
Forum User
Posts: 5224
Joined: 01 Jul 2021 21:30 pm

Re: Is it time to move on from Walker

Post by JuanAgosto »

scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 13:42 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 18 Jul 2025 13:28 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 13:03 pm
Pura Vida wrote: 18 Jul 2025 12:56 pm I know hindsight is 20/20 but he is only 23 and he could have very well been brought up to the majors too early.
Or, stay with me...he's was a great High School big fish in a little pond, but isn't adapting to being a small fish in a gigantic pond.
Seems to not take coaching very well either. Stubborn by nature, or just just doesn't trust the Cardinals staff?
Or not capable or not that bright...whole plethora of reasons can be stirred together as to his lack of progression and continued degradation
From all accounts, he is a very intelligent individual.
scoutyjones2
Forum User
Posts: 6704
Joined: 23 May 2024 14:43 pm

Re: Is it time to move on from Walker

Post by scoutyjones2 »

JuanAgosto wrote: 18 Jul 2025 14:01 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 13:42 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 18 Jul 2025 13:28 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 13:03 pm
Pura Vida wrote: 18 Jul 2025 12:56 pm I know hindsight is 20/20 but he is only 23 and he could have very well been brought up to the majors too early.
Or, stay with me...he's was a great High School big fish in a little pond, but isn't adapting to being a small fish in a gigantic pond.
Seems to not take coaching very well either. Stubborn by nature, or just just doesn't trust the Cardinals staff?
Or not capable or not that bright...whole plethora of reasons can be stirred together as to his lack of progression and continued degradation
From all accounts, he is a very intelligent individual.
I have no idea or first hand knowledge either way. And neither does anyone else on CT. But if you ignore the training and guidance, that does lend itself that you may not very bright.
JuanAgosto
Forum User
Posts: 5224
Joined: 01 Jul 2021 21:30 pm

Re: Is it time to move on from Walker

Post by JuanAgosto »

scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 14:13 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 18 Jul 2025 14:01 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 13:42 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 18 Jul 2025 13:28 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 13:03 pm
Pura Vida wrote: 18 Jul 2025 12:56 pm I know hindsight is 20/20 but he is only 23 and he could have very well been brought up to the majors too early.
Or, stay with me...he's was a great High School big fish in a little pond, but isn't adapting to being a small fish in a gigantic pond.
Seems to not take coaching very well either. Stubborn by nature, or just just doesn't trust the Cardinals staff?
Or not capable or not that bright...whole plethora of reasons can be stirred together as to his lack of progression and continued degradation
From all accounts, he is a very intelligent individual.
I have no idea or first hand knowledge either way. And neither does anyone else on CT. But if you ignore the training and guidance, that does lend itself that you may not very bright.
Maybe not. He could know their instruction doesn't work. Maybe he's forcing his way out.
scoutyjones2
Forum User
Posts: 6704
Joined: 23 May 2024 14:43 pm

Re: Is it time to move on from Walker

Post by scoutyjones2 »

JuanAgosto wrote: 18 Jul 2025 16:11 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 14:13 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 18 Jul 2025 14:01 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 13:42 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 18 Jul 2025 13:28 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 13:03 pm
Pura Vida wrote: 18 Jul 2025 12:56 pm I know hindsight is 20/20 but he is only 23 and he could have very well been brought up to the majors too early.
Or, stay with me...he's was a great High School big fish in a little pond, but isn't adapting to being a small fish in a gigantic pond.
Seems to not take coaching very well either. Stubborn by nature, or just just doesn't trust the Cardinals staff?
Or not capable or not that bright...whole plethora of reasons can be stirred together as to his lack of progression and continued degradation
From all accounts, he is a very intelligent individual.
I have no idea or first hand knowledge either way. And neither does anyone else on CT. But if you ignore the training and guidance, that does lend itself that you may not very bright.
Maybe not. He could know their instruction doesn't work. Maybe he's forcing his way out.
Good riddance then if a high schooler thinks they no more about MLB hitting than his coaches.

That would prove he's not bright at all
Kentucky kid
Forum User
Posts: 568
Joined: 26 Jul 2022 15:05 pm

Re: Is it time to move on from Walker

Post by Kentucky kid »

He’ll ya
JuanAgosto
Forum User
Posts: 5224
Joined: 01 Jul 2021 21:30 pm

Re: Is it time to move on from Walker

Post by JuanAgosto »

scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 16:13 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 18 Jul 2025 16:11 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 14:13 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 18 Jul 2025 14:01 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 13:42 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 18 Jul 2025 13:28 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 13:03 pm
Pura Vida wrote: 18 Jul 2025 12:56 pm I know hindsight is 20/20 but he is only 23 and he could have very well been brought up to the majors too early.
Or, stay with me...he's was a great High School big fish in a little pond, but isn't adapting to being a small fish in a gigantic pond.
Seems to not take coaching very well either. Stubborn by nature, or just just doesn't trust the Cardinals staff?
Or not capable or not that bright...whole plethora of reasons can be stirred together as to his lack of progression and continued degradation
From all accounts, he is a very intelligent individual.
I have no idea or first hand knowledge either way. And neither does anyone else on CT. But if you ignore the training and guidance, that does lend itself that you may not very bright.
Maybe not. He could know their instruction doesn't work. Maybe he's forcing his way out.
Good riddance then if a high schooler thinks they no more about MLB hitting than his coaches.

That would prove he's not bright at all
Those coaches who are no longer employed by the Cardinals? Those coaches who took a guy who was hitting for average and made him a mess because they were trying to turn him into something else?
Hazelwood72
Forum User
Posts: 936
Joined: 02 Feb 2021 23:05 pm

Re: Is it time to move on from Walker

Post by Hazelwood72 »

JuanAgosto wrote: 18 Jul 2025 16:40 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 16:13 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 18 Jul 2025 16:11 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 14:13 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 18 Jul 2025 14:01 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 13:42 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 18 Jul 2025 13:28 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 13:03 pm
Pura Vida wrote: 18 Jul 2025 12:56 pm I know hindsight is 20/20 but he is only 23 and he could have very well been brought up to the majors too early.
Or, stay with me...he's was a great High School big fish in a little pond, but isn't adapting to being a small fish in a gigantic pond.
Seems to not take coaching very well either. Stubborn by nature, or just just doesn't trust the Cardinals staff?
Or not capable or not that bright...whole plethora of reasons can be stirred together as to his lack of progression and continued degradation
From all accounts, he is a very intelligent individual.
I have no idea or first hand knowledge either way. And neither does anyone else on CT. But if you ignore the training and guidance, that does lend itself that you may not very bright.
Maybe not. He could know their instruction doesn't work. Maybe he's forcing his way out.
Good riddance then if a high schooler thinks they no more about MLB hitting than his coaches.

That would prove he's not bright at all
Those coaches who are no longer employed by the Cardinals? Those coaches who took a guy who was hitting for average and made him a mess because they were trying to turn him into something else?
+1. Well said, Juan. Our hitting coaches at that time seemed to be fixated on uppercutting and hitting the long ball.
scoutyjones2
Forum User
Posts: 6704
Joined: 23 May 2024 14:43 pm

Re: Is it time to move on from Walker

Post by scoutyjones2 »

JuanAgosto wrote: 18 Jul 2025 16:40 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 16:13 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 18 Jul 2025 16:11 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 14:13 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 18 Jul 2025 14:01 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 13:42 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 18 Jul 2025 13:28 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 13:03 pm
Pura Vida wrote: 18 Jul 2025 12:56 pm I know hindsight is 20/20 but he is only 23 and he could have very well been brought up to the majors too early.
Or, stay with me...he's was a great High School big fish in a little pond, but isn't adapting to being a small fish in a gigantic pond.
Seems to not take coaching very well either. Stubborn by nature, or just just doesn't trust the Cardinals staff?
Or not capable or not that bright...whole plethora of reasons can be stirred together as to his lack of progression and continued degradation
From all accounts, he is a very intelligent individual.
I have no idea or first hand knowledge either way. And neither does anyone else on CT. But if you ignore the training and guidance, that does lend itself that you may not very bright.
Maybe not. He could know their instruction doesn't work. Maybe he's forcing his way out.
Good riddance then if a high schooler thinks they no more about MLB hitting than his coaches.

That would prove he's not bright at all
Those coaches who are no longer employed by the Cardinals? Those coaches who took a guy who was hitting for average and made him a mess because they were trying y is he still aess. One fluke rookie year and then just horrible
to turn him into something else?
LoL. One good rookie season. League catches on and he can't counter. Gets worse every year.

Team doesn't want a linebacker hitting worm burners
Clubmaker2
Forum User
Posts: 1554
Joined: 16 Apr 2021 16:53 pm

Re: Is it time to move on from Walker

Post by Clubmaker2 »

how did the guy in 2023 have an ops of 976 in june, struggle in July , then have ops 793 in August of 2023, and ops of 818 in September of 2023, The pitchers figured out how to make him beat it into the ground to the tune of 800 ops lol. Yet they start with messing him up for 2024. Seems cardinals fixed a problem that hadnt festered on the field, kinda like how they coached Wilson C into a broken arm lol? Maybe he should have had to fallen well off the 800 ops area for consecutive months before they fixed him for good ...

His swing got him to mlb, and cardinal coaching got him out of mlb....they sent him down on 24 april 2024 after 20 games struggling....fix your pitch recognition and change your swing too to keep from beating it into the ground. 20 games.
Last edited by Clubmaker2 on 18 Jul 2025 23:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.
ramfandan
Forum User
Posts: 4469
Joined: 27 May 2024 19:52 pm

Re: Is it time to move on from Walker

Post by ramfandan »

scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 14:13 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 18 Jul 2025 14:01 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 13:42 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 18 Jul 2025 13:28 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 13:03 pm
Pura Vida wrote: 18 Jul 2025 12:56 pm I know hindsight is 20/20 but he is only 23 and he could have very well been brought up to the majors too early.
Or, stay with me...he's was a great High School big fish in a little pond, but isn't adapting to being a small fish in a gigantic pond.
Seems to not take coaching very well either. Stubborn by nature, or just just doesn't trust the Cardinals staff?
Or not capable or not that bright...whole plethora of reasons can be stirred together as to his lack of progression and continued degradation
From all accounts, he is a very intelligent individual.
I have no idea or first hand knowledge either way. And neither does anyone else on CT. But if you ignore the training and guidance, that does lend itself that you may not very bright.
As for possible intelligence, I do know this. His father is grad from MIT software guy and mother Harvard grad. Masters from Wash. U St.Louis and HS teacher.
It’s my experience two smart parents rarely breed dumb kids.
JuanAgosto
Forum User
Posts: 5224
Joined: 01 Jul 2021 21:30 pm

Re: Is it time to move on from Walker

Post by JuanAgosto »

scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 18:44 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 18 Jul 2025 16:40 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 16:13 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 18 Jul 2025 16:11 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 14:13 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 18 Jul 2025 14:01 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 13:42 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 18 Jul 2025 13:28 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 13:03 pm
Pura Vida wrote: 18 Jul 2025 12:56 pm I know hindsight is 20/20 but he is only 23 and he could have very well been brought up to the majors too early.
Or, stay with me...he's was a great High School big fish in a little pond, but isn't adapting to being a small fish in a gigantic pond.
Seems to not take coaching very well either. Stubborn by nature, or just just doesn't trust the Cardinals staff?
Or not capable or not that bright...whole plethora of reasons can be stirred together as to his lack of progression and continued degradation
From all accounts, he is a very intelligent individual.
I have no idea or first hand knowledge either way. And neither does anyone else on CT. But if you ignore the training and guidance, that does lend itself that you may not very bright.
Maybe not. He could know their instruction doesn't work. Maybe he's forcing his way out.
Good riddance then if a high schooler thinks they no more about MLB hitting than his coaches.

That would prove he's not bright at all
Those coaches who are no longer employed by the Cardinals? Those coaches who took a guy who was hitting for average and made him a mess because they were trying y is he still aess. One fluke rookie year and then just horrible
to turn him into something else?
LoL. One good rookie season. League catches on and he can't counter. Gets worse every year.

Team doesn't want a linebacker hitting worm burners
He was hitting until they screwed with him. The organization has a history of this. Piscotty, Carpenter, etc. Not the first time this has happened.
JuanAgosto
Forum User
Posts: 5224
Joined: 01 Jul 2021 21:30 pm

Re: Is it time to move on from Walker

Post by JuanAgosto »

Clubmaker2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 22:58 pm how did the guy in 2023 have an ops of 976 in june, struggle in July , then have ops 793 in August of 2023, and ops of 818 in September of 2023, The pitchers figured out how to make him beat it into the ground to the tune of 800 ops lol. Yet they start with messing him up for 2024. Seems cardinals fixed a problem that hadnt festered on the field, kinda like how they coached Wilson C into a broken arm lol? Maybe he should have had to fallen well off the 800 ops area for consecutive months before they fixed him for good ...

His swing got him to mlb, and cardinal coaching got him out of mlb....they sent him down on 24 april 2024 after 20 games struggling....fix your pitch recognition and change your swing too to keep from beating it into the ground. 20 games.
Well said.
JuanAgosto
Forum User
Posts: 5224
Joined: 01 Jul 2021 21:30 pm

Re: Is it time to move on from Walker

Post by JuanAgosto »

scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 14:13 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 18 Jul 2025 14:01 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 13:42 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 18 Jul 2025 13:28 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 18 Jul 2025 13:03 pm
Pura Vida wrote: 18 Jul 2025 12:56 pm I know hindsight is 20/20 but he is only 23 and he could have very well been brought up to the majors too early.
Or, stay with me...he's was a great High School big fish in a little pond, but isn't adapting to being a small fish in a gigantic pond.
Seems to not take coaching very well either. Stubborn by nature, or just just doesn't trust the Cardinals staff?
Or not capable or not that bright...whole plethora of reasons can be stirred together as to his lack of progression and continued degradation
From all accounts, he is a very intelligent individual.
I have no idea or first hand knowledge either way. And neither does anyone else on CT. But if you ignore the training and guidance, that does lend itself that you may not very bright.
Listen to the guy speak. He is obviously a smart man.
Post Reply