icon wrote: ↑09 Jul 2025 21:07 pm
Can we all agree now that Pages is nothing but maybe serviceable MLB backup? His OPS is only better than Hampson's on this roster, and he's not some pitcher whisperer as one know it all on this site suggests. I guess it's okay for him to play out this season if Crooks isn't ready anytime this year. But that should be all, folks!
And Pallante cannot be counted on to be good or for enough swing and miss. Back to the pen or traded.
And Donovan should be traded. You trade high on him and include some others to get value in return where it's desperately needed -- In the outfield and in the rotation. Wetherholt probably will be here next year. And he looks as if he'll be a better version of Donovan, whose bat does not play in a corner OF spot or at 3B.
Mozeliak never ever trades high as good GMs do. He should've traded Fedde in the offseason along with Helsley. Now both have greatly decreased in value -- Fedde to zero. Good riddance to this Mozo.
Agree on most everything, but Helsley has not greatly decreased. He would still be a welcome addition to a contending team.
But value decreases over time. He was much more valuable in the offseason.
Who cares? It isn't our job to help other teams but to help our own. His saves have been valuable to US. If someone wants him badly enough at the trade deadline, great! If not, let's see where we go from here. This is not "Let's make a deal". It's Cardinal baseball.
The closer market wasn't strong last winter. Mo probably made the correct move holding onto Helsley. The market should be stronger at the deadline. Will Mo make a deal?
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑11 Jul 2025 12:13 pm
The closer market wasn't strong last winter. Mo probably made the correct move holding onto Helsley. The market should be stronger at the deadline. Will Mo make a deal?
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑11 Jul 2025 12:13 pm
The closer market wasn't strong last winter. Mo probably made the correct move holding onto Helsley. The market should be stronger at the deadline. Will Mo make a deal?
Be brave John, be brave.
If ever he was, the time is now. He's leaving in 3 months regardless.
icon wrote: ↑09 Jul 2025 21:07 pm
Can we all agree now that Pages is nothing but maybe serviceable MLB backup? His OPS is only better than Hampson's on this roster, and he's not some pitcher whisperer as one know it all on this site suggests. I guess it's okay for him to play out this season if Crooks isn't ready anytime this year. But that should be all, folks!
And Pallante cannot be counted on to be good or for enough swing and miss. Back to the pen or traded.
And Donovan should be traded. You trade high on him and include some others to get value in return where it's desperately needed -- In the outfield and in the rotation. Wetherholt probably will be here next year. And he looks as if he'll be a better version of Donovan, whose bat does not play in a corner OF spot or at 3B.
Mozeliak never ever trades high as good GMs do. He should've traded Fedde in the offseason along with Helsley. Now both have greatly decreased in value -- Fedde to zero. Good riddance to this Mozo.
Agree on most everything, but Helsley has not greatly decreased. He would still be a welcome addition to a contending team.
But value decreases over time. He was much more valuable in the offseason.
Who cares? It isn't our job to help other teams but to help our own. His saves have been valuable to US. If someone wants him badly enough at the trade deadline, great! If not, let's see where we go from here. This is not "Let's make a deal". It's Cardinal baseball.
I'm fine with you not calling the shots.
You are a fan of Mikolas. Probably loved that extension. Maybe want another extension. There goes your credibility. All it takes is the Cardinals winning two out of three from the Nationals for you to come out of the woodwork again in favor of Mozeliak and everything he does or doesn't do.
icon wrote: ↑09 Jul 2025 21:07 pm
Can we all agree now that Pages is nothing but maybe serviceable MLB backup? His OPS is only better than Hampson's on this roster, and he's not some pitcher whisperer as one know it all on this site suggests. I guess it's okay for him to play out this season if Crooks isn't ready anytime this year. But that should be all, folks!
And Pallante cannot be counted on to be good or for enough swing and miss. Back to the pen or traded.
And Donovan should be traded. You trade high on him and include some others to get value in return where it's desperately needed -- In the outfield and in the rotation. Wetherholt probably will be here next year. And he looks as if he'll be a better version of Donovan, whose bat does not play in a corner OF spot or at 3B.
Mozeliak never ever trades high as good GMs do. He should've traded Fedde in the offseason along with Helsley. Now both have greatly decreased in value -- Fedde to zero. Good riddance to this Mozo.
Who’s “this Mozo”?
"Mozo" is John Mozeliak's nickname on CT. "Mozo" rhymes with "Bozo". We enjoy that metaphor, because we feel that Mo acts like a clown POBO, and Bozo is a famous clown name. I hope that helps explain it for you.
Oh, I get it. It’s a silly, childish name for our POBO.
Thanks, BFM.
Mrs. Mozeliak, your husband John has EARNED that silly, childish name.
I hate to tell that to you, as I’m trying to be as gentle as possible. But yeah, he’s Mozo the Clown. Sorry.
I just can’t get on board the trading Donovan idea. Him, Herrera and Burleson right now are our three best hitters, moving any of them just creates another hole. Even if you bring back a good pitcher, you’ve made the offense even worse than it already is.
Nootbaar, Gorman, and Arenado are the ones to move. JJ is the one most likely to replace any of them and he should be (hopefully) an upgrade over them.
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑11 Jul 2025 12:13 pm
The closer market wasn't strong last winter. Mo probably made the correct move holding onto Helsley. The market should be stronger at the deadline. Will Mo make a deal?
or even a good team that somehow needs an 8th inning guy for a strong playoff run
icon wrote: ↑09 Jul 2025 21:07 pm
Can we all agree now that Pages is nothing but maybe serviceable MLB backup? His OPS is only better than Hampson's on this roster, and he's not some pitcher whisperer as one know it all on this site suggests. I guess it's okay for him to play out this season if Crooks isn't ready anytime this year. But that should be all, folks!
And Pallante cannot be counted on to be good or for enough swing and miss. Back to the pen or traded.
And Donovan should be traded. You trade high on him and include some others to get value in return where it's desperately needed -- In the outfield and in the rotation. Wetherholt probably will be here next year. And he looks as if he'll be a better version of Donovan, whose bat does not play in a corner OF spot or at 3B.
Mozeliak never ever trades high as good GMs do. He should've traded Fedde in the offseason along with Helsley. Now both have greatly decreased in value -- Fedde to zero. Good riddance to this Mozo.
Agree on most everything, but Helsley has not greatly decreased. He would still be a welcome addition to a contending team.
But value decreases over time. He was much more valuable in the offseason.
Who cares? It isn't our job to help other teams but to help our own. His saves have been valuable to US. If someone wants him badly enough at the trade deadline, great! If not, let's see where we go from here. This is not "Let's make a deal". It's Cardinal baseball.
I'm fine with you not calling the shots.
You are a fan of Mikolas. Probably loved that extension. Maybe want another extension. There goes your credibility. All it takes is the Cardinals winning two out of three from the Nationals for you to come out of the woodwork again in favor of Mozeliak and everything he does or doesn't do.
Hoosier59 wrote: ↑11 Jul 2025 20:37 pm
I just can’t get on board the trading Donovan idea. Him, Herrera and Burleson right now are our three best hitters, moving any of them just creates another hole. Even if you bring back a good pitcher, you’ve made the offense even worse than it already is.
Nootbaar, Gorman, and Arenado are the ones to move. JJ is the one most likely to replace any of them and he should be (hopefully) an upgrade over them.
You have to give to get. Nobody wants the Cardinals' trash.
And the argument for trading Donovan is based on the emergence of JJ Wetherholt next season at 2B. Donovan's bat does not play that well in the corner OF or at 3B. This team needs more power. And those are 2 positions where you could add it if Arenado can be traded. As for Nootbaar, he could be added to any trade. There is no way he can be a centerpiece to net anything of value. He's not that good.
craviduce wrote: ↑09 Jul 2025 21:22 pm
trading Helsley in the offseason hit a roadblock, because there was basically zero market for a closer. 1 trade happened, 1 FA signing happened all of the off season. The offers we had were bad, I don't put any blame on Mo for not trading Helsley. Derrick Goold documented this back in January. You can't MAKE another team give you what you want if there's zero urgency in trading for a closer.
Hoosier59 wrote: ↑11 Jul 2025 20:37 pm
I just can’t get on board the trading Donovan idea. Him, Herrera and Burleson right now are our three best hitters, moving any of them just creates another hole. Even if you bring back a good pitcher, you’ve made the offense even worse than it already is.
Nootbaar, Gorman, and Arenado are the ones to move. JJ is the one most likely to replace any of them and he should be (hopefully) an upgrade over them.
Totally agree with you, fellow Hoosier. Trading Donovan is just insane - he's the mortar for this poorly assembled team. I'm most interested in seeing what Bloom does with the roster in the offseason.
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑09 Jul 2025 21:38 pm
Helsley is just as marketable. There is definitely interest in him. But there is no doubt that the return will be less.
Sure, that's what I'm saying -- there's a market, but the value has likely diminished, especially for a rental.
Of course his value has dropped. Control alone diminishes what you could get.
