Changes that should be and should've been

[ramfandan]

Regarding changes…
Mo departing is the major change this team needs.

He has our best prospect in AAA now who will be 23 in Sept.
JJ is currently better than several players on our major league roster.

The Brewers have Chourio their best kid who just turned 21 in March contributing in the majors.

That’s why reward GM Matt Arnold was voted executive of the year.
He isn’t afraid to bring a youngster up… see rookie P Misiorowski too.

If Mo ran the Brewers those two would still be in the minors.
Telling Brewer fans they needed more seasoning blah blah

Vice versa if Arnold was running Cards JJ would be playing currently
over Saggese, Gorman, etc.

Hoping Bloom will be more like Arnold

agree
did you see Misiorowski struck out 12 Dodgers Tuesday night?

Sure did ! He’s electric! Kershaw sang Mis praises postgame.

[ICCFIM2]

Can we all agree now that Pages is nothing but maybe serviceable MLB backup? His OPS is only better than Hampson's on this roster, and he's not some pitcher whisperer as one know it all on this site suggests. I guess it's okay for him to play out this season if Crooks isn't ready anytime this year. But that should be all, folks!

And Pallante cannot be counted on to be good or for enough swing and miss. Back to the pen or traded.

And Donovan should be traded. You trade high on him and include some others to get value in return where it's desperately needed -- In the outfield and in the rotation. Wetherholt probably will be here next year. And he looks as if he'll be a better version of Donovan, whose bat does not play in a corner OF spot or at 3B.

Mozeliak never ever trades high as good GMs do. He should've traded Fedde in the offseason along with Helsley. Now both have greatly decreased in value -- Fedde to zero. Good riddance to this Mozo.

I’m with you on Pages. Let him share catching with Pozo 50/50 until September, when Crooks III is called up. Pallante is a fine #5 starter, but he’s our #3. Trade Donovan, I’m fine with that. Just package him with Noot and Crooks III and get a top prospect back. I think Helsley may get a QO. Mo has THE WORST TIMING EVER.

Crooks has a 751 OPS in Memphis. Not sure what that translates into at the MLB level. For example, Fermin, who has never done anything at the ML level has 914 OPS in 238 plate appearances at Memphis. I don't disagree with the assessment on Pages, that he is a backup. Just not sure Crooks is going to set the world on fire either. Bernal is 831 at Springfield and is said to be better defensively. He is probably the real prospect and won't be here until 2027. The real disappointment is we were told Herrera would be great defensively and his hit tool was coming along. If he was great defensively....

I don't get the impulse to trade Donovan. The guy is an 800 OPS hitter. He is 49th in all of MLB in OPS. Outside of Herrera who does not have enough qualifying ABs, we don't have anyone else close except for Contreras at 762, who has been a bit of a disappointment so far this year. To be a contender you need 4-5 guys that 800 OPS guys. They are hard to get. So why trade the guy unless they are going to get a can't miss guy?

The main thing they need to try to do is trade Arenado. That opens up a spot for Wetherholdt and Donovan on the infield. The team will be so LH heavy next year between Donovan, Scott, Noot, Wetherholdt, Burleson and Gorman, at least 1 of those guys needs to be traded if not 2 of them. But, I would take Donovan and Wetherholdt off the list of potentially to be traded and focus on trading Nootbar and Gorman.

I think the potential window for contention will be 2027. Hopefully by then we have Roby, McGreevy and Mathews in the rotation. If they think they can contend, they can exercise the option on Gray and retain him. Bernal should be ready and Baez as well. They have others coming through and should be able to fill holes with trades or a strategic free agent signing or 2.

[JuanAgosto]

If/when Wetherholt is ready, bring him up. But I hope Mo doesn't rush him because he thinks it'll create a buzz and draw fans. We've seen that before with Walker.

Jordan Walker needed at least one more year in the minors before being promoted. But Mo saw it as an easier alternative than acquiring a productive OF. And that decision hasn't panned out so well.

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Can we all agree now that Pages is nothing but maybe serviceable MLB backup? His OPS is only better than Hampson's on this roster, and he's not some pitcher whisperer as one know it all on this site suggests. I guess it's okay for him to play out this season if Crooks isn't ready anytime this year. But that should be all, folks!

And Pallante cannot be counted on to be good or for enough swing and miss. Back to the pen or traded.

And Donovan should be traded. You trade high on him and include some others to get value in return where it's desperately needed -- In the outfield and in the rotation. Wetherholt probably will be here next year. And he looks as if he'll be a better version of Donovan, whose bat does not play in a corner OF spot or at 3B.

Mozeliak never ever trades high as good GMs do. He should've traded Fedde in the offseason along with Helsley. Now both have greatly decreased in value -- Fedde to zero. Good riddance to this Mozo.

I’m with you on Pages. Let him share catching with Pozo 50/50 until September, when Crooks III is called up. Pallante is a fine #5 starter, but he’s our #3. Trade Donovan, I’m fine with that. Just package him with Noot and Crooks III and get a top prospect back. I think Helsley may get a QO. Mo has THE WORST TIMING EVER.

Crooks has a 751 OPS in Memphis. Not sure what that translates into at the MLB level. For example, Fermin, who has never done anything at the ML level has 914 OPS in 238 plate appearances at Memphis. I don't disagree with the assessment on Pages, that he is a backup. Just not sure Crooks is going to set the world on fire either. Bernal is 831 at Springfield and is said to be better defensively. He is probably the real prospect and won't be here until 2027. The real disappointment is we were told Herrera would be great defensively and his hit tool was coming along. If he was great defensively....

I don't get the impulse to trade Donovan. The guy is an 800 OPS hitter. He is 49th in all of MLB in OPS. Outside of Herrera who does not have enough qualifying ABs, we don't have anyone else close except for Contreras at 762, who has been a bit of a disappointment so far this year. To be a contender you need 4-5 guys that 800 OPS guys. They are hard to get. So why trade the guy unless they are going to get a can't miss guy?

The main thing they need to try to do is trade Arenado. That opens up a spot for Wetherholdt and Donovan on the infield. The team will be so LH heavy next year between Donovan, Scott, Noot, Wetherholdt, Burleson and Gorman, at least 1 of those guys needs to be traded if not 2 of them. But, I would take Donovan and Wetherholdt off the list of potentially to be traded and focus on trading Nootbar and Gorman.

I think the potential window for contention will be 2027. Hopefully by then we have Roby, McGreevy and Mathews in the rotation. If they think they can contend, they can exercise the option on Gray and retain him. Bernal should be ready and Baez as well. They have others coming through and should be able to fill holes with trades or a strategic free agent signing or 2.

Trading Donovan could help bring value back for a desperately needed RH corner OF bat or a solid arm in the starting rotation. His bat plays at 2B, not so much in the corner OF and 3B, where more power is demanded. And with Wetherholt waiting in the wings...he looks as if he could be a better version of Donovan with 6 years of control and 6 years younger. Have to trade quality for quality, and there will be a logjam developing at 2B. You're not going to fetch much trading the likes of Noot, Saggese, Gorman, Walker, etc.

[ICCFIM2]

Can we all agree now that Pages is nothing but maybe serviceable MLB backup? His OPS is only better than Hampson's on this roster, and he's not some pitcher whisperer as one know it all on this site suggests. I guess it's okay for him to play out this season if Crooks isn't ready anytime this year. But that should be all, folks!

And Pallante cannot be counted on to be good or for enough swing and miss. Back to the pen or traded.

And Donovan should be traded. You trade high on him and include some others to get value in return where it's desperately needed -- In the outfield and in the rotation. Wetherholt probably will be here next year. And he looks as if he'll be a better version of Donovan, whose bat does not play in a corner OF spot or at 3B.

Mozeliak never ever trades high as good GMs do. He should've traded Fedde in the offseason along with Helsley. Now both have greatly decreased in value -- Fedde to zero. Good riddance to this Mozo.

I’m with you on Pages. Let him share catching with Pozo 50/50 until September, when Crooks III is called up. Pallante is a fine #5 starter, but he’s our #3. Trade Donovan, I’m fine with that. Just package him with Noot and Crooks III and get a top prospect back. I think Helsley may get a QO. Mo has THE WORST TIMING EVER.

Crooks has a 751 OPS in Memphis. Not sure what that translates into at the MLB level. For example, Fermin, who has never done anything at the ML level has 914 OPS in 238 plate appearances at Memphis. I don't disagree with the assessment on Pages, that he is a backup. Just not sure Crooks is going to set the world on fire either. Bernal is 831 at Springfield and is said to be better defensively. He is probably the real prospect and won't be here until 2027. The real disappointment is we were told Herrera would be great defensively and his hit tool was coming along. If he was great defensively....

I don't get the impulse to trade Donovan. The guy is an 800 OPS hitter. He is 49th in all of MLB in OPS. Outside of Herrera who does not have enough qualifying ABs, we don't have anyone else close except for Contreras at 762, who has been a bit of a disappointment so far this year. To be a contender you need 4-5 guys that 800 OPS guys. They are hard to get. So why trade the guy unless they are going to get a can't miss guy?

The main thing they need to try to do is trade Arenado. That opens up a spot for Wetherholdt and Donovan on the infield. The team will be so LH heavy next year between Donovan, Scott, Noot, Wetherholdt, Burleson and Gorman, at least 1 of those guys needs to be traded if not 2 of them. But, I would take Donovan and Wetherholdt off the list of potentially to be traded and focus on trading Nootbar and Gorman.

I think the potential window for contention will be 2027. Hopefully by then we have Roby, McGreevy and Mathews in the rotation. If they think they can contend, they can exercise the option on Gray and retain him. Bernal should be ready and Baez as well. They have others coming through and should be able to fill holes with trades or a strategic free agent signing or 2.

Trading Donovan could help bring value back for a desperately needed RH corner OF bat or a solid arm in the starting rotation. His bat plays at 2B, not so much in the corner OF and 3B, where more power is demanded. And with Wetherholt waiting in the wings...he looks as if he could be a better version of Donovan with 6 years of control and 6 years younger. Have to trade quality for quality, and there will be a logjam developing at 2B. You're not going to fetch much trading the likes of Noot, Saggese, Gorman, Walker, etc.

We will agree to disagree. I understand we prefer power at LF or 3B. But, we don't have that. I don't think that Donovan will bring back a power bat. He might bring back a decent SP prospect and another prospect. But, if the Cards want to compete in the near term, trading him will not accomplish that. Guys that get OB at a 365+ clip, slug at a 430+ clip play. Like I said above he is #49 in MLB in OPS for any player any position. That is hard to replace. The total number of both LFs and 3B with a higher OPS than Donovan in all of MLB is 12. The Cardinals simply have to start putting guys in the line-up that provide more certainty. Donovan does that. When they put the first 900+ OPS monster in the line-up who plays a position not DH, i.e. Herrera and not named Wetherholdt, I will be open to trading him...

[sikeston bulldog2]

Can we all agree now that Pages is nothing but maybe serviceable MLB backup? His OPS is only better than Hampson's on this roster, and he's not some pitcher whisperer as one know it all on this site suggests. I guess it's okay for him to play out this season if Crooks isn't ready anytime this year. But that should be all, folks!

And Pallante cannot be counted on to be good or for enough swing and miss. Back to the pen or traded.

And Donovan should be traded. You trade high on him and include some others to get value in return where it's desperately needed -- In the outfield and in the rotation. Wetherholt probably will be here next year. And he looks as if he'll be a better version of Donovan, whose bat does not play in a corner OF spot or at 3B.

Mozeliak never ever trades high as good GMs do. He should've traded Fedde in the offseason along with Helsley. Now both have greatly decreased in value -- Fedde to zero. Good riddance to this Mozo.

My boy Pallante is a serviceable number five. Excels one gane, stinks another. The goal of the number five is to maintain .500. Let the top guns win more games.

Number five gives you five and gives up five. When number five pitches, the offense needs to show.

[2ninr]

Can we all agree now that Pages is nothing but maybe serviceable MLB backup? His OPS is only better than Hampson's on this roster, and he's not some pitcher whisperer as one know it all on this site suggests. I guess it's okay for him to play out this season if Crooks isn't ready anytime this year. But that should be all, folks!

And Pallante cannot be counted on to be good or for enough swing and miss. Back to the pen or traded.

And Donovan should be traded. You trade high on him and include some others to get value in return where it's desperately needed -- In the outfield and in the rotation. Wetherholt probably will be here next year. And he looks as if he'll be a better version of Donovan, whose bat does not play in a corner OF spot or at 3B.

Mozeliak never ever trades high as good GMs do. He should've traded Fedde in the offseason along with Helsley. Now both have greatly decreased in value -- Fedde to zero. Good riddance to this Mozo.

I’m with you on Pages. Let him share catching with Pozo 50/50 until September, when Crooks III is called up. Pallante is a fine #5 starter, but he’s our #3. Trade Donovan, I’m fine with that. Just package him with Noot and Crooks III and get a top prospect back. I think Helsley may get a QO. Mo has THE WORST TIMING EVER.

Crooks has a 751 OPS in Memphis. Not sure what that translates into at the MLB level. For example, Fermin, who has never done anything at the ML level has 914 OPS in 238 plate appearances at Memphis. I don't disagree with the assessment on Pages, that he is a backup. Just not sure Crooks is going to set the world on fire either. Bernal is 831 at Springfield and is said to be better defensively. He is probably the real prospect and won't be here until 2027. The real disappointment is we were told Herrera would be great defensively and his hit tool was coming along. If he was great defensively....

I don't get the impulse to trade Donovan. The guy is an 800 OPS hitter. He is 49th in all of MLB in OPS. Outside of Herrera who does not have enough qualifying ABs, we don't have anyone else close except for Contreras at 762, who has been a bit of a disappointment so far this year. To be a contender you need 4-5 guys that 800 OPS guys. They are hard to get. So why trade the guy unless they are going to get a can't miss guy?

The main thing they need to try to do is trade Arenado. That opens up a spot for Wetherholdt and Donovan on the infield. The team will be so LH heavy next year between Donovan, Scott, Noot, Wetherholdt, Burleson and Gorman, at least 1 of those guys needs to be traded if not 2 of them. But, I would take Donovan and Wetherholdt off the list of potentially to be traded and focus on trading Nootbar and Gorman.

I think the potential window for contention will be 2027. Hopefully by then we have Roby, McGreevy and Mathews in the rotation. If they think they can contend, they can exercise the option on Gray and retain him. Bernal should be ready and Baez as well. They have others coming through and should be able to fill holes with trades or a strategic free agent signing or 2.

Trading Donovan could help bring value back for a desperately needed RH corner OF bat or a solid arm in the starting rotation. His bat plays at 2B, not so much in the corner OF and 3B, where more power is demanded. And with Wetherholt waiting in the wings...he looks as if he could be a better version of Donovan with 6 years of control and 6 years younger. Have to trade quality for quality, and there will be a logjam developing at 2B. You're not going to fetch much trading the likes of Noot, Saggese, Gorman, Walker, etc.

Trading Donovan is the move imo. Has value now and will not be signed in 28.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Can we all agree now that Pages is nothing but maybe serviceable MLB backup? His OPS is only better than Hampson's on this roster, and he's not some pitcher whisperer as one know it all on this site suggests. I guess it's okay for him to play out this season if Crooks isn't ready anytime this year. But that should be all, folks!

And Pallante cannot be counted on to be good or for enough swing and miss. Back to the pen or traded.

And Donovan should be traded. You trade high on him and include some others to get value in return where it's desperately needed -- In the outfield and in the rotation. Wetherholt probably will be here next year. And he looks as if he'll be a better version of Donovan, whose bat does not play in a corner OF spot or at 3B.

Mozeliak never ever trades high as good GMs do. He should've traded Fedde in the offseason along with Helsley. Now both have greatly decreased in value -- Fedde to zero. Good riddance to this Mozo.

I’m with you on Pages. Let him share catching with Pozo 50/50 until September, when Crooks III is called up. Pallante is a fine #5 starter, but he’s our #3. Trade Donovan, I’m fine with that. Just package him with Noot and Crooks III and get a top prospect back. I think Helsley may get a QO. Mo has THE WORST TIMING EVER.

Crooks has a 751 OPS in Memphis. Not sure what that translates into at the MLB level. For example, Fermin, who has never done anything at the ML level has 914 OPS in 238 plate appearances at Memphis. I don't disagree with the assessment on Pages, that he is a backup. Just not sure Crooks is going to set the world on fire either. Bernal is 831 at Springfield and is said to be better defensively. He is probably the real prospect and won't be here until 2027. The real disappointment is we were told Herrera would be great defensively and his hit tool was coming along. If he was great defensively....

I don't get the impulse to trade Donovan. The guy is an 800 OPS hitter. He is 49th in all of MLB in OPS. Outside of Herrera who does not have enough qualifying ABs, we don't have anyone else close except for Contreras at 762, who has been a bit of a disappointment so far this year. To be a contender you need 4-5 guys that 800 OPS guys. They are hard to get. So why trade the guy unless they are going to get a can't miss guy?

The main thing they need to try to do is trade Arenado. That opens up a spot for Wetherholdt and Donovan on the infield. The team will be so LH heavy next year between Donovan, Scott, Noot, Wetherholdt, Burleson and Gorman, at least 1 of those guys needs to be traded if not 2 of them. But, I would take Donovan and Wetherholdt off the list of potentially to be traded and focus on trading Nootbar and Gorman.

I think the potential window for contention will be 2027. Hopefully by then we have Roby, McGreevy and Mathews in the rotation. If they think they can contend, they can exercise the option on Gray and retain him. Bernal should be ready and Baez as well. They have others coming through and should be able to fill holes with trades or a strategic free agent signing or 2.

Trading Donovan could help bring value back for a desperately needed RH corner OF bat or a solid arm in the starting rotation. His bat plays at 2B, not so much in the corner OF and 3B, where more power is demanded. And with Wetherholt waiting in the wings...he looks as if he could be a better version of Donovan with 6 years of control and 6 years younger. Have to trade quality for quality, and there will be a logjam developing at 2B. You're not going to fetch much trading the likes of Noot, Saggese, Gorman, Walker, etc.

Trading Donovan is the move imo. Has value now and will not be signed in 28.

I think 28 gives us more time. My concern. Do we get back better or equal. If not why do it now.

You’d wanna trade for an outfield bat or pitcher. Will that plug be as valuable as a GG cheap super U.

[2ninr]

Can we all agree now that Pages is nothing but maybe serviceable MLB backup? His OPS is only better than Hampson's on this roster, and he's not some pitcher whisperer as one know it all on this site suggests. I guess it's okay for him to play out this season if Crooks isn't ready anytime this year. But that should be all, folks!

And Pallante cannot be counted on to be good or for enough swing and miss. Back to the pen or traded.

And Donovan should be traded. You trade high on him and include some others to get value in return where it's desperately needed -- In the outfield and in the rotation. Wetherholt probably will be here next year. And he looks as if he'll be a better version of Donovan, whose bat does not play in a corner OF spot or at 3B.

Mozeliak never ever trades high as good GMs do. He should've traded Fedde in the offseason along with Helsley. Now both have greatly decreased in value -- Fedde to zero. Good riddance to this Mozo.

I’m with you on Pages. Let him share catching with Pozo 50/50 until September, when Crooks III is called up. Pallante is a fine #5 starter, but he’s our #3. Trade Donovan, I’m fine with that. Just package him with Noot and Crooks III and get a top prospect back. I think Helsley may get a QO. Mo has THE WORST TIMING EVER.

Crooks has a 751 OPS in Memphis. Not sure what that translates into at the MLB level. For example, Fermin, who has never done anything at the ML level has 914 OPS in 238 plate appearances at Memphis. I don't disagree with the assessment on Pages, that he is a backup. Just not sure Crooks is going to set the world on fire either. Bernal is 831 at Springfield and is said to be better defensively. He is probably the real prospect and won't be here until 2027. The real disappointment is we were told Herrera would be great defensively and his hit tool was coming along. If he was great defensively....

I don't get the impulse to trade Donovan. The guy is an 800 OPS hitter. He is 49th in all of MLB in OPS. Outside of Herrera who does not have enough qualifying ABs, we don't have anyone else close except for Contreras at 762, who has been a bit of a disappointment so far this year. To be a contender you need 4-5 guys that 800 OPS guys. They are hard to get. So why trade the guy unless they are going to get a can't miss guy?

The main thing they need to try to do is trade Arenado. That opens up a spot for Wetherholdt and Donovan on the infield. The team will be so LH heavy next year between Donovan, Scott, Noot, Wetherholdt, Burleson and Gorman, at least 1 of those guys needs to be traded if not 2 of them. But, I would take Donovan and Wetherholdt off the list of potentially to be traded and focus on trading Nootbar and Gorman.

I think the potential window for contention will be 2027. Hopefully by then we have Roby, McGreevy and Mathews in the rotation. If they think they can contend, they can exercise the option on Gray and retain him. Bernal should be ready and Baez as well. They have others coming through and should be able to fill holes with trades or a strategic free agent signing or 2.

Trading Donovan could help bring value back for a desperately needed RH corner OF bat or a solid arm in the starting rotation. His bat plays at 2B, not so much in the corner OF and 3B, where more power is demanded. And with Wetherholt waiting in the wings...he looks as if he could be a better version of Donovan with 6 years of control and 6 years younger. Have to trade quality for quality, and there will be a logjam developing at 2B. You're not going to fetch much trading the likes of Noot, Saggese, Gorman, Walker, etc.

Trading Donovan is the move imo. Has value now and will not be signed in 28.

I think 28 gives us more time. My concern. Do we get back better or equal. If not why do it now.

You’d wanna trade for an outfield bat or pitcher. Will that plug be as valuable as a GG cheap super U.

Cheap for 2 more years. It's a brave new world Dog. This is how they do business now. Why do you think they traded Tommy? They aren't going to spend on pieces. And Donovan is a piece.

[Bomber1]

trading Helsley in the offseason hit a roadblock, because there was basically zero market for a closer. 1 trade happened, 1 FA signing happened all of the off season. The offers we had were bad, I don't put any blame on Mo for not trading Helsley. Derrick Goold documented this back in January. You can't MAKE another team give you what you want if there's zero urgency in trading for a closer.

Respect your opinions, but I don’t remember any offers being made public.
And please, Derrick Goold “documented” this?

Is there a link to this as again, I don’t remember anything other than that Helsley wasn’t traded?

[Bomber1]

trading Helsley in the offseason hit a roadblock, because there was basically zero market for a closer. 1 trade happened, 1 FA signing happened all of the off season. The offers we had were bad, I don't put any blame on Mo for not trading Helsley. Derrick Goold documented this back in January. You can't MAKE another team give you what you want if there's zero urgency in trading for a closer.

Ding ding !
Excellent points that others disregard.
Goold wrote about it last January.

What did he write?

[rockondlouie]

Can we all agree now that Pages is nothing but maybe serviceable MLB backup? His OPS is only better than Hampson's on this roster, and he's not some pitcher whisperer as one know it all on this site suggests. I guess it's okay for him to play out this season if Crooks isn't ready anytime this year. But that should be all, folks!

And Pallante cannot be counted on to be good or for enough swing and miss. Back to the pen or traded.

And Donovan should be traded. You trade high on him and include some others to get value in return where it's desperately needed -- In the outfield and in the rotation. Wetherholt probably will be here next year. And he looks as if he'll be a better version of Donovan, whose bat does not play in a corner OF spot or at 3B.

Mozeliak never ever trades high as good GMs do. He should've traded Fedde in the offseason along with Helsley. Now both have greatly decreased in value -- Fedde to zero. Good riddance to this Mozo.

-Pages is very solid receiver/thrower but is nothing but a backup since he can't hit.

-Pallante is a #5 at best

-I wouldn't trade Donovan, I would now trade Noot

-Helsley will still command a solid return, even if you hold him till the final week of the TDL

-Fedde, hindsight since he looked really good after he came here in 2024

That said, Mo is incompetent and so is his hand picked manager, Mo is but both have to be gone at seasons end.

[BrockFloodMaris]

Can we all agree now that Pages is nothing but maybe serviceable MLB backup? His OPS is only better than Hampson's on this roster, and he's not some pitcher whisperer as one know it all on this site suggests. I guess it's okay for him to play out this season if Crooks isn't ready anytime this year. But that should be all, folks!

And Pallante cannot be counted on to be good or for enough swing and miss. Back to the pen or traded.

And Donovan should be traded. You trade high on him and include some others to get value in return where it's desperately needed -- In the outfield and in the rotation. Wetherholt probably will be here next year. And he looks as if he'll be a better version of Donovan, whose bat does not play in a corner OF spot or at 3B.

Mozeliak never ever trades high as good GMs do. He should've traded Fedde in the offseason along with Helsley. Now both have greatly decreased in value -- Fedde to zero. Good riddance to this Mozo.

I’m with you on Pages. Let him share catching with Pozo 50/50 until September, when Crooks III is called up. Pallante is a fine #5 starter, but he’s our #3. Trade Donovan, I’m fine with that. Just package him with Noot and Crooks III and get a top prospect back. I think Helsley may get a QO. Mo has THE WORST TIMING EVER.

Crooks has a 751 OPS in Memphis. Not sure what that translates into at the MLB level. For example, Fermin, who has never done anything at the ML level has 914 OPS in 238 plate appearances at Memphis. I don't disagree with the assessment on Pages, that he is a backup. Just not sure Crooks is going to set the world on fire either. Bernal is 831 at Springfield and is said to be better defensively. He is probably the real prospect and won't be here until 2027. The real disappointment is we were told Herrera would be great defensively and his hit tool was coming along. If he was great defensively....

I don't get the impulse to trade Donovan. The guy is an 800 OPS hitter. He is 49th in all of MLB in OPS. Outside of Herrera who does not have enough qualifying ABs, we don't have anyone else close except for Contreras at 762, who has been a bit of a disappointment so far this year. To be a contender you need 4-5 guys that 800 OPS guys. They are hard to get. So why trade the guy unless they are going to get a can't miss guy?

The main thing they need to try to do is trade Arenado. That opens up a spot for Wetherholdt and Donovan on the infield. The team will be so LH heavy next year between Donovan, Scott, Noot, Wetherholdt, Burleson and Gorman, at least 1 of those guys needs to be traded if not 2 of them. But, I would take Donovan and Wetherholdt off the list of potentially to be traded and focus on trading Nootbar and Gorman.

I think the potential window for contention will be 2027. Hopefully by then we have Roby, McGreevy and Mathews in the rotation. If they think they can contend, they can exercise the option on Gray and retain him. Bernal should be ready and Baez as well. They have others coming through and should be able to fill holes with trades or a strategic free agent signing or 2.

No argument here. Didn't Mo say last off season that trading Arenado was priority #1, #2 and #3? For all the things that didn't happen last off season, not trading Nado was the most disappointing. When that didn't occur, Mo seemed frozen to make any other deals.

What if we could trade for George Springer next offseason, with one year left on his contract? I might be willing to offer some combination of Donnie, Noot and Crooks III to make that happen. That's how much I want a RH thumper at corner OF.

[BrummerStealsHome]

Can we all agree now that Pages is nothing but maybe serviceable MLB backup? His OPS is only better than Hampson's on this roster, and he's not some pitcher whisperer as one know it all on this site suggests. I guess it's okay for him to play out this season if Crooks isn't ready anytime this year. But that should be all, folks!

And Pallante cannot be counted on to be good or for enough swing and miss. Back to the pen or traded.

And Donovan should be traded. You trade high on him and include some others to get value in return where it's desperately needed -- In the outfield and in the rotation. Wetherholt probably will be here next year. And he looks as if he'll be a better version of Donovan, whose bat does not play in a corner OF spot or at 3B.

Mozeliak never ever trades high as good GMs do. He should've traded Fedde in the offseason along with Helsley. Now both have greatly decreased in value -- Fedde to zero. Good riddance to this Mozo.

Agree on most everything, but Helsley has not greatly decreased. He would still be a welcome addition to a contending team.

But value decreases over time. He was much more valuable in the offseason.

If there is one constant in baseball is that teams in contention will overpay, desperately overpay, for pitching at the trade deadline. Guys like Fedde and Miko-loss will create more return nead the deadline than they would in the offseason or spring.

[Cranny]

Can we all agree now that Pages is nothing but maybe serviceable MLB backup? His OPS is only better than Hampson's on this roster, and he's not some pitcher whisperer as one know it all on this site suggests. I guess it's okay for him to play out this season if Crooks isn't ready anytime this year. But that should be all, folks!

And Pallante cannot be counted on to be good or for enough swing and miss. Back to the pen or traded.

And Donovan should be traded. You trade high on him and include some others to get value in return where it's desperately needed -- In the outfield and in the rotation. Wetherholt probably will be here next year. And he looks as if he'll be a better version of Donovan, whose bat does not play in a corner OF spot or at 3B.

Mozeliak never ever trades high as good GMs do. He should've traded Fedde in the offseason along with Helsley. Now both have greatly decreased in value -- Fedde to zero. Good riddance to this Mozo.

Who’s “this Mozo”?

[Futuregm2]

Can we all agree now that Pages is nothing but maybe serviceable MLB backup? His OPS is only better than Hampson's on this roster, and he's not some pitcher whisperer as one know it all on this site suggests. I guess it's okay for him to play out this season if Crooks isn't ready anytime this year. But that should be all, folks!

And Pallante cannot be counted on to be good or for enough swing and miss. Back to the pen or traded.

And Donovan should be traded. You trade high on him and include some others to get value in return where it's desperately needed -- In the outfield and in the rotation. Wetherholt probably will be here next year. And he looks as if he'll be a better version of Donovan, whose bat does not play in a corner OF spot or at 3B.

Mozeliak never ever trades high as good GMs do. He should've traded Fedde in the offseason along with Helsley. Now both have greatly decreased in value -- Fedde to zero. Good riddance to this Mozo.

I’m with you on Pages. Let him share catching with Pozo 50/50 until September, when Crooks III is called up. Pallante is a fine #5 starter, but he’s our #3. Trade Donovan, I’m fine with that. Just package him with Noot and Crooks III and get a top prospect back. I think Helsley may get a QO. Mo has THE WORST TIMING EVER.

Crooks has a 751 OPS in Memphis. Not sure what that translates into at the MLB level. For example, Fermin, who has never done anything at the ML level has 914 OPS in 238 plate appearances at Memphis. I don't disagree with the assessment on Pages, that he is a backup. Just not sure Crooks is going to set the world on fire either. Bernal is 831 at Springfield and is said to be better defensively. He is probably the real prospect and won't be here until 2027. The real disappointment is we were told Herrera would be great defensively and his hit tool was coming along. If he was great defensively....

I don't get the impulse to trade Donovan. The guy is an 800 OPS hitter. He is 49th in all of MLB in OPS. Outside of Herrera who does not have enough qualifying ABs, we don't have anyone else close except for Contreras at 762, who has been a bit of a disappointment so far this year. To be a contender you need 4-5 guys that 800 OPS guys. They are hard to get. So why trade the guy unless they are going to get a can't miss guy?

The main thing they need to try to do is trade Arenado. That opens up a spot for Wetherholdt and Donovan on the infield. The team will be so LH heavy next year between Donovan, Scott, Noot, Wetherholdt, Burleson and Gorman, at least 1 of those guys needs to be traded if not 2 of them. But, I would take Donovan and Wetherholdt off the list of potentially to be traded and focus on trading Nootbar and Gorman.

I think the potential window for contention will be 2027. Hopefully by then we have Roby, McGreevy and Mathews in the rotation. If they think they can contend, they can exercise the option on Gray and retain him. Bernal should be ready and Baez as well. They have others coming through and should be able to fill holes with trades or a strategic free agent signing or 2.

No argument here. Didn't Mo say last off season that trading Arenado was priority #1, #2 and #3? For all the things that didn't happen last off season, not trading Nado was the most disappointing. When that didn't occur, Mo seemed frozen to make any other deals.

What if we could trade for George Springer next offseason, with one year left on his contract? I might be willing to offer some combination of Donnie, Noot and Crooks III to make that happen. That's how much I want a RH thumper at corner OF.

Blue Jays would jump all over that. Springer is going to be 36 years old in September. He had a .674 OPS just last year and looked like he was quite possibly done given his age and decline. I wouldn’t mind him at the right price, but not for some combination of Donnie or Nootbaar. I would definitely be willing to deal Donnie and Noot though.