The Kyrou Rumors Just Won't Die

[Younghopp1991]

Kyrou's contract as of right now is great at market value.

Based on what? Don’t just post goals and assists. GM’s determine that. He’s seen as a gamble right now. Moderate risk/high potential reward.

He is 43rd in the league in points, 26th in plus/minus, and his contract is 89th highest and drops 20+ positions every year. He is a bargain by all measures. His comparable contract value on benchrate is $8.6M so he is a +$0.5M right now and he is locked in so that number will grow every year.

No not by all measures. Not in physicality…not on leadership…is he easy to coach? Does he show up in big games? Is he perceived by scouting and GM’s as going the extra mile? How did he respond after getting paid? Lots of years left.

He’s a gamble right now. He’s no sure thing. If you’re talking 70 point sure thing … sure.

If that player ever comes together and be stronger on the puck i see him as a mackinnon-lite

[zamadoo]

Kyrou's contract as of right now is great at market value.

Based on what? Don’t just post goals and assists. GM’s determine that. He’s seen as a gamble right now. Moderate risk/high potential reward.

He is 43rd in the league in points, 26th in plus/minus, and his contract is 89th highest and drops 20+ positions every year. He is a bargain by all measures. His comparable contract value on benchrate is $8.6M so he is a +$0.5M right now and he is locked in so that number will grow every year.

No not by all measures. Not in physicality…not on leadership…is he easy to coach? Does he show up in big games? Is he perceived by scouting and GM’s as going the extra mile? How did he respond after getting paid? Lots of years left.

He’s a gamble right now. He’s no sure thing. If you’re talking 70 point sure thing … sure.

If that player ever comes together and be stronger on the puck i see him as a mackinnon-lite

Maybe he could be a Holloway-lite.

[theograce]

Kyrou's contract as of right now is great at market value.

Based on what? Don’t just post goals and assists. GM’s determine that. He’s seen as a gamble right now. Moderate risk/high potential reward.

He is 43rd in the league in points, 26th in plus/minus, and his contract is 89th highest and drops 20+ positions every year. He is a bargain by all measures. His comparable contract value on benchrate is $8.6M so he is a +$0.5M right now and he is locked in so that number will grow every year.

No not by all measures. Not in physicality…not on leadership…is he easy to coach? Does he show up in big games? Is he perceived by scouting and GM’s as going the extra mile? How did he respond after getting paid? Lots of years left.

He’s a gamble right now. He’s no sure thing. If you’re talking 70 point sure thing … sure.

If that player ever comes together and be stronger on the puck i see him as a mackinnon-lite

Nate has an inner drive that Kyrou will never match. That’s not a dig at Kyrou

[bluetunehead]

Kyrou's contract as of right now is great at market value.

Based on what? Don’t just post goals and assists. GM’s determine that. He’s seen as a gamble right now. Moderate risk/high potential reward.

He is 43rd in the league in points, 26th in plus/minus, and his contract is 89th highest and drops 20+ positions every year. He is a bargain by all measures. His comparable contract value on benchrate is $8.6M so he is a +$0.5M right now and he is locked in so that number will grow every year.

No not by all measures. Not in physicality…not on leadership…is he easy to coach? Does he show up in big games? Is he perceived by scouting and GM’s as going the extra mile? How did he respond after getting paid? Lots of years left.

He’s a gamble right now. He’s no sure thing. If you’re talking 70 point sure thing … sure.

The player you're describing isn't going to be signing a Kyrou-level contract in the next few years. He either already makes more than Kyrou, or he will when his next deal comes up. That's what you're ignoring in this conversation. Is Kyrou an elite all-around player? No. There are holes in his game for sure. But that's true of all but about 15 forwards in the NHL maybe? And the vast majority do or will be making more soon enough.

And you’re ignoring what I posted in terms of value. Petterson’s value went down (along with Miller’s) because of the question marks around them. Value isn’t determined by mere stats.

How many top 6 wingers bring all of what you describe and what do they make?

You’re still ignoring it. He played a big role in a cup coach being fired. For Berube to say the things he did publicly was crazy. You never hear a coach say that…like ever.

He was weird publicly (said some weird stuff and cried) and has been criticized by his own management. He has yet to prove he can be a 200 foot player and there are character uncertainties. He’s talented. Everyone knows that.

This is a big year for him

I’m not ignoring it. I’m asking you what the value is of a Top 6 winger who has all of the qualities that you’re suggesting are question marks for Kyrou. What’s that player’s market value? That’s what this whole quote chain started with. It was about market value. So what is it for the Top 6 winger that can do it all? Can score 35 goals and 75 points with great intangibles, physical play, shows up big in the postseason, etc. Who are those players and what do they earn? What is their value?

[Harry York 37]

Do people think Kyrou's contract is bad value? He would get 9 in free agency. His age related decline will be outpaced by the rising cap. I bet his contract looks even better than it does now in two years.

I also am surprised no one believes Holloway's performance is not partially due to his chemistry with Kyrou. They, together, elevated Schenn to a serviceable number two center.

To a great degree, Holloway did benefit immeasurably by his promotion to the second line. He started the season by turning 23, boasting 90 NHL Games over two seasons playing behind a very strong veteran roster. His ATOI was around 11 minutes, both seasons combined. I felt he was on schedule to bloom, with this past year being the season of "potential", and I am certain Kyrou added some fine nutrients. As did the Captain.
I remember it this way, and am happily corrected if my memory needs help:
They benched Saad from the Second Line for lollygaggin' and he responded with a hat trick. Then... he let his desire fade again... so they waived the guy. What is funny, is that I remember that being framed as a way to get Texier on the second line. Texier did pretty well for a couple games and left the lineup in a Wally Pipp manor. So- Holloway ONLY got the second line minutes because Saad and Texier couldn't hold their positions down.

That was a series of fortunate events.

[rezero]

Kyrou's contract as of right now is great at market value.

Based on what? Don’t just post goals and assists. GM’s determine that. He’s seen as a gamble right now. Moderate risk/high potential reward.

He is 43rd in the league in points, 26th in plus/minus, and his contract is 89th highest and drops 20+ positions every year. He is a bargain by all measures. His comparable contract value on benchrate is $8.6M so he is a +$0.5M right now and he is locked in so that number will grow every year.

No not by all measures. Not in physicality…not on leadership…is he easy to coach? Does he show up in big games? Is he perceived by scouting and GM’s as going the extra mile? How did he respond after getting paid? Lots of years left.

He’s a gamble right now. He’s no sure thing. If you’re talking 70 point sure thing … sure.

The player you're describing isn't going to be signing a Kyrou-level contract in the next few years. He either already makes more than Kyrou, or he will when his next deal comes up. That's what you're ignoring in this conversation. Is Kyrou an elite all-around player? No. There are holes in his game for sure. But that's true of all but about 15 forwards in the NHL maybe? And the vast majority do or will be making more soon enough.

And you’re ignoring what I posted in terms of value. Petterson’s value went down (along with Miller’s) because of the question marks around them. Value isn’t determined by mere stats.

How many top 6 wingers bring all of what you describe and what do they make?

For Berube to say the things he did publicly was crazy. You never hear a coach say that…like ever.

Please elaborate on what Berube said about Kyrou (and back it up with an actual link)?

[theograce]

Kyrou's contract as of right now is great at market value.

Based on what? Don’t just post goals and assists. GM’s determine that. He’s seen as a gamble right now. Moderate risk/high potential reward.

He is 43rd in the league in points, 26th in plus/minus, and his contract is 89th highest and drops 20+ positions every year. He is a bargain by all measures. His comparable contract value on benchrate is $8.6M so he is a +$0.5M right now and he is locked in so that number will grow every year.

No not by all measures. Not in physicality…not on leadership…is he easy to coach? Does he show up in big games? Is he perceived by scouting and GM’s as going the extra mile? How did he respond after getting paid? Lots of years left.

He’s a gamble right now. He’s no sure thing. If you’re talking 70 point sure thing … sure.

The player you're describing isn't going to be signing a Kyrou-level contract in the next few years. He either already makes more than Kyrou, or he will when his next deal comes up. That's what you're ignoring in this conversation. Is Kyrou an elite all-around player? No. There are holes in his game for sure. But that's true of all but about 15 forwards in the NHL maybe? And the vast majority do or will be making more soon enough.

And you’re ignoring what I posted in terms of value. Petterson’s value went down (along with Miller’s) because of the question marks around them. Value isn’t determined by mere stats.

How many top 6 wingers bring all of what you describe and what do they make?

You’re still ignoring it. He played a big role in a cup coach being fired. For Berube to say the things he did publicly was crazy. You never hear a coach say that…like ever.

He was weird publicly (said some weird stuff and cried) and has been criticized by his own management. He has yet to prove he can be a 200 foot player and there are character uncertainties. He’s talented. Everyone knows that.

This is a big year for him

I’m not ignoring it. I’m asking you what the value is of a Top 6 winger who has all of the qualities that you’re suggesting are question marks for Kyrou. What’s that player’s market value? That’s what this whole quote chain started with. It was about market value. So what is it for the Top 6 winger that can do it all? Can score 35 goals and 75 points with great intangibles, physical play, shows up big in the postseason, etc. Who are those players and what do they earn? What is their value?

We are talking about Kyrou. We are talking about what what is significant for him. He’s a winger and you have to be super significant as a winger for a big return. Plus all his baggage and black eyes and questions.

You just keep talking about points. When it’s 50 million of your dollars over many years, a little more nuance is involved

[bluetunehead]

Kyrou's contract as of right now is great at market value.

Based on what? Don’t just post goals and assists. GM’s determine that. He’s seen as a gamble right now. Moderate risk/high potential reward.

He is 43rd in the league in points, 26th in plus/minus, and his contract is 89th highest and drops 20+ positions every year. He is a bargain by all measures. His comparable contract value on benchrate is $8.6M so he is a +$0.5M right now and he is locked in so that number will grow every year.

No not by all measures. Not in physicality…not on leadership…is he easy to coach? Does he show up in big games? Is he perceived by scouting and GM’s as going the extra mile? How did he respond after getting paid? Lots of years left.

He’s a gamble right now. He’s no sure thing. If you’re talking 70 point sure thing … sure.

The player you're describing isn't going to be signing a Kyrou-level contract in the next few years. He either already makes more than Kyrou, or he will when his next deal comes up. That's what you're ignoring in this conversation. Is Kyrou an elite all-around player? No. There are holes in his game for sure. But that's true of all but about 15 forwards in the NHL maybe? And the vast majority do or will be making more soon enough.

And you’re ignoring what I posted in terms of value. Petterson’s value went down (along with Miller’s) because of the question marks around them. Value isn’t determined by mere stats.

How many top 6 wingers bring all of what you describe and what do they make?

You’re still ignoring it. He played a big role in a cup coach being fired. For Berube to say the things he did publicly was crazy. You never hear a coach say that…like ever.

He was weird publicly (said some weird stuff and cried) and has been criticized by his own management. He has yet to prove he can be a 200 foot player and there are character uncertainties. He’s talented. Everyone knows that.

This is a big year for him

I’m not ignoring it. I’m asking you what the value is of a Top 6 winger who has all of the qualities that you’re suggesting are question marks for Kyrou. What’s that player’s market value? That’s what this whole quote chain started with. It was about market value. So what is it for the Top 6 winger that can do it all? Can score 35 goals and 75 points with great intangibles, physical play, shows up big in the postseason, etc. Who are those players and what do they earn? What is their value?

We are talking about Kyrou. We are talking about what what is significant for him. He’s a winger and you have to be super significant as a winger for a big return. Plus all his baggage and black eyes and questions.

You just keep talking about points. When it’s 50 million of your dollars over many years, a little more nuance is involved

No I’m literally asking you which players in the league bring it all? Name them. All you’re interested in doing is playing devils advocate to cast doubt on Kyrou. So name the players who bring every other aspect to the team and game that he doesn’t bring? Who are they? What do they make?

My point which you continually ignore, is that those guys are incredibly rare. Few and far between, and will almost universally earn more than Kyrou either now or very soon.

[rezero]

Kyrou's contract as of right now is great at market value.

Based on what? Don’t just post goals and assists. GM’s determine that. He’s seen as a gamble right now. Moderate risk/high potential reward.

He is 43rd in the league in points, 26th in plus/minus, and his contract is 89th highest and drops 20+ positions every year. He is a bargain by all measures. His comparable contract value on benchrate is $8.6M so he is a +$0.5M right now and he is locked in so that number will grow every year.

No not by all measures. Not in physicality…not on leadership…is he easy to coach? Does he show up in big games? Is he perceived by scouting and GM’s as going the extra mile? How did he respond after getting paid? Lots of years left.

He’s a gamble right now. He’s no sure thing. If you’re talking 70 point sure thing … sure.

The player you're describing isn't going to be signing a Kyrou-level contract in the next few years. He either already makes more than Kyrou, or he will when his next deal comes up. That's what you're ignoring in this conversation. Is Kyrou an elite all-around player? No. There are holes in his game for sure. But that's true of all but about 15 forwards in the NHL maybe? And the vast majority do or will be making more soon enough.

And you’re ignoring what I posted in terms of value. Petterson’s value went down (along with Miller’s) because of the question marks around them. Value isn’t determined by mere stats.

How many top 6 wingers bring all of what you describe and what do they make?

You’re still ignoring it. He played a big role in a cup coach being fired. For Berube to say the things he did publicly was crazy. You never hear a coach say that…like ever.

He was weird publicly (said some weird stuff and cried) and has been criticized by his own management. He has yet to prove he can be a 200 foot player and there are character uncertainties. He’s talented. Everyone knows that.

This is a big year for him

I’m not ignoring it. I’m asking you what the value is of a Top 6 winger who has all of the qualities that you’re suggesting are question marks for Kyrou. What’s that player’s market value? That’s what this whole quote chain started with. It was about market value. So what is it for the Top 6 winger that can do it all? Can score 35 goals and 75 points with great intangibles, physical play, shows up big in the postseason, etc. Who are those players and what do they earn? What is their value?

We are talking about Kyrou. We are talking about what what is significant for him. He’s a winger and you have to be super significant as a winger for a big return. Plus all his baggage and black eyes and questions.

You just keep talking about points. When it’s 50 million of your dollars over many years, a little more nuance is involved

No I’m literally asking you which players in the league bring it all? Name them. All you’re interested in doing is playing devils advocate to cast doubt on Kyrou. So name the players who bring every other aspect to the team and game that he doesn’t bring? Who are they? What do they make?

My point which you continually ignore, is that those guys are incredibly rare. Few and far between, and will almost universally earn more than Kyrou either now or very soon.

You are arguing with a guy who lies left and right. There is a reason he does not have a single person on this board that like him being here. He keeps trying to change his name, but after a few months the same ole clown shows through.

[theograce]

No I’m literally asking you which players in the league bring it all? Name them.

I’ll name them after you name the players in the league where a cup winning coach said he doesn’t care about the game or his teammates … and that he makes too much money. Or saying rude things about his coach publicly and then crying … showing immaturity. And getting feedback from another coach and GM

Wait…I can’t really think of any comps recently. You?

[rezero]

No I’m literally asking you which players in the league bring it all? Name them.

I’ll name them after you name the players in the league where a cup winning coach said he doesn’t care about the game or his teammates … and that he makes too much money. Or saying rude things about his coach publicly and then crying … showing immaturity. And getting feedback from another coach and GM

Wait…I can’t really think of any comps recently. You?

Again, please show where Berube said anything about Kyrou.

[theograce]

No I’m literally asking you which players in the league bring it all? Name them.

I’ll name them after you name the players in the league where a cup winning coach said he doesn’t care about the game or his teammates … and that he makes too much money. Or saying rude things about his coach publicly and then crying … showing immaturity. And getting feedback from another coach and GM

Wait…I can’t really think of any comps recently. You?

Again, please show where Berube said anything about Kyrou.

You serious? You follow this team? Try not waste people’s time. Armstrong talked about Berube/Kyrou later on and addressed it. Berube later talked about it.

Are you gonna ask for links because you’re in left field. Get on google … laughing

[rezero]

No I’m literally asking you which players in the league bring it all? Name them.

I’ll name them after you name the players in the league where a cup winning coach said he doesn’t care about the game or his teammates … and that he makes too much money. Or saying rude things about his coach publicly and then crying … showing immaturity. And getting feedback from another coach and GM

Wait…I can’t really think of any comps recently. You?

Again, please show where Berube said anything about Kyrou.

You serious? You follow this team? Try not waste people’s time. Armstrong talked about Berube/Kyrou later on and addressed it. Berube later talked about it.

Are you gonna ask for links because you’re in left field. Get on google … laughing

Try again. Berube said Kyrou was a very hard worker and he loved the kids energy. He said that Kyrou probably regretted what he said, but that was just his passion speaking through and he had not hard feelings.

You are flat out making stuff up and lying as usual. Total loser. There is a reason nobody like you…..nobody.

[theograce]

No I’m literally asking you which players in the league bring it all? Name them.

I’ll name them after you name the players in the league where a cup winning coach said he doesn’t care about the game or his teammates … and that he makes too much money. Or saying rude things about his coach publicly and then crying … showing immaturity. And getting feedback from another coach and GM

Wait…I can’t really think of any comps recently. You?

Again, please show where Berube said anything about Kyrou.

You serious? You follow this team? Try not waste people’s time. Armstrong talked about Berube/Kyrou later on and addressed it. Berube later talked about it.

Are you gonna ask for links because you’re in left field. Get on google … laughing

Try again. Berube said Kyrou was a very hard worker and he loved the kids energy. He said that Kyrou probably regretted what he said, but that was just his passion speaking through and he had not hard feelings.

You are flat out making stuff up and lying as usual. Total loser. There is a reason nobody like you…..nobody.

You can’t be this dumb about it. I promise I’m laughing

In February 2023, St. Louis Blues coach Craig Berube publicly criticized his star players, including Jordan Kyrou, after a loss, stating that they "don't care about the team". Berube's comments were prompted by the team's lackluster performance and their inability to maintain a lead late in the game. He specifically called out Kyrou and Thomas saying their lack of passion and inspiration wasn't good enough and that they weren't playing inspired hockey.

Berube's comments came after a game where Kyrou and Thomas were held pointless and were a combined minus-3. The team's overall effort level was also questioned, with one player, Toropchenko, emphasizing the need to play with heart and character, even when the team wasn't in playoff contention.

Kyrou later responded by saying he respected Berube and his coaching tenure, acknowledging Berube's past success with the team. However, the incident also led to some booing from fans directed at Kyrou, which some interpreted as a message that fans were invested in him and expected more from their star players

[JR1]

No I’m literally asking you which players in the league bring it all? Name them.

I’ll name them after you name the players in the league where a cup winning coach said he doesn’t care about the game or his teammates … and that he makes too much money. Or saying rude things about his coach publicly and then crying … showing immaturity. And getting feedback from another coach and GM

Wait…I can’t really think of any comps recently. You?

Again, please show where Berube said anything about Kyrou.

You serious? You follow this team? Try not waste people’s time. Armstrong talked about Berube/Kyrou later on and addressed it. Berube later talked about it.

Are you gonna ask for links because you’re in left field. Get on google … laughing

Try again. Berube said Kyrou was a very hard worker and he loved the kids energy. He said that Kyrou probably regretted what he said, but that was just his passion speaking through and he had not hard feelings.

You are flat out making stuff up and lying as usual. Total loser. There is a reason nobody like you…..nobody.

Nobody is correct.

[theograce]

Kyrou says … “No comment. He’s not my coach anymore.”

Who says that about someone they like or respect.

It had to have been so bad between those 2.

See how it goes with Monty