Just do something

[Youboughtit]

What does Houston have in their system? they are contending and need a left handed bat and a starter with a pulse --- what do you think you could get for burleson and fedde? would you and do you trust whomever is in charge downtown to get enough in return?

Houston's farm system is awful- I mean desolate- like, Los Angeles Angels bad.

The Rangers could use a LF, RF, or a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Mariners badly need offense and could use a RF or a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Red Sox need a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Giants need a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Royals are desperate for offense from any OF position. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Twins need a corner OF or a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Guardians need offense and a RF. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Blue Jays could use a LF. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Padres are in tears looking for a LF with an OPS over .600. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Phillies offensive production from LF has been awful. They've got Burleson written all over them. And last, but not least, even the mighty Dodgers are getting terrible production from Michael Conforto in LF. Yes, the Dodgers have Burleson written all over them. We don't need to take the dregs of the Houston farm system. There is a match for Burleson. When you get him moved, move Noot to one of the others needing OF help.

Burleson may be our best hitter currently not named Donovan but he really is a jag --- no position and while his offense is decent it really isn't for the 2 positions he can truly play -- dh and 1b. His value is as high as it will likely ever be so they really need to strike while they can there. Fedde is a competent/decent pitcher who you will have to pay a prorated portion of 6 million for the rest of the season. I would think there is a line of teams who would want those two.

He’s LH and they have to get a RH power bat for RF. So what’s your plan for him to get ABs next year with Donovan in LF and Wetherholt at 2B. Is seems like 2-3 of Nootbar Donovan Burleson Walker and Gorman have to go

Why does the bat have to be RH? Right now the top 2 power bats on the team are RH, Herrera and Contreras. Really they need a LH hitter to hit 4th in the lineup. Sandwich him with Herrera and Contreras. Then Burly can bat 6th and be pretty good there. And you can put Wetherholt 2nd when he’s ready.

Worst stats vs LHP in the MLB is why. Too many LH bats. Horrible roster construction

Well that is what happens when your one of your best RH bats is on the IL for half the season. And the manager refuses to platoon players who should be platooned. When healthy this team needs a true MOTB that is LH more IMO than RH. They don’t really have a true LH hitter that can hit in the middle of the order.

No matter what they need a RH OF bat. Your entire of cannot be LH. Hererra is injured a lot.

Part of why I’m hoping Baez is the real deal. And also why I hope they have Herrera train in the OF over the offseason. Btw, he’s been on the IL 3 times in his entire professional career, twice this year.

I disagree. I think they need to trade Nootbar and Corman ideally. Replace them with Wetherholt and a RH OF with power. 2 LH bats really need to be replaced with a RH upgrade

[Hoosier59]

What does Houston have in their system? they are contending and need a left handed bat and a starter with a pulse --- what do you think you could get for burleson and fedde? would you and do you trust whomever is in charge downtown to get enough in return?

Houston's farm system is awful- I mean desolate- like, Los Angeles Angels bad.

The Rangers could use a LF, RF, or a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Mariners badly need offense and could use a RF or a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Red Sox need a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Giants need a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Royals are desperate for offense from any OF position. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Twins need a corner OF or a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Guardians need offense and a RF. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Blue Jays could use a LF. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Padres are in tears looking for a LF with an OPS over .600. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Phillies offensive production from LF has been awful. They've got Burleson written all over them. And last, but not least, even the mighty Dodgers are getting terrible production from Michael Conforto in LF. Yes, the Dodgers have Burleson written all over them. We don't need to take the dregs of the Houston farm system. There is a match for Burleson. When you get him moved, move Noot to one of the others needing OF help.

Burleson may be our best hitter currently not named Donovan but he really is a jag --- no position and while his offense is decent it really isn't for the 2 positions he can truly play -- dh and 1b. His value is as high as it will likely ever be so they really need to strike while they can there. Fedde is a competent/decent pitcher who you will have to pay a prorated portion of 6 million for the rest of the season. I would think there is a line of teams who would want those two.

He’s LH and they have to get a RH power bat for RF. So what’s your plan for him to get ABs next year with Donovan in LF and Wetherholt at 2B. Is seems like 2-3 of Nootbar Donovan Burleson Walker and Gorman have to go

thats why you trade burleson now unless you believe he is part of the future --- other than Donovan he has the most value of any of those guys right now. you trade guys when other teams want them and will pay.

Small markets may be willing to take Gorman and Walker for a SP because of cost control

I could see a Jordan Walker for Taj Bradley kind of trade with TB. I’m not sure I’m ready to give up Walker yet, but that might be an interesting change of scenery deal for both sides.

I’d rather send them Gorman, or Nootbaar. To me, you don’t trade away your best hitters for anything that’s not equal or better than what you’re giving up. Herrera, Donovan, Winn, Burleson, and Walker need to stay. The Cardinals and more importantly, us fans, will regret it if any of these players are moved. Mo will not receive equal or better value for any of them.

[JuanAgosto]

They can at least attempt to move Helsley. They won't re-sign him and should get a decent return. And they should look to deal one of Nootbaar/Burleson/Gorman.

Mo saying he doesn't want to impact the future roster tells me Bloom is not getting equal say. He could easily ask Chaim which players can be dealt. Or it's just Mo using a new excuse to do nothing. He's had several over the last 17 years.

Moving any pending FA has zero effect on the future roster. Maton Helsley Fedde and Mikolas all need to go. I think Helsely accepts a QO for over $20m and the. We end up with the same team next season

I agree with you. Unless they want to re-sign Maton, I think all should be made available.

[Youboughtit]

What does Houston have in their system? they are contending and need a left handed bat and a starter with a pulse --- what do you think you could get for burleson and fedde? would you and do you trust whomever is in charge downtown to get enough in return?

Houston's farm system is awful- I mean desolate- like, Los Angeles Angels bad.

The Rangers could use a LF, RF, or a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Mariners badly need offense and could use a RF or a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Red Sox need a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Giants need a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Royals are desperate for offense from any OF position. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Twins need a corner OF or a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Guardians need offense and a RF. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Blue Jays could use a LF. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Padres are in tears looking for a LF with an OPS over .600. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Phillies offensive production from LF has been awful. They've got Burleson written all over them. And last, but not least, even the mighty Dodgers are getting terrible production from Michael Conforto in LF. Yes, the Dodgers have Burleson written all over them. We don't need to take the dregs of the Houston farm system. There is a match for Burleson. When you get him moved, move Noot to one of the others needing OF help.

Burleson may be our best hitter currently not named Donovan but he really is a jag --- no position and while his offense is decent it really isn't for the 2 positions he can truly play -- dh and 1b. His value is as high as it will likely ever be so they really need to strike while they can there. Fedde is a competent/decent pitcher who you will have to pay a prorated portion of 6 million for the rest of the season. I would think there is a line of teams who would want those two.

He’s LH and they have to get a RH power bat for RF. So what’s your plan for him to get ABs next year with Donovan in LF and Wetherholt at 2B. Is seems like 2-3 of Nootbar Donovan Burleson Walker and Gorman have to go

thats why you trade burleson now unless you believe he is part of the future --- other than Donovan he has the most value of any of those guys right now. you trade guys when other teams want them and will pay.

Small markets may be willing to take Gorman and Walker for a SP because of cost control

I could see a Jordan Walker for Taj Bradley kind of trade with TB. I’m not sure I’m ready to give up Walker yet, but that might be an interesting change of scenery deal for both sides.

I’d rather send them Gorman, or Nootbaar. To me, you don’t trade away your best hitters for anything that’s not equal or better than what you’re giving up. Herrera, Donovan, Winn, Burleson, and Walker need to stay. The Cardinals and more importantly, us fans, will regret it if any of these players are moved. Mo will not receive equal or better value for any of them.

No but there is not room for them when Wetherholt takes 2B


C Pages
1B Contreras
2B Wetherholt (2026 at the latest)
SS Winn
3B Areanado
LF Donovan
CF Scott
RF RH power bat ?
DH Hererra

Bench
Gorman
Walker
Burleson
Nootbar
Backup C

Maybe that makes it more clear. That’s how I see it. Use those Bench peices to get the RH power bat because Wetherholt is also LH and creates too many LH.

[45s]

They can at least attempt to move Helsley. They won't re-sign him and should get a decent return. And they should look to deal one of Nootbaar/Burleson/Gorman.

Mo saying he doesn't want to impact the future roster tells me Bloom is not getting equal say. He could easily ask Chaim which players can be dealt. Or it's just Mo using a new excuse to do nothing. He's had several over the last 17 years.

Moving any pending FA has zero effect on the future roster. Maton Helsley Fedde and Mikolas all need to go. I think Helsely accepts a QO for over $20m and the. We end up with the same team next season

I agree with you. Unless they want to re-sign Maton, I think all should be made available.

They can trade Maton and still resign him…

[JuanAgosto]

They can at least attempt to move Helsley. They won't re-sign him and should get a decent return. And they should look to deal one of Nootbaar/Burleson/Gorman.

Mo saying he doesn't want to impact the future roster tells me Bloom is not getting equal say. He could easily ask Chaim which players can be dealt. Or it's just Mo using a new excuse to do nothing. He's had several over the last 17 years.

Moving any pending FA has zero effect on the future roster. Maton Helsley Fedde and Mikolas all need to go. I think Helsely accepts a QO for over $20m and the. We end up with the same team next season

I agree with you. Unless they want to re-sign Maton, I think all should be made available.

They can trade Maton and still resign him…

True

[45s]

They can at least attempt to move Helsley. They won't re-sign him and should get a decent return. And they should look to deal one of Nootbaar/Burleson/Gorman.

Mo saying he doesn't want to impact the future roster tells me Bloom is not getting equal say. He could easily ask Chaim which players can be dealt. Or it's just Mo using a new excuse to do nothing. He's had several over the last 17 years.

Moving any pending FA has zero effect on the future roster. Maton Helsley Fedde and Mikolas all need to go. I think Helsely accepts a QO for over $20m and the. We end up with the same team next season

I agree with you. Unless they want to re-sign Maton, I think all should be made available.

They can trade Maton and still resign him…

True

I think he’s a valuable chip…..the club should cash in that chip for the future….

Then take a run at him in the winter..

[Futuregm2]

What does Houston have in their system? they are contending and need a left handed bat and a starter with a pulse --- what do you think you could get for burleson and fedde? would you and do you trust whomever is in charge downtown to get enough in return?

Houston's farm system is awful- I mean desolate- like, Los Angeles Angels bad.

The Rangers could use a LF, RF, or a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Mariners badly need offense and could use a RF or a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Red Sox need a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Giants need a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Royals are desperate for offense from any OF position. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Twins need a corner OF or a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Guardians need offense and a RF. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Blue Jays could use a LF. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Padres are in tears looking for a LF with an OPS over .600. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Phillies offensive production from LF has been awful. They've got Burleson written all over them. And last, but not least, even the mighty Dodgers are getting terrible production from Michael Conforto in LF. Yes, the Dodgers have Burleson written all over them. We don't need to take the dregs of the Houston farm system. There is a match for Burleson. When you get him moved, move Noot to one of the others needing OF help.

Burleson may be our best hitter currently not named Donovan but he really is a jag --- no position and while his offense is decent it really isn't for the 2 positions he can truly play -- dh and 1b. His value is as high as it will likely ever be so they really need to strike while they can there. Fedde is a competent/decent pitcher who you will have to pay a prorated portion of 6 million for the rest of the season. I would think there is a line of teams who would want those two.

He’s LH and they have to get a RH power bat for RF. So what’s your plan for him to get ABs next year with Donovan in LF and Wetherholt at 2B. Is seems like 2-3 of Nootbar Donovan Burleson Walker and Gorman have to go

thats why you trade burleson now unless you believe he is part of the future --- other than Donovan he has the most value of any of those guys right now. you trade guys when other teams want them and will pay.

Small markets may be willing to take Gorman and Walker for a SP because of cost control

I could see a Jordan Walker for Taj Bradley kind of trade with TB. I’m not sure I’m ready to give up Walker yet, but that might be an interesting change of scenery deal for both sides.

I’d rather send them Gorman, or Nootbaar. To me, you don’t trade away your best hitters for anything that’s not equal or better than what you’re giving up. Herrera, Donovan, Winn, Burleson, and Walker need to stay. The Cardinals and more importantly, us fans, will regret it if any of these players are moved. Mo will not receive equal or better value for any of them.

No but there is not room for them when Wetherholt takes 2B


C Pages
1B Contreras
2B Wetherholt (2026 at the latest)
SS Winn
3B Areanado
LF Donovan
CF Scott
RF RH power bat ?
DH Hererra

Bench
Gorman
Walker
Burleson
Nootbar
Backup C

Maybe that makes it more clear. That’s how I see it. Use those Bench peices to get the RH power bat because Wetherholt is also LH and creates too many LH.

Too many LH Batters? The lineup you just listed already has 5 RH bats without putting in a RH power bat in RF. Do we need 6 RH bats in the every day lineup to be able to hit 25% of the pitchers out there?


How I would like to see the lineup at worst case

2026 lineup
1 3B/LF/2B Donovan
2 2B/3B Wetherholt
3 DH Herrera
4 LF/3B power bat (could be LH or RH, the best one that you can find)
5 1B Contreras
6 RF Burleson
7 SS Winn
8 C Pages/Crooks
9 CF Scott II

They need to get a RH hitter that can platoon with Burleson, but that doesn’t have to be a main player to target, that could be a Grichuk like guy. They also need to find one to platoon with Donovan (.601 OPS this year vs LHP and sucks in his past). The main bat to hit in the middle of the lineup should be the best one they get, no matter what they swing.

They have 3 holes that can’t hit LHP well

Career OPS
Donovan- .650
Burleson- .545
Scott - .517

It shouldn’t be hard to find 2 or 3 players to hit vs LHP for those guys. For Donovan it might be Saggese. For the others it might be someone outside the organization.

[Youboughtit]

What does Houston have in their system? they are contending and need a left handed bat and a starter with a pulse --- what do you think you could get for burleson and fedde? would you and do you trust whomever is in charge downtown to get enough in return?

Houston's farm system is awful- I mean desolate- like, Los Angeles Angels bad.

The Rangers could use a LF, RF, or a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Mariners badly need offense and could use a RF or a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Red Sox need a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Giants need a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Royals are desperate for offense from any OF position. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Twins need a corner OF or a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Guardians need offense and a RF. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Blue Jays could use a LF. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Padres are in tears looking for a LF with an OPS over .600. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Phillies offensive production from LF has been awful. They've got Burleson written all over them. And last, but not least, even the mighty Dodgers are getting terrible production from Michael Conforto in LF. Yes, the Dodgers have Burleson written all over them. We don't need to take the dregs of the Houston farm system. There is a match for Burleson. When you get him moved, move Noot to one of the others needing OF help.

Burleson may be our best hitter currently not named Donovan but he really is a jag --- no position and while his offense is decent it really isn't for the 2 positions he can truly play -- dh and 1b. His value is as high as it will likely ever be so they really need to strike while they can there. Fedde is a competent/decent pitcher who you will have to pay a prorated portion of 6 million for the rest of the season. I would think there is a line of teams who would want those two.

He’s LH and they have to get a RH power bat for RF. So what’s your plan for him to get ABs next year with Donovan in LF and Wetherholt at 2B. Is seems like 2-3 of Nootbar Donovan Burleson Walker and Gorman have to go

thats why you trade burleson now unless you believe he is part of the future --- other than Donovan he has the most value of any of those guys right now. you trade guys when other teams want them and will pay.

Small markets may be willing to take Gorman and Walker for a SP because of cost control

I could see a Jordan Walker for Taj Bradley kind of trade with TB. I’m not sure I’m ready to give up Walker yet, but that might be an interesting change of scenery deal for both sides.

I’d rather send them Gorman, or Nootbaar. To me, you don’t trade away your best hitters for anything that’s not equal or better than what you’re giving up. Herrera, Donovan, Winn, Burleson, and Walker need to stay. The Cardinals and more importantly, us fans, will regret it if any of these players are moved. Mo will not receive equal or better value for any of them.

No but there is not room for them when Wetherholt takes 2B


C Pages
1B Contreras
2B Wetherholt (2026 at the latest)
SS Winn
3B Areanado
LF Donovan
CF Scott
RF RH power bat ?
DH Hererra

Bench
Gorman
Walker
Burleson
Nootbar
Backup C

Maybe that makes it more clear. That’s how I see it. Use those Bench peices to get the RH power bat because Wetherholt is also LH and creates too many LH.

Too many LH Batters? The lineup you just listed already has 5 RH bats without putting in a RH power bat in RF. Do we need 6 RH bats in the every day lineup to be able to hit 25% of the pitchers out there?


How I would like to see the lineup at worst case

2026 lineup
1 3B/LF/2B Donovan
2 2B/3B Wetherholt
3 DH Herrera
4 LF/3B power bat (could be LH or RH, the best one that you can find)
5 1B Contreras
6 RF Burleson
7 SS Winn
8 C Pages/Crooks
9 CF Scott II

They need to get a RH hitter that can platoon with Burleson, but that doesn’t have to be a main player to target, that could be a Grichuk like guy. They also need to find one to platoon with Donovan (.601 OPS this year vs LHP and sucks in his past). The main bat to hit in the middle of the lineup should be the best one they get, no matter what they swing.

They have 3 holes that can’t hit LHP well

Career OPS
Donovan- .650
Burleson- .545
Scott - .517

It shouldn’t be hard to find 2 or 3 players to hit vs LHP for those guys. For Donovan it might be Saggese. For the others it might be someone outside the organization.

1 decent RH bat in Hererra does nothing. That’s the problem. The RH bats they do have are BAD. So what’s your plan for Gorman Nootbar and Walker. IMO they will not be relegated to bench pieces being so young. Nootbars metrics make him a nice player for a contender that has stars. I am saying move those 3 for that elite RH power bat that plays every day. This lineup needs a 35/100 guy somewhere. They have nice pieces other than the superstar

[Futuregm2]

What does Houston have in their system? they are contending and need a left handed bat and a starter with a pulse --- what do you think you could get for burleson and fedde? would you and do you trust whomever is in charge downtown to get enough in return?

Houston's farm system is awful- I mean desolate- like, Los Angeles Angels bad.

The Rangers could use a LF, RF, or a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Mariners badly need offense and could use a RF or a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Red Sox need a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Giants need a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Royals are desperate for offense from any OF position. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Twins need a corner OF or a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Guardians need offense and a RF. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Blue Jays could use a LF. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Padres are in tears looking for a LF with an OPS over .600. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Phillies offensive production from LF has been awful. They've got Burleson written all over them. And last, but not least, even the mighty Dodgers are getting terrible production from Michael Conforto in LF. Yes, the Dodgers have Burleson written all over them. We don't need to take the dregs of the Houston farm system. There is a match for Burleson. When you get him moved, move Noot to one of the others needing OF help.

Burleson may be our best hitter currently not named Donovan but he really is a jag --- no position and while his offense is decent it really isn't for the 2 positions he can truly play -- dh and 1b. His value is as high as it will likely ever be so they really need to strike while they can there. Fedde is a competent/decent pitcher who you will have to pay a prorated portion of 6 million for the rest of the season. I would think there is a line of teams who would want those two.

He’s LH and they have to get a RH power bat for RF. So what’s your plan for him to get ABs next year with Donovan in LF and Wetherholt at 2B. Is seems like 2-3 of Nootbar Donovan Burleson Walker and Gorman have to go

thats why you trade burleson now unless you believe he is part of the future --- other than Donovan he has the most value of any of those guys right now. you trade guys when other teams want them and will pay.

Small markets may be willing to take Gorman and Walker for a SP because of cost control

I could see a Jordan Walker for Taj Bradley kind of trade with TB. I’m not sure I’m ready to give up Walker yet, but that might be an interesting change of scenery deal for both sides.

I’d rather send them Gorman, or Nootbaar. To me, you don’t trade away your best hitters for anything that’s not equal or better than what you’re giving up. Herrera, Donovan, Winn, Burleson, and Walker need to stay. The Cardinals and more importantly, us fans, will regret it if any of these players are moved. Mo will not receive equal or better value for any of them.

No but there is not room for them when Wetherholt takes 2B


C Pages
1B Contreras
2B Wetherholt (2026 at the latest)
SS Winn
3B Areanado
LF Donovan
CF Scott
RF RH power bat ?
DH Hererra

Bench
Gorman
Walker
Burleson
Nootbar
Backup C

Maybe that makes it more clear. That’s how I see it. Use those Bench peices to get the RH power bat because Wetherholt is also LH and creates too many LH.

Too many LH Batters? The lineup you just listed already has 5 RH bats without putting in a RH power bat in RF. Do we need 6 RH bats in the every day lineup to be able to hit 25% of the pitchers out there?


How I would like to see the lineup at worst case

2026 lineup
1 3B/LF/2B Donovan
2 2B/3B Wetherholt
3 DH Herrera
4 LF/3B power bat (could be LH or RH, the best one that you can find)
5 1B Contreras
6 RF Burleson
7 SS Winn
8 C Pages/Crooks
9 CF Scott II

They need to get a RH hitter that can platoon with Burleson, but that doesn’t have to be a main player to target, that could be a Grichuk like guy. They also need to find one to platoon with Donovan (.601 OPS this year vs LHP and sucks in his past). The main bat to hit in the middle of the lineup should be the best one they get, no matter what they swing.

They have 3 holes that can’t hit LHP well

Career OPS
Donovan- .650
Burleson- .545
Scott - .517

It shouldn’t be hard to find 2 or 3 players to hit vs LHP for those guys. For Donovan it might be Saggese. For the others it might be someone outside the organization.

1 decent RH bat in Hererra does nothing. That’s the problem. The RH bats they do have are BAD. So what’s your plan for Gorman Nootbar and Walker. IMO they will not be relegated to bench pieces being so young. Nootbars metrics make him a nice player for a contender that has stars. I am saying move those 3 for that elite RH power bat that plays every day. This lineup needs a 35/100 guy somewhere. They have nice pieces other than the superstar

Who’s the elite bat that you’re trading for? Hint: I don’t see an elite bat being traded for those players.

And I guess Contreras isn’t good anymore? He’s RH. You’ve got a perfect spot between Herrera and Contreras for a LH bat. Or RH, but I know Oli likes to alternate. Put Wetherholt 2nd ahead of Herrera next year. Then Burly (or Noot) is good as a 6th hitter vs RHP and we keep the LH/RH going.

Cardinals have 1,157 PA vs LHP and 2,514 PA vs RHP. So you’re really worried about a number that is less than half of the other number.

Again, get a platoon to go with Burly and a platoon to go with Donovan. But the middle of the order bat should be whatever they can get and honestly I would prefer it to be a LH bat.

[Youboughtit]

Houston's farm system is awful- I mean desolate- like, Los Angeles Angels bad.

The Rangers could use a LF, RF, or a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Mariners badly need offense and could use a RF or a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Red Sox need a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Giants need a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Royals are desperate for offense from any OF position. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Twins need a corner OF or a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Guardians need offense and a RF. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Blue Jays could use a LF. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Padres are in tears looking for a LF with an OPS over .600. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Phillies offensive production from LF has been awful. They've got Burleson written all over them. And last, but not least, even the mighty Dodgers are getting terrible production from Michael Conforto in LF. Yes, the Dodgers have Burleson written all over them. We don't need to take the dregs of the Houston farm system. There is a match for Burleson. When you get him moved, move Noot to one of the others needing OF help.

Burleson may be our best hitter currently not named Donovan but he really is a jag --- no position and while his offense is decent it really isn't for the 2 positions he can truly play -- dh and 1b. His value is as high as it will likely ever be so they really need to strike while they can there. Fedde is a competent/decent pitcher who you will have to pay a prorated portion of 6 million for the rest of the season. I would think there is a line of teams who would want those two.

He’s LH and they have to get a RH power bat for RF. So what’s your plan for him to get ABs next year with Donovan in LF and Wetherholt at 2B. Is seems like 2-3 of Nootbar Donovan Burleson Walker and Gorman have to go

thats why you trade burleson now unless you believe he is part of the future --- other than Donovan he has the most value of any of those guys right now. you trade guys when other teams want them and will pay.

Small markets may be willing to take Gorman and Walker for a SP because of cost control

I could see a Jordan Walker for Taj Bradley kind of trade with TB. I’m not sure I’m ready to give up Walker yet, but that might be an interesting change of scenery deal for both sides.

I’d rather send them Gorman, or Nootbaar. To me, you don’t trade away your best hitters for anything that’s not equal or better than what you’re giving up. Herrera, Donovan, Winn, Burleson, and Walker need to stay. The Cardinals and more importantly, us fans, will regret it if any of these players are moved. Mo will not receive equal or better value for any of them.

No but there is not room for them when Wetherholt takes 2B


C Pages
1B Contreras
2B Wetherholt (2026 at the latest)
SS Winn
3B Areanado
LF Donovan
CF Scott
RF RH power bat ?
DH Hererra

Bench
Gorman
Walker
Burleson
Nootbar
Backup C

Maybe that makes it more clear. That’s how I see it. Use those Bench peices to get the RH power bat because Wetherholt is also LH and creates too many LH.

Too many LH Batters? The lineup you just listed already has 5 RH bats without putting in a RH power bat in RF. Do we need 6 RH bats in the every day lineup to be able to hit 25% of the pitchers out there?


How I would like to see the lineup at worst case

2026 lineup
1 3B/LF/2B Donovan
2 2B/3B Wetherholt
3 DH Herrera
4 LF/3B power bat (could be LH or RH, the best one that you can find)
5 1B Contreras
6 RF Burleson
7 SS Winn
8 C Pages/Crooks
9 CF Scott II

They need to get a RH hitter that can platoon with Burleson, but that doesn’t have to be a main player to target, that could be a Grichuk like guy. They also need to find one to platoon with Donovan (.601 OPS this year vs LHP and sucks in his past). The main bat to hit in the middle of the lineup should be the best one they get, no matter what they swing.

They have 3 holes that can’t hit LHP well

Career OPS
Donovan- .650
Burleson- .545
Scott - .517

It shouldn’t be hard to find 2 or 3 players to hit vs LHP for those guys. For Donovan it might be Saggese. For the others it might be someone outside the organization.

1 decent RH bat in Hererra does nothing. That’s the problem. The RH bats they do have are BAD. So what’s your plan for Gorman Nootbar and Walker. IMO they will not be relegated to bench pieces being so young. Nootbars metrics make him a nice player for a contender that has stars. I am saying move those 3 for that elite RH power bat that plays every day. This lineup needs a 35/100 guy somewhere. They have nice pieces other than the superstar

Who’s the elite bat that you’re trading for? Hint: I don’t see an elite bat being traded for those players.

And I guess Contreras isn’t good anymore? He’s RH. You’ve got a perfect spot between Herrera and Contreras for a LH bat. Or RH, but I know Oli likes to alternate. Put Wetherholt 2nd ahead of Herrera next year. Then Burly (or Noot) is good as a 6th hitter vs RHP and we keep the LH/RH going.

Cardinals have 1,157 PA vs LHP and 2,514 PA vs RHP. So you’re really worried about a number that is less than half of the other number.

Again, get a platoon to go with Burly and a platoon to go with Donovan. But the middle of the order bat should be whatever they can get and honestly I would prefer it to be a LH bat.

You trade anyone you can to get a superstar then figure it out. Someone that sells tickets and anchors the lineup. You must like a lineup of average players. Those guys are fine when there is a MOTO player to anchor. Without that player this will not be a legit contender. They can be found. Jus takes a ownership willing to pay

[Futuregm2]

The Rangers could use a LF, RF, or a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Mariners badly need offense and could use a RF or a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Red Sox need a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Giants need a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Royals are desperate for offense from any OF position. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Twins need a corner OF or a 1B. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Guardians need offense and a RF. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Blue Jays could use a LF. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Padres are in tears looking for a LF with an OPS over .600. They've got Burleson written all over them. The Phillies offensive production from LF has been awful. They've got Burleson written all over them. And last, but not least, even the mighty Dodgers are getting terrible production from Michael Conforto in LF. Yes, the Dodgers have Burleson written all over them. We don't need to take the dregs of the Houston farm system. There is a match for Burleson. When you get him moved, move Noot to one of the others needing OF help.

Burleson may be our best hitter currently not named Donovan but he really is a jag --- no position and while his offense is decent it really isn't for the 2 positions he can truly play -- dh and 1b. His value is as high as it will likely ever be so they really need to strike while they can there. Fedde is a competent/decent pitcher who you will have to pay a prorated portion of 6 million for the rest of the season. I would think there is a line of teams who would want those two.

He’s LH and they have to get a RH power bat for RF. So what’s your plan for him to get ABs next year with Donovan in LF and Wetherholt at 2B. Is seems like 2-3 of Nootbar Donovan Burleson Walker and Gorman have to go

thats why you trade burleson now unless you believe he is part of the future --- other than Donovan he has the most value of any of those guys right now. you trade guys when other teams want them and will pay.

Small markets may be willing to take Gorman and Walker for a SP because of cost control

I could see a Jordan Walker for Taj Bradley kind of trade with TB. I’m not sure I’m ready to give up Walker yet, but that might be an interesting change of scenery deal for both sides.

I’d rather send them Gorman, or Nootbaar. To me, you don’t trade away your best hitters for anything that’s not equal or better than what you’re giving up. Herrera, Donovan, Winn, Burleson, and Walker need to stay. The Cardinals and more importantly, us fans, will regret it if any of these players are moved. Mo will not receive equal or better value for any of them.

No but there is not room for them when Wetherholt takes 2B


C Pages
1B Contreras
2B Wetherholt (2026 at the latest)
SS Winn
3B Areanado
LF Donovan
CF Scott
RF RH power bat ?
DH Hererra

Bench
Gorman
Walker
Burleson
Nootbar
Backup C

Maybe that makes it more clear. That’s how I see it. Use those Bench peices to get the RH power bat because Wetherholt is also LH and creates too many LH.

Too many LH Batters? The lineup you just listed already has 5 RH bats without putting in a RH power bat in RF. Do we need 6 RH bats in the every day lineup to be able to hit 25% of the pitchers out there?


How I would like to see the lineup at worst case

2026 lineup
1 3B/LF/2B Donovan
2 2B/3B Wetherholt
3 DH Herrera
4 LF/3B power bat (could be LH or RH, the best one that you can find)
5 1B Contreras
6 RF Burleson
7 SS Winn
8 C Pages/Crooks
9 CF Scott II

They need to get a RH hitter that can platoon with Burleson, but that doesn’t have to be a main player to target, that could be a Grichuk like guy. They also need to find one to platoon with Donovan (.601 OPS this year vs LHP and sucks in his past). The main bat to hit in the middle of the lineup should be the best one they get, no matter what they swing.

They have 3 holes that can’t hit LHP well

Career OPS
Donovan- .650
Burleson- .545
Scott - .517

It shouldn’t be hard to find 2 or 3 players to hit vs LHP for those guys. For Donovan it might be Saggese. For the others it might be someone outside the organization.

1 decent RH bat in Hererra does nothing. That’s the problem. The RH bats they do have are BAD. So what’s your plan for Gorman Nootbar and Walker. IMO they will not be relegated to bench pieces being so young. Nootbars metrics make him a nice player for a contender that has stars. I am saying move those 3 for that elite RH power bat that plays every day. This lineup needs a 35/100 guy somewhere. They have nice pieces other than the superstar

Who’s the elite bat that you’re trading for? Hint: I don’t see an elite bat being traded for those players.

And I guess Contreras isn’t good anymore? He’s RH. You’ve got a perfect spot between Herrera and Contreras for a LH bat. Or RH, but I know Oli likes to alternate. Put Wetherholt 2nd ahead of Herrera next year. Then Burly (or Noot) is good as a 6th hitter vs RHP and we keep the LH/RH going.

Cardinals have 1,157 PA vs LHP and 2,514 PA vs RHP. So you’re really worried about a number that is less than half of the other number.

Again, get a platoon to go with Burly and a platoon to go with Donovan. But the middle of the order bat should be whatever they can get and honestly I would prefer it to be a LH bat.

You trade anyone you can to get a superstar then figure it out. Someone that sells tickets and anchors the lineup. You must like a lineup of average players. Those guys are fine when there is a MOTO player to anchor. Without that player this will not be a legit contender. They can be found. Jus takes a ownership willing to pay

I don’t, I’m just realistic. The superstars I see out there that would anchor this lineup for years to come aren’t being traded. And the ones that enter FA like Kyle Tucker are going to cost $400-500 million or more and Dewitt isn’t going to pay that. So we will have to hope that Wetherholt becomes that superstar and Walker or Gorman figure something out. Or Bloom finds a diamond in the rough. Believe me I would love to see a superstar in the lineup. But it may be a little bit before we get that. I’m crossing my fingers that Wetherholt turns into something like it while knowing that Walker and Gorman both showed glimpses of that and neither has panned out so far.

[Jatalk]

Open up to dealing Noot or Walker, maybe even a prospect like Crooks if the right buy/sell trade is here. This deadline is going to have a lot of good baseball trades that that don't fit the traditional buyer/seller template. Trades that help both sides.

Noot? Walker? See the thing is to sell you have to have a buyer. Who wants those two or who is going to give up much for those two?

You make a point that many fail to grasp. There’s an assumption we’re going to sell off unproven or underperforming players and get some huge haul of prospects that are going to help us contend within 1-2 years. This team needs to compensate for recent failures by upping payroll. Otherwise brace for 4-5 years of losing as it will get worse before it gets better.

Wetherholt will be at 2B next season. Donovan to LF. If they add to fill the giant hole in RH OF that leaves Walker Gorman Burleson Herrera and Nootbar as DH. Use 3 of them as trade peices along with possibly Aranado Helsley and Maton. They have plenty of peices to rearrange

There are subscription services to figure trade value. I just have a hard time seeing significant value in any of these. You think maybe most valuable is Herrera but he does not have a defensive position. Maybe I’m wrong.

[Jatalk]

Open up to dealing Noot or Walker, maybe even a prospect like Crooks if the right buy/sell trade is here. This deadline is going to have a lot of good baseball trades that that don't fit the traditional buyer/seller template. Trades that help both sides.

Noot? Walker? See the thing is to sell you have to have a buyer. Who wants those two or who is going to give up much for those two?

Or they have to play everyday here for another year. How do you feel about that?

I have no problem if they are gone. Just question those thinking they bring back much in return.

[Youboughtit]

Burleson may be our best hitter currently not named Donovan but he really is a jag --- no position and while his offense is decent it really isn't for the 2 positions he can truly play -- dh and 1b. His value is as high as it will likely ever be so they really need to strike while they can there. Fedde is a competent/decent pitcher who you will have to pay a prorated portion of 6 million for the rest of the season. I would think there is a line of teams who would want those two.

He’s LH and they have to get a RH power bat for RF. So what’s your plan for him to get ABs next year with Donovan in LF and Wetherholt at 2B. Is seems like 2-3 of Nootbar Donovan Burleson Walker and Gorman have to go

thats why you trade burleson now unless you believe he is part of the future --- other than Donovan he has the most value of any of those guys right now. you trade guys when other teams want them and will pay.

Small markets may be willing to take Gorman and Walker for a SP because of cost control

I could see a Jordan Walker for Taj Bradley kind of trade with TB. I’m not sure I’m ready to give up Walker yet, but that might be an interesting change of scenery deal for both sides.

I’d rather send them Gorman, or Nootbaar. To me, you don’t trade away your best hitters for anything that’s not equal or better than what you’re giving up. Herrera, Donovan, Winn, Burleson, and Walker need to stay. The Cardinals and more importantly, us fans, will regret it if any of these players are moved. Mo will not receive equal or better value for any of them.

No but there is not room for them when Wetherholt takes 2B


C Pages
1B Contreras
2B Wetherholt (2026 at the latest)
SS Winn
3B Areanado
LF Donovan
CF Scott
RF RH power bat ?
DH Hererra

Bench
Gorman
Walker
Burleson
Nootbar
Backup C

Maybe that makes it more clear. That’s how I see it. Use those Bench peices to get the RH power bat because Wetherholt is also LH and creates too many LH.

Too many LH Batters? The lineup you just listed already has 5 RH bats without putting in a RH power bat in RF. Do we need 6 RH bats in the every day lineup to be able to hit 25% of the pitchers out there?


How I would like to see the lineup at worst case

2026 lineup
1 3B/LF/2B Donovan
2 2B/3B Wetherholt
3 DH Herrera
4 LF/3B power bat (could be LH or RH, the best one that you can find)
5 1B Contreras
6 RF Burleson
7 SS Winn
8 C Pages/Crooks
9 CF Scott II

They need to get a RH hitter that can platoon with Burleson, but that doesn’t have to be a main player to target, that could be a Grichuk like guy. They also need to find one to platoon with Donovan (.601 OPS this year vs LHP and sucks in his past). The main bat to hit in the middle of the lineup should be the best one they get, no matter what they swing.

They have 3 holes that can’t hit LHP well

Career OPS
Donovan- .650
Burleson- .545
Scott - .517

It shouldn’t be hard to find 2 or 3 players to hit vs LHP for those guys. For Donovan it might be Saggese. For the others it might be someone outside the organization.

1 decent RH bat in Hererra does nothing. That’s the problem. The RH bats they do have are BAD. So what’s your plan for Gorman Nootbar and Walker. IMO they will not be relegated to bench pieces being so young. Nootbars metrics make him a nice player for a contender that has stars. I am saying move those 3 for that elite RH power bat that plays every day. This lineup needs a 35/100 guy somewhere. They have nice pieces other than the superstar

Who’s the elite bat that you’re trading for? Hint: I don’t see an elite bat being traded for those players.

And I guess Contreras isn’t good anymore? He’s RH. You’ve got a perfect spot between Herrera and Contreras for a LH bat. Or RH, but I know Oli likes to alternate. Put Wetherholt 2nd ahead of Herrera next year. Then Burly (or Noot) is good as a 6th hitter vs RHP and we keep the LH/RH going.

Cardinals have 1,157 PA vs LHP and 2,514 PA vs RHP. So you’re really worried about a number that is less than half of the other number.

Again, get a platoon to go with Burly and a platoon to go with Donovan. But the middle of the order bat should be whatever they can get and honestly I would prefer it to be a LH bat.

You trade anyone you can to get a superstar then figure it out. Someone that sells tickets and anchors the lineup. You must like a lineup of average players. Those guys are fine when there is a MOTO player to anchor. Without that player this will not be a legit contender. They can be found. Jus takes a ownership willing to pay

I don’t, I’m just realistic. The superstars I see out there that would anchor this lineup for years to come aren’t being traded. And the ones that enter FA like Kyle Tucker are going to cost $400-500 million or more and Dewitt isn’t going to pay that. So we will have to hope that Wetherholt becomes that superstar and Walker or Gorman figure something out. Or Bloom finds a diamond in the rough. Believe me I would love to see a superstar in the lineup. But it may be a little bit before we get that. I’m crossing my fingers that Wetherholt turns into something like it while knowing that Walker and Gorman both showed glimpses of that and neither has panned out so far.

Wetherholt never projected as a power hitter. They have to find one. Hererra is fine as a second best bat and they have an an abundance of good to very good role players. Alonso last year was who I wanted. His power translates to Busch. There are always guys to get. I just want aggressiveness one way or another. Buy or sell. Don’t do nothing.

[JuanAgosto]

They can at least attempt to move Helsley. They won't re-sign him and should get a decent return. And they should look to deal one of Nootbaar/Burleson/Gorman.

Mo saying he doesn't want to impact the future roster tells me Bloom is not getting equal say. He could easily ask Chaim which players can be dealt. Or it's just Mo using a new excuse to do nothing. He's had several over the last 17 years.

Moving any pending FA has zero effect on the future roster. Maton Helsley Fedde and Mikolas all need to go. I think Helsely accepts a QO for over $20m and the. We end up with the same team next season

I agree with you. Unless they want to re-sign Maton, I think all should be made available.

They can trade Maton and still resign him…

True

I think he’s a valuable chip…..the club should cash in that chip for the future….

Then take a run at him in the winter..

Would you deal Maton and Helsley if you were in charge?