Who is the next Cam Fowler?

[a smell of green grass]

Just curious. No votes for Lindstein? Is that because you haven't seen enough of him, or does he lack some playing characteristic?

I mentioned in another thread that I think Lindstein could become a #1D, but might cap at a #2-4 (more probable).

Question: Is Cam Fowler the Blues' #1D?

I say yes, and that he is a quality NHL #1D (or was for us last season).

Colton Parayko by every measure is an NHL #1 dman, Fowler is a top pairing LHD. Broberg is in waiting, simmering while Fowler is here who knows may surpass him

I generally agree, but would classify #1D as the guy who plays in all situations. Parayko doesn't quite have the hands to man the point on the PP where we all want to see his booming shot. Fowler does, but isn't quite the defensive stalwart (though I would say is very good in his own end). They make a great top pairing. Is either as good as Petro in his prime? Perhaps not in terms of all situations.

Thanks for the insights, guys. Much appreciated.

I'm still very keen on Lindstein, but after seeing him in the prospect camp, he looked a little small. Of course, next to our Redwood prospects, everyone looks small. Other than that, he looked very capable, quick and fast. I wished Cam Fowler was out there for reference to compare and contrast

I hope that before Fowler leaves us, we can envision who fills his shoes. I hoping that it won't be another Pietrangelo-like exit, where the new guy never seems to show up for years.

[a smell of green grass]

Just curious. No votes for Lindstein? Is that because you haven't seen enough of him, or does he lack some playing characteristic?

Lindstein is well above his peers from a defensive standpoint but he’s simply very unlikely to ever be classified as an offensive d-man like Fowler. They’re just very different players. If your question was, who’s going to be our next Gustav Forsling, I would’ve said Lindstein. Lindstein isn’t likely to be a guy you’d you on the PP for example. He could probably handle it fine but ideally you also have better options. He’s the type that’ll play a lot 5 on 5 and the PK though.

This is great to hear. Thanks.

[Harry York 37]

If Reid was viewed as the next Cam Fowler he would’ve been drafted much higher.

Maybe Broberg? He doesn’t have quite the same offe dice ability as Fowler. But that’s the thing. You don’t need exact clones of previous players to have a winning team.

Broberg does not (yet) have the canny patience that a vet like Fowler has, but he has better tools and size.

[theograce]

If Reid was viewed as the next Cam Fowler he would’ve been drafted much higher.

Maybe Broberg? He doesn’t have quite the same offe dice ability as Fowler. But that’s the thing. You don’t need exact clones of previous players to have a winning team.

Broberg does not (yet) have the canny patience that a vet like Fowler has, but he has better tools and size.

Fowler was playing full NHL seasons at 19.

As for size, Broberg got thrown around a ton this year.

[Harry York 37]

Ya know, Fowler got to play a lot as his team never got past the first round of the playoffs in his first four years. They missed the playoffs entirely in his sophomore season.

Danged if Broberg was on a stacked team, huh?
At 20 his team lost in the Conference Finals. and at 21 they lost in the second round to the Cup Champions, and at 22 they lost in the goddanged Stanley Cup Finals.
Funny how a cool head and perspective can make things so very clear.

[Harry York 37]

Ugh, young Fowler was a minus 53 in his first two seasons....

[theograce]

Ugh, young Fowler was a minus 53 in his first two seasons....

Kyrou led the blues in +\- this year

[somni]

At this point last year I bet no one ever even thought of Cam Fowler, much less think he would be a Blue. So who is the next one? Could be an internal candidate, or something that just pops up in a trade.

[a smell of green grass]

At this point last year I bet no one ever even thought of Cam Fowler, much less think he would be a Blue. So who is the next one? Could be an internal candidate, or something that just pops up in a trade.

I look so forward to Armstrong's pickups. For every next Fowler, we get 3 Kevin Hayes.

[noted]

At this point the only way Id acquire Bo Bryam is if the contract price and asset price wasnt to high. He does play some RD so I go

Broberg/ CP55
Cam/ Byram
Tucker/ Mailloux

Then next year NOT resign CAM

Broberg/ CP55
Byram/ Mailloux (if he progesses nicely this season)
Tucker / Adam Jirichek

I would bet heavily on Lindstein being NHL ready before Jiricek

[callitwhatyouwant]

At this point the only way Id acquire Bo Bryam is if the contract price and asset price wasnt to high. He does play some RD so I go

Broberg/ CP55
Cam/ Byram
Tucker/ Mailloux

Then next year NOT resign CAM

Broberg/ CP55
Byram/ Mailloux (if he progesses nicely this season)
Tucker / Adam Jirichek

I would bet heavily on Lindstein being NHL ready before Jiricek

From what I understand Lindstein basically is ready. They are just trying to space those rookie years out properly. Army last year at camp as well as a couple guys like Al that the guy that was surprising the most with how elite he was this early was Lindstein. I remember the exact conversation being about Bolduc and Dvorsky and if they would make the roster. And the question was rerouted towards Lindstein. And he's done nothing since to say that assessment isn't accurate. I think the only reason you don't see him up this year is because they are trying to get another year of contracts thru before they start making the tough decisions. Afterall, there's no rush and when you start factoring in 32 year old vet vs 20 year old defensemen, it get's hard to see how the rookie is going to outplay that person.

[DawgDad]

At this point the only way Id acquire Bo Bryam is if the contract price and asset price wasnt to high. He does play some RD so I go

Broberg/ CP55
Cam/ Byram
Tucker/ Mailloux

Then next year NOT resign CAM

Broberg/ CP55
Byram/ Mailloux (if he progesses nicely this season)
Tucker / Adam Jirichek

I would bet heavily on Lindstein being NHL ready before Jiricek

From what I understand Lindstein basically is ready. They are just trying to space those rookie years out properly. Army last year at camp as well as a couple guys like Al that the guy that was surprising the most with how elite he was this early was Lindstein. I remember the exact conversation being about Bolduc and Dvorsky and if they would make the roster. And the question was rerouted towards Lindstein. And he's done nothing since to say that assessment isn't accurate. I think the only reason you don't see him up this year is because they are trying to get another year of contracts thru before they start making the tough decisions. Afterall, there's no rush and when you start factoring in 32 year old vet vs 20 year old defensemen, it get's hard to see how the rookie is going to outplay that person.

The Blues may wind up taking a step back while they transition to the younger prospects. There are too many of them coming in a relatively short time frame. Certainly on defense where they had all those 1000 game guys.

[wiscrev]

At this point last year I bet no one ever even thought of Cam Fowler, much less think he would be a Blue. So who is the next one? Could be an internal candidate, or something that just pops up in a trade.

I look so forward to Armstrong's pickups. For every next Fowler, we get 3 Kevin Hayes.

Atta boy, Glow Stick, knew I could count on you.

[STL fan in MN]

At this point the only way Id acquire Bo Bryam is if the contract price and asset price wasnt to high. He does play some RD so I go

Broberg/ CP55
Cam/ Byram
Tucker/ Mailloux

Then next year NOT resign CAM

Broberg/ CP55
Byram/ Mailloux (if he progesses nicely this season)
Tucker / Adam Jirichek

I would bet heavily on Lindstein being NHL ready before Jiricek

From what I understand Lindstein basically is ready. They are just trying to space those rookie years out properly. Army last year at camp as well as a couple guys like Al that the guy that was surprising the most with how elite he was this early was Lindstein. I remember the exact conversation being about Bolduc and Dvorsky and if they would make the roster. And the question was rerouted towards Lindstein. And he's done nothing since to say that assessment isn't accurate. I think the only reason you don't see him up this year is because they are trying to get another year of contracts thru before they start making the tough decisions. Afterall, there's no rush and when you start factoring in 32 year old vet vs 20 year old defensemen, it get's hard to see how the rookie is going to outplay that person.

I doubt Lindstein is fully physically ready for the NHL. He’s played 3 seasons of pro hockey in Sweden and done well given his age so he’s peobably pretty close to ready from a skills standpoint and where his game is at but he might need another year or so to adjust to the increased physicality of the N.A. game and gain some strength. He’s not small but he’s not big either. Needs to gain his man strength still IMO.

[callitwhatyouwant]

At this point the only way Id acquire Bo Bryam is if the contract price and asset price wasnt to high. He does play some RD so I go

Broberg/ CP55
Cam/ Byram
Tucker/ Mailloux

Then next year NOT resign CAM

Broberg/ CP55
Byram/ Mailloux (if he progesses nicely this season)
Tucker / Adam Jirichek

I would bet heavily on Lindstein being NHL ready before Jiricek

From what I understand Lindstein basically is ready. They are just trying to space those rookie years out properly. Army last year at camp as well as a couple guys like Al that the guy that was surprising the most with how elite he was this early was Lindstein. I remember the exact conversation being about Bolduc and Dvorsky and if they would make the roster. And the question was rerouted towards Lindstein. And he's done nothing since to say that assessment isn't accurate. I think the only reason you don't see him up this year is because they are trying to get another year of contracts thru before they start making the tough decisions. Afterall, there's no rush and when you start factoring in 32 year old vet vs 20 year old defensemen, it get's hard to see how the rookie is going to outplay that person.

I doubt Lindstein is fully physically ready for the NHL. He’s played 3 seasons of pro hockey in Sweden and done well given his age so he’s peobably pretty close to ready from a skills standpoint and where his game is at but he might need another year or so to adjust to the increased physicality of the N.A. game and gain some strength. He’s not small but he’s not big either. Needs to gain his man strength still IMO.

I hear ya. You usually need to make sure your on that other side of 200 especially with a 6 foot frame and better. Fowler being the good example here of 6'1 205-210ish. So another year of seasoning is probably in order. But he's not a small guy. He's not some 180's guy. I just take those moments when Army hypes up a prospect as believable. Just like he was hyping up snuggs for the last couple seasons, we saw the goods. He usually downplays guys when he doesn't think they are bonified ready. And if it happens again at training camp this year where he's talking a lot about Lindstein, I think that's going to be a signal of where things are in his development. Sweden is a top league too. So it's WIN WIN for the Blue Note.

[SameOldBlues]

My dyslexic sister said there’s a little known 6th round draft pick we got in the 2021 draft…Fam Cowler.