STL fan in MN wrote: ↑14 Jul 2025 08:19 am
Then just let the rumors die…
I heard that he eats tacos from the middle.......
I am actually looking forward to more Kyrou and Holloway. Seemed quite dynamic last year.
That line looked like a top 15 line in the NHL for about a month running. Kyrou finally got some speed with him in Holloway who happens to be a relentless forechecker and it seemed like Schenn enabled them by playing smart hockey. Those 3 were absolutely on fire and it's a bummer we didn't get to see what that would look like on repeat in a best of 7. If that line could have produced like it did, the Blues would have absolutely been a threat in the west.
Do I think that line plays to THAT level this coming year? Probably not. But even if it's close it's career years for the 3 of them.
The rumors are annoying and the articles should be discounted unless it has the caveat in there in the latest Army interview where he said, paraphrasing "well it's a little weird how fast we are done and have everyone locked up minus 1 spot (alexandrov). I told the staff to take time off and go fishing and we will see each other in August." If an article doesn't talk about that, they shouldn't be taken seriously. Because apparently the Blues aren't making phone calls. Will they field them? Sure, but you better be worth the time otherwise it's brews, golf, and lunkers.
If someone wants to buy my house they can make an offer. Unless you are a serious buyer, a head of household and not a front for hidden investors, and the offer is ridiculously over market price you're wasting your time. In other words, at a certain price point virtually everything is for sale.
DawgDad wrote: ↑14 Jul 2025 14:26 pm
If someone wants to buy my house they can make an offer. Unless you are a serious buyer, a head of household and not a front for hidden investors, and the offer is ridiculously over market price you're wasting your time. In other words, at a certain price point virtually everything is for sale.
If you’ve listed your house people generally know what you’re looking for.
Kyrou was listed. He’s a winger. He has holes and makes a lot of money. There are questions on his character. Be kinda ignorant to expect a king’s ransom at this point in time.
The problem with Middlestadt and Zacha isn't the fact they will add more offense than Kyrou, but the fact they are $10.5m cap Vs Kyrou's $8.125m AND will take a spot from one of the prospects. Kyrou's contract will age like buttermilk and just as quick, but this isn't the trade I'd make.
Do people think Kyrou's contract is bad value? He would get 9 in free agency. His age related decline will be outpaced by the rising cap. I bet his contract looks even better than it does now in two years.
I also am surprised no one believes Holloway's performance is not partially due to his chemistry with Kyrou. They, together, elevated Schenn to a serviceable number two center.
DawgDad wrote: ↑14 Jul 2025 14:26 pm
If someone wants to buy my house they can make an offer. Unless you are a serious buyer, a head of household and not a front for hidden investors, and the offer is ridiculously over market price you're wasting your time. In other words, at a certain price point virtually everything is for sale.
If you’ve listed your house people generally know what you’re looking for.
Kyrou was listed. He’s a winger. He has holes and makes a lot of money. There are questions on his character. Be kinda ignorant to expect a king’s ransom at this point in time.
Bleedr what would you know about houses... you still live in your moms basement lol.
DawgDad wrote: ↑14 Jul 2025 14:26 pm
If someone wants to buy my house they can make an offer. Unless you are a serious buyer, a head of household and not a front for hidden investors, and the offer is ridiculously over market price you're wasting your time. In other words, at a certain price point virtually everything is for sale.
If you’ve listed your house people generally know what you’re looking for.
Kyrou was listed. He’s a winger. He has holes and makes a lot of money. There are questions on his character. Be kinda ignorant to expect a king’s ransom at this point in time.
Bleedr what would you know about houses... you still live in your moms basement lol.
Another Glow Stick, ya just wanna snap it open and shake the s&^t out of it until the light comes on!
chuckt wrote: ↑14 Jul 2025 14:51 pm
Do people think Kyrou's contract is bad value? He would get 9 in free agency. His age related decline will be outpaced by the rising cap. I bet his contract looks even better than it does now in two years.
I also am surprised no one believes Holloway's performance is not partially due to his chemistry with Kyrou. They, together, elevated Schenn to a serviceable number two center.
chuckt wrote: ↑14 Jul 2025 14:51 pm
Do people think Kyrou's contract is bad value? He would get 9 in free agency. His age related decline will be outpaced by the rising cap. I bet his contract looks even better than it does now in two years.
I also am surprised no one believes Holloway's performance is not partially due to his chemistry with Kyrou. They, together, elevated Schenn to a serviceable number two center.
Because that doesn’t fit the agenda.
Kyrou's contract as of right now is great at market value. He also put together his best 2 way season this past year. His old antics of not playing defense are being worked on, slightly to the expense of his top end scoring, but he still figured out a way to get it done. My biggest complaint about Kyrou was the multi game stretches of 0 points and then throwing up 3 and 4 spots. That to me was infuriating. He improved on that as well.
The Bot that is 44donger loved IT some Kyrou when he wasn't well liked in STL. Now IT says he has problems. Yes things can change, but it appears the Bot algorithm is still holding true. Say whatever the opposite of the board, rinse and repeat.
callitwhatyouwant wrote: ↑14 Jul 2025 16:16 pm
Kyrou's contract as of right now is great at market value.
Based on what? Don’t just post goals and assists. GM’s determine that. He’s seen as a gamble right now. Moderate risk/high potential reward.
He is 43rd in the league in points, 26th in plus/minus, and his contract is 89th highest and drops 20+ positions every year. He is a bargain by all measures. His comparable contract value on benchrate is $8.6M so he is a +$0.5M right now and he is locked in so that number will grow every year. His contract value through the remaining life of the contract is a +$8.6M which is exceptional.
callitwhatyouwant wrote: ↑14 Jul 2025 16:16 pm
Kyrou's contract as of right now is great at market value.
Based on what? Don’t just post goals and assists. GM’s determine that. He’s seen as a gamble right now. Moderate risk/high potential reward.
He is 43rd in the league in points, 26th in plus/minus, and his contract is 89th highest and drops 20+ positions every year. He is a bargain by all measures. His comparable contract value on benchrate is $8.6M so he is a +$0.5M right now and he is locked in so that number will grow every year.
No not by all measures. Not in physicality…not on leadership…is he easy to coach? Does he show up in big games? Is he perceived by scouting and GM’s as going the extra mile? How did he respond after getting paid? Lots of years left.
He’s a gamble right now. He’s no sure thing. If you’re talking 70 point sure thing … sure.
callitwhatyouwant wrote: ↑14 Jul 2025 16:16 pm
Kyrou's contract as of right now is great at market value.
Based on what? Don’t just post goals and assists. GM’s determine that. He’s seen as a gamble right now. Moderate risk/high potential reward.
He is 43rd in the league in points, 26th in plus/minus, and his contract is 89th highest and drops 20+ positions every year. He is a bargain by all measures. His comparable contract value on benchrate is $8.6M so he is a +$0.5M right now and he is locked in so that number will grow every year.
No not by all measures. Not in physicality…not on leadership…is he easy to coach? Does he show up in big games? Is he perceived by scouting and GM’s as going the extra mile? How did he respond after getting paid? Lots of years left.
He’s a gamble right now. He’s no sure thing. If you’re talking 70 point sure thing … sure.
The player you're describing isn't going to be signing a Kyrou-level contract in the next few years. He either already makes more than Kyrou, or he will when his next deal comes up. That's what you're ignoring in this conversation. Is Kyrou an elite all-around player? No. There are holes in his game for sure. But that's true of all but about 15 forwards in the NHL maybe? And the vast majority do or will be making more soon enough.
You're talking about Kyrou like he's making 12M but there are questions about his character. He will be making very average Top 6 money within about 2 seasons as the cap skyrockets.
callitwhatyouwant wrote: ↑14 Jul 2025 16:16 pm
Kyrou's contract as of right now is great at market value.
Based on what? Don’t just post goals and assists. GM’s determine that. He’s seen as a gamble right now. Moderate risk/high potential reward.
He is 43rd in the league in points, 26th in plus/minus, and his contract is 89th highest and drops 20+ positions every year. He is a bargain by all measures. His comparable contract value on benchrate is $8.6M so he is a +$0.5M right now and he is locked in so that number will grow every year.
No not by all measures. Not in physicality…not on leadership…is he easy to coach? Does he show up in big games? Is he perceived by scouting and GM’s as going the extra mile? How did he respond after getting paid? Lots of years left.
He’s a gamble right now. He’s no sure thing. If you’re talking 70 point sure thing … sure.
The player you're describing isn't going to be signing a Kyrou-level contract in the next few years. He either already makes more than Kyrou, or he will when his next deal comes up. That's what you're ignoring in this conversation. Is Kyrou an elite all-around player? No. There are holes in his game for sure. But that's true of all but about 15 forwards in the NHL maybe? And the vast majority do or will be making more soon enough.
And you’re ignoring what I posted in terms of value. Petterson’s value went down (along with Miller’s) because of the question marks around them. Value isn’t determined by mere stats.
callitwhatyouwant wrote: ↑14 Jul 2025 16:16 pm
Kyrou's contract as of right now is great at market value.
Based on what? Don’t just post goals and assists. GM’s determine that. He’s seen as a gamble right now. Moderate risk/high potential reward.
He is 43rd in the league in points, 26th in plus/minus, and his contract is 89th highest and drops 20+ positions every year. He is a bargain by all measures. His comparable contract value on benchrate is $8.6M so he is a +$0.5M right now and he is locked in so that number will grow every year.
No not by all measures. Not in physicality…not on leadership…is he easy to coach? Does he show up in big games? Is he perceived by scouting and GM’s as going the extra mile? How did he respond after getting paid? Lots of years left.
He’s a gamble right now. He’s no sure thing. If you’re talking 70 point sure thing … sure.
The player you're describing isn't going to be signing a Kyrou-level contract in the next few years. He either already makes more than Kyrou, or he will when his next deal comes up. That's what you're ignoring in this conversation. Is Kyrou an elite all-around player? No. There are holes in his game for sure. But that's true of all but about 15 forwards in the NHL maybe? And the vast majority do or will be making more soon enough.
And you’re ignoring what I posted in terms of value. Petterson’s value went down (along with Miller’s) because of the question marks around them. Value isn’t determined by mere stats.
How many top 6 wingers bring all of what you describe and what do they make?
callitwhatyouwant wrote: ↑14 Jul 2025 16:16 pm
Kyrou's contract as of right now is great at market value.
Based on what? Don’t just post goals and assists. GM’s determine that. He’s seen as a gamble right now. Moderate risk/high potential reward.
He is 43rd in the league in points, 26th in plus/minus, and his contract is 89th highest and drops 20+ positions every year. He is a bargain by all measures. His comparable contract value on benchrate is $8.6M so he is a +$0.5M right now and he is locked in so that number will grow every year.
No not by all measures. Not in physicality…not on leadership…is he easy to coach? Does he show up in big games? Is he perceived by scouting and GM’s as going the extra mile? How did he respond after getting paid? Lots of years left.
He’s a gamble right now. He’s no sure thing. If you’re talking 70 point sure thing … sure.
The player you're describing isn't going to be signing a Kyrou-level contract in the next few years. He either already makes more than Kyrou, or he will when his next deal comes up. That's what you're ignoring in this conversation. Is Kyrou an elite all-around player? No. There are holes in his game for sure. But that's true of all but about 15 forwards in the NHL maybe? And the vast majority do or will be making more soon enough.
And you’re ignoring what I posted in terms of value. Petterson’s value went down (along with Miller’s) because of the question marks around them. Value isn’t determined by mere stats.
How many top 6 wingers bring all of what you describe and what do they make?
You’re still ignoring it. He played a big role in a cup coach being fired. For Berube to say the things he did publicly was crazy. You never hear a coach say that…like ever.
He was weird publicly (said some weird stuff and cried) and has been criticized by his own management. He has yet to prove he can be a 200 foot player and there are character uncertainties. He’s talented. Everyone knows that.
