Who's the better defensive shortstop? Scott in CF.

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Re: Who's the better defensive shortstop? Scott in CF.

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Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 11:05 am
rockondlouie wrote: 08 Jul 2025 10:59 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 08 Jul 2025 10:56 am
rockondlouie wrote: 08 Jul 2025 10:54 am JJW is targeted for 2nd base, not 3rd base and definitely not SS where Winn is the future.

While it would be great if C. Bloom has his new Manager/Coaches hand him an OF'ers glove and he really took to it, that probably isn't happening.

He could be the OD 2nd baseman in 2026 if he does well at Memphis and in STing.
Then a GG Donovan moves to ….
Left Field, we need OF'ers who can hit and he's the only one we've got on today's roster!

And the GG was for Utility Man, not exclusively 2nd base where T. Edman won his.
"we need OF'ers who can hit and he's the only one we've got on today's roster!" So you don't feel Burleson can hit? If so, you'd probably get some disagreement around the league. I hope Wetherholt becomes as good of a MLB hitter as Donovan and Burleson.
Burleson may play the outfield for another year or 2 until contreras leaves, but longterm hes not gonna stick there and will permanently move to 1b. Burkeson is already iffy in the outfield and defense usually falls off faster than offense as a player ages except for some of the super athletic. Example- holliday was an avg defender im his young 20s then fell off and became terrible- same for ozuna and others. And less face it. Burleson isnt a super athletic body type. Hes not gonna age well and get better in the outfield which hes played for several years. He will play it to willy con goes but then will be a 1b.
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Re: Who's the better defensive shortstop? Scott in CF.

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Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 11:05 am
rockondlouie wrote: 08 Jul 2025 10:59 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 08 Jul 2025 10:56 am
rockondlouie wrote: 08 Jul 2025 10:54 am JJW is targeted for 2nd base, not 3rd base and definitely not SS where Winn is the future.

While it would be great if C. Bloom has his new Manager/Coaches hand him an OF'ers glove and he really took to it, that probably isn't happening.

He could be the OD 2nd baseman in 2026 if he does well at Memphis and in STing.
Then a GG Donovan moves to ….
Left Field, we need OF'ers who can hit and he's the only one we've got on today's roster!

And the GG was for Utility Man, not exclusively 2nd base where T. Edman won his.
"we need OF'ers who can hit and he's the only one we've got on today's roster!" So you don't feel Burleson can hit? If so, you'd probably get some disagreement around the league. I hope Wetherholt becomes as good of a MLB hitter as Donovan and Burleson.
You should know better than most that I've not only praised the Bison lately but also been pointing out his defense this season is better than Walker's in RF.

That said, he's got to show he can hit LHP for a full season before we can consider him a FT rightfielder.
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Re: Who's the better defensive shortstop? Scott in CF.

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sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 08 Jul 2025 11:08 am
rockondlouie wrote: 08 Jul 2025 10:59 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 08 Jul 2025 10:56 am
rockondlouie wrote: 08 Jul 2025 10:54 am JJW is targeted for 2nd base, not 3rd base and definitely not SS where Winn is the future.

While it would be great if C. Bloom has his new Manager/Coaches hand him an OF'ers glove and he really took to it, that probably isn't happening.

He could be the OD 2nd baseman in 2026 if he does well at Memphis and in STing.
Then a GG Donovan moves to ….
Left Field, we need OF'ers who can hit and he's the only one we've got on today's roster!

And the GG was for Utility Man, not exclusively 2nd base where T. Edman won his.
Ok he might hit as a LF.

As for the GG you like me is an infielder. If you have a GG at utility, which heavily included second, you are very nifty with the glove. At this level, the difference on the GG trophy is just a name.
I'd take his career 118 OPS+ and defense in LF as long as Bloom adds a true stud bat in either CF or RF.
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Re: Who's the better defensive shortstop? Scott in CF.

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Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 08:31 am
HorseTrader wrote: 08 Jul 2025 07:42 am
Shady wrote: 07 Jul 2025 20:00 pm
CorneliusWolfe wrote: 07 Jul 2025 19:40 pm
Shady wrote: 07 Jul 2025 18:33 pm And hitter. Winn or Wetherholt? Is Scott going to hit enough to be CF of the future for the Cardinals? If not, ether Winn or Wetherholy might be a good option. Just thinking outside the box.
Winn is already one of the best defensive SS in the game with an elite throwing arm. Your plan also gives up on VS very early, who is also an elite defender. If you're already strong up the middle, why disrupt? Defense is one of this teams only real sustainable strengths. TIred of seeing defense undervalued.

JJW at CF will also delay his arrival unless you want another Jordan Walker situation where he has to learn a new position at the ML level.

JJW should either replace Donovan who turns 29 before next season or Arenado if he waives NTC and moves on. I'm thinking they might sell high on Donovan if JJW shows strong at Memphis. They've already haggled him hard in arbitration.
Good post. But Wetherholt to CF could easily turned out like the stud for Arizona. IMO. It would sure help fitting both Saggese and Gorman into a future lineup. I'm concerned about Scott's strikeout rate.
What stud for the DBacks? Their CF (Alek Thomas) didn't move from SS to CF. I also doubt anyone considers him a stud (except for you). Now if so happens that you are confused and were thinking about their RF Corbin Carroll, well he is a good player but far as I can tell he never played SS.

One or the other of them may have played a little SS in high school but that's the end of it. Both started their pro careers in the OF. The only similarity is they were drafted out of high school.
I could be mistaken, but I seem to recall Corbin being a converted infielder. And I believe he's played some CF for Arizona.
You are mistaken. In his pro career he's played OF including some in CF but ZERO infield.

Sundin knew from day one that Carroll would be special. He placed Carroll at the leadoff spot and in the outfield right away, knowing he would be able to help the team, which was unusual for a freshman. Sundin was his high school coach.

https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2023/10/ ... utfielder/
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Re: Who's the better defensive shortstop? Scott in CF.

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HorseTrader wrote: 08 Jul 2025 14:14 pm
Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 08:31 am
HorseTrader wrote: 08 Jul 2025 07:42 am
Shady wrote: 07 Jul 2025 20:00 pm
CorneliusWolfe wrote: 07 Jul 2025 19:40 pm
Shady wrote: 07 Jul 2025 18:33 pm And hitter. Winn or Wetherholt? Is Scott going to hit enough to be CF of the future for the Cardinals? If not, ether Winn or Wetherholy might be a good option. Just thinking outside the box.
Winn is already one of the best defensive SS in the game with an elite throwing arm. Your plan also gives up on VS very early, who is also an elite defender. If you're already strong up the middle, why disrupt? Defense is one of this teams only real sustainable strengths. TIred of seeing defense undervalued.

JJW at CF will also delay his arrival unless you want another Jordan Walker situation where he has to learn a new position at the ML level.

JJW should either replace Donovan who turns 29 before next season or Arenado if he waives NTC and moves on. I'm thinking they might sell high on Donovan if JJW shows strong at Memphis. They've already haggled him hard in arbitration.
Good post. But Wetherholt to CF could easily turned out like the stud for Arizona. IMO. It would sure help fitting both Saggese and Gorman into a future lineup. I'm concerned about Scott's strikeout rate.
What stud for the DBacks? Their CF (Alek Thomas) didn't move from SS to CF. I also doubt anyone considers him a stud (except for you). Now if so happens that you are confused and were thinking about their RF Corbin Carroll, well he is a good player but far as I can tell he never played SS.

One or the other of them may have played a little SS in high school but that's the end of it. Both started their pro careers in the OF. The only similarity is they were drafted out of high school.
I could be mistaken, but I seem to recall Corbin being a converted infielder. And I believe he's played some CF for Arizona.
You are mistaken. In his pro career he's played OF including some in CF but ZERO infield.

Sundin knew from day one that Carroll would be special. He placed Carroll at the leadoff spot and in the outfield right away, knowing he would be able to help the team, which was unusual for a freshman. Sundin was his high school coach.

https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2023/10/ ... utfielder/
Maybe not as a pro. But I'm pretty sure Corbin was an infielder at some point earlier. To me, there is no doubt Wetherholt's athleticism could transition into a very good defensive CF. This would only be necessitated by making more room for Donovan, Gorman and Saggese.
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Re: Who's the better defensive shortstop? Scott in CF.

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Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 16:28 pm
HorseTrader wrote: 08 Jul 2025 14:14 pm
Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 08:31 am
HorseTrader wrote: 08 Jul 2025 07:42 am
Shady wrote: 07 Jul 2025 20:00 pm
CorneliusWolfe wrote: 07 Jul 2025 19:40 pm
Shady wrote: 07 Jul 2025 18:33 pm And hitter. Winn or Wetherholt? Is Scott going to hit enough to be CF of the future for the Cardinals? If not, ether Winn or Wetherholy might be a good option. Just thinking outside the box.
Winn is already one of the best defensive SS in the game with an elite throwing arm. Your plan also gives up on VS very early, who is also an elite defender. If you're already strong up the middle, why disrupt? Defense is one of this teams only real sustainable strengths. TIred of seeing defense undervalued.

JJW at CF will also delay his arrival unless you want another Jordan Walker situation where he has to learn a new position at the ML level.

JJW should either replace Donovan who turns 29 before next season or Arenado if he waives NTC and moves on. I'm thinking they might sell high on Donovan if JJW shows strong at Memphis. They've already haggled him hard in arbitration.
Good post. But Wetherholt to CF could easily turned out like the stud for Arizona. IMO. It would sure help fitting both Saggese and Gorman into a future lineup. I'm concerned about Scott's strikeout rate.
What stud for the DBacks? Their CF (Alek Thomas) didn't move from SS to CF. I also doubt anyone considers him a stud (except for you). Now if so happens that you are confused and were thinking about their RF Corbin Carroll, well he is a good player but far as I can tell he never played SS.

One or the other of them may have played a little SS in high school but that's the end of it. Both started their pro careers in the OF. The only similarity is they were drafted out of high school.
I could be mistaken, but I seem to recall Corbin being a converted infielder. And I believe he's played some CF for Arizona.
You are mistaken. In his pro career he's played OF including some in CF but ZERO infield.

Sundin knew from day one that Carroll would be special. He placed Carroll at the leadoff spot and in the outfield right away, knowing he would be able to help the team, which was unusual for a freshman. Sundin was his high school coach.

https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2023/10/ ... utfielder/
Maybe not as a pro. But I'm pretty sure Corbin was an infielder at some point earlier. To me, there is no doubt Wetherholt's athleticism could transition into a very good defensive CF. This would only be necessitated by making more room for Donovan, Gorman and Saggese.
CC played some IF in minors but not in bigs.
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Re: Who's the better defensive shortstop? Scott in CF.

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CorneliusWolfe wrote: 08 Jul 2025 16:53 pm
Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 16:28 pm
HorseTrader wrote: 08 Jul 2025 14:14 pm
Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 08:31 am
HorseTrader wrote: 08 Jul 2025 07:42 am
Shady wrote: 07 Jul 2025 20:00 pm
CorneliusWolfe wrote: 07 Jul 2025 19:40 pm
Shady wrote: 07 Jul 2025 18:33 pm And hitter. Winn or Wetherholt? Is Scott going to hit enough to be CF of the future for the Cardinals? If not, ether Winn or Wetherholy might be a good option. Just thinking outside the box.
Winn is already one of the best defensive SS in the game with an elite throwing arm. Your plan also gives up on VS very early, who is also an elite defender. If you're already strong up the middle, why disrupt? Defense is one of this teams only real sustainable strengths. TIred of seeing defense undervalued.

JJW at CF will also delay his arrival unless you want another Jordan Walker situation where he has to learn a new position at the ML level.

JJW should either replace Donovan who turns 29 before next season or Arenado if he waives NTC and moves on. I'm thinking they might sell high on Donovan if JJW shows strong at Memphis. They've already haggled him hard in arbitration.
Good post. But Wetherholt to CF could easily turned out like the stud for Arizona. IMO. It would sure help fitting both Saggese and Gorman into a future lineup. I'm concerned about Scott's strikeout rate.
What stud for the DBacks? Their CF (Alek Thomas) didn't move from SS to CF. I also doubt anyone considers him a stud (except for you). Now if so happens that you are confused and were thinking about their RF Corbin Carroll, well he is a good player but far as I can tell he never played SS.

One or the other of them may have played a little SS in high school but that's the end of it. Both started their pro careers in the OF. The only similarity is they were drafted out of high school.
I could be mistaken, but I seem to recall Corbin being a converted infielder. And I believe he's played some CF for Arizona.
You are mistaken. In his pro career he's played OF including some in CF but ZERO infield.

Sundin knew from day one that Carroll would be special. He placed Carroll at the leadoff spot and in the outfield right away, knowing he would be able to help the team, which was unusual for a freshman. Sundin was his high school coach.

https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2023/10/ ... utfielder/
Maybe not as a pro. But I'm pretty sure Corbin was an infielder at some point earlier. To me, there is no doubt Wetherholt's athleticism could transition into a very good defensive CF. This would only be necessitated by making more room for Donovan, Gorman and Saggese.
CC played some IF in minors but not in bigs.
the stats I'm looking at, Corbin Carroll played 3 positions in the Minors ...2019, 2021, 2022...and those were LF, RF, CF.

He's never played infield as a pro...
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Jordan Walker was a pitcher and SS in high school

:roll:

Albert Pujols and Trevor Rosenthal played SS in college :roll:

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maybe Korben Dallas played SS during The Fifth Element?
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Re: Who's the better defensive shortstop? Scott in CF.

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craviduce wrote: 08 Jul 2025 16:57 pm
CorneliusWolfe wrote: 08 Jul 2025 16:53 pm
Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 16:28 pm
HorseTrader wrote: 08 Jul 2025 14:14 pm
Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 08:31 am
HorseTrader wrote: 08 Jul 2025 07:42 am
Shady wrote: 07 Jul 2025 20:00 pm
CorneliusWolfe wrote: 07 Jul 2025 19:40 pm
Shady wrote: 07 Jul 2025 18:33 pm And hitter. Winn or Wetherholt? Is Scott going to hit enough to be CF of the future for the Cardinals? If not, ether Winn or Wetherholy might be a good option. Just thinking outside the box.
Winn is already one of the best defensive SS in the game with an elite throwing arm. Your plan also gives up on VS very early, who is also an elite defender. If you're already strong up the middle, why disrupt? Defense is one of this teams only real sustainable strengths. TIred of seeing defense undervalued.

JJW at CF will also delay his arrival unless you want another Jordan Walker situation where he has to learn a new position at the ML level.

JJW should either replace Donovan who turns 29 before next season or Arenado if he waives NTC and moves on. I'm thinking they might sell high on Donovan if JJW shows strong at Memphis. They've already haggled him hard in arbitration.
Good post. But Wetherholt to CF could easily turned out like the stud for Arizona. IMO. It would sure help fitting both Saggese and Gorman into a future lineup. I'm concerned about Scott's strikeout rate.
What stud for the DBacks? Their CF (Alek Thomas) didn't move from SS to CF. I also doubt anyone considers him a stud (except for you). Now if so happens that you are confused and were thinking about their RF Corbin Carroll, well he is a good player but far as I can tell he never played SS.

One or the other of them may have played a little SS in high school but that's the end of it. Both started their pro careers in the OF. The only similarity is they were drafted out of high school.
I could be mistaken, but I seem to recall Corbin being a converted infielder. And I believe he's played some CF for Arizona.
You are mistaken. In his pro career he's played OF including some in CF but ZERO infield.

Sundin knew from day one that Carroll would be special. He placed Carroll at the leadoff spot and in the outfield right away, knowing he would be able to help the team, which was unusual for a freshman. Sundin was his high school coach.

https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2023/10/ ... utfielder/
Maybe not as a pro. But I'm pretty sure Corbin was an infielder at some point earlier. To me, there is no doubt Wetherholt's athleticism could transition into a very good defensive CF. This would only be necessitated by making more room for Donovan, Gorman and Saggese.
CC played some IF in minors but not in bigs.
the stats I'm looking at, Corbin Carroll played 3 positions in the Minors ...2019, 2021, 2022...and those were LF, RF, CF.

He's never played infield as a pro...
Tell me this, could he have been an infielder before pro ball? Like I indicated. And made the transition to the outfield as a pro. Is that a possible scenario?
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Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 17:11 pm
craviduce wrote: 08 Jul 2025 16:57 pm
CorneliusWolfe wrote: 08 Jul 2025 16:53 pm
Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 16:28 pm
HorseTrader wrote: 08 Jul 2025 14:14 pm
Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 08:31 am
HorseTrader wrote: 08 Jul 2025 07:42 am
Shady wrote: 07 Jul 2025 20:00 pm
CorneliusWolfe wrote: 07 Jul 2025 19:40 pm
Shady wrote: 07 Jul 2025 18:33 pm And hitter. Winn or Wetherholt? Is Scott going to hit enough to be CF of the future for the Cardinals? If not, ether Winn or Wetherholy might be a good option. Just thinking outside the box.
Winn is already one of the best defensive SS in the game with an elite throwing arm. Your plan also gives up on VS very early, who is also an elite defender. If you're already strong up the middle, why disrupt? Defense is one of this teams only real sustainable strengths. TIred of seeing defense undervalued.

JJW at CF will also delay his arrival unless you want another Jordan Walker situation where he has to learn a new position at the ML level.

JJW should either replace Donovan who turns 29 before next season or Arenado if he waives NTC and moves on. I'm thinking they might sell high on Donovan if JJW shows strong at Memphis. They've already haggled him hard in arbitration.
Good post. But Wetherholt to CF could easily turned out like the stud for Arizona. IMO. It would sure help fitting both Saggese and Gorman into a future lineup. I'm concerned about Scott's strikeout rate.
What stud for the DBacks? Their CF (Alek Thomas) didn't move from SS to CF. I also doubt anyone considers him a stud (except for you). Now if so happens that you are confused and were thinking about their RF Corbin Carroll, well he is a good player but far as I can tell he never played SS.

One or the other of them may have played a little SS in high school but that's the end of it. Both started their pro careers in the OF. The only similarity is they were drafted out of high school.
I could be mistaken, but I seem to recall Corbin being a converted infielder. And I believe he's played some CF for Arizona.
You are mistaken. In his pro career he's played OF including some in CF but ZERO infield.

Sundin knew from day one that Carroll would be special. He placed Carroll at the leadoff spot and in the outfield right away, knowing he would be able to help the team, which was unusual for a freshman. Sundin was his high school coach.

https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2023/10/ ... utfielder/
Maybe not as a pro. But I'm pretty sure Corbin was an infielder at some point earlier. To me, there is no doubt Wetherholt's athleticism could transition into a very good defensive CF. This would only be necessitated by making more room for Donovan, Gorman and Saggese.
CC played some IF in minors but not in bigs.
the stats I'm looking at, Corbin Carroll played 3 positions in the Minors ...2019, 2021, 2022...and those were LF, RF, CF.

He's never played infield as a pro...
Tell me this, could he have been an infielder before pro ball? Like I indicated. And made the transition to the outfield as a pro. Is that a possible scenario?
I don't know, you seem believe it, so...give us the back ground, proof, pay stubs.
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craviduce wrote: 08 Jul 2025 17:12 pm
Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 17:11 pm
craviduce wrote: 08 Jul 2025 16:57 pm
CorneliusWolfe wrote: 08 Jul 2025 16:53 pm
Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 16:28 pm
HorseTrader wrote: 08 Jul 2025 14:14 pm
Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 08:31 am
HorseTrader wrote: 08 Jul 2025 07:42 am
Shady wrote: 07 Jul 2025 20:00 pm
CorneliusWolfe wrote: 07 Jul 2025 19:40 pm
Shady wrote: 07 Jul 2025 18:33 pm And hitter. Winn or Wetherholt? Is Scott going to hit enough to be CF of the future for the Cardinals? If not, ether Winn or Wetherholy might be a good option. Just thinking outside the box.
Winn is already one of the best defensive SS in the game with an elite throwing arm. Your plan also gives up on VS very early, who is also an elite defender. If you're already strong up the middle, why disrupt? Defense is one of this teams only real sustainable strengths. TIred of seeing defense undervalued.

JJW at CF will also delay his arrival unless you want another Jordan Walker situation where he has to learn a new position at the ML level.

JJW should either replace Donovan who turns 29 before next season or Arenado if he waives NTC and moves on. I'm thinking they might sell high on Donovan if JJW shows strong at Memphis. They've already haggled him hard in arbitration.
Good post. But Wetherholt to CF could easily turned out like the stud for Arizona. IMO. It would sure help fitting both Saggese and Gorman into a future lineup. I'm concerned about Scott's strikeout rate.
What stud for the DBacks? Their CF (Alek Thomas) didn't move from SS to CF. I also doubt anyone considers him a stud (except for you). Now if so happens that you are confused and were thinking about their RF Corbin Carroll, well he is a good player but far as I can tell he never played SS.

One or the other of them may have played a little SS in high school but that's the end of it. Both started their pro careers in the OF. The only similarity is they were drafted out of high school.
I could be mistaken, but I seem to recall Corbin being a converted infielder. And I believe he's played some CF for Arizona.
You are mistaken. In his pro career he's played OF including some in CF but ZERO infield.

Sundin knew from day one that Carroll would be special. He placed Carroll at the leadoff spot and in the outfield right away, knowing he would be able to help the team, which was unusual for a freshman. Sundin was his high school coach.

https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2023/10/ ... utfielder/
Maybe not as a pro. But I'm pretty sure Corbin was an infielder at some point earlier. To me, there is no doubt Wetherholt's athleticism could transition into a very good defensive CF. This would only be necessitated by making more room for Donovan, Gorman and Saggese.
CC played some IF in minors but not in bigs.
the stats I'm looking at, Corbin Carroll played 3 positions in the Minors ...2019, 2021, 2022...and those were LF, RF, CF.

He's never played infield as a pro...
Tell me this, could he have been an infielder before pro ball? Like I indicated. And made the transition to the outfield as a pro. Is that a possible scenario?
I don't know, you seem believe it, so...give us the back ground, proof, pay stubs.
I heard it mentioned about Corbin on a tv broadcast. By the way, I thought you advised your click to ignore me. What happened to that?
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Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 17:13 pm
craviduce wrote: 08 Jul 2025 17:12 pm
Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 17:11 pm
craviduce wrote: 08 Jul 2025 16:57 pm
CorneliusWolfe wrote: 08 Jul 2025 16:53 pm
Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 16:28 pm
HorseTrader wrote: 08 Jul 2025 14:14 pm
Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 08:31 am
HorseTrader wrote: 08 Jul 2025 07:42 am
Shady wrote: 07 Jul 2025 20:00 pm
CorneliusWolfe wrote: 07 Jul 2025 19:40 pm
Shady wrote: 07 Jul 2025 18:33 pm And hitter. Winn or Wetherholt? Is Scott going to hit enough to be CF of the future for the Cardinals? If not, ether Winn or Wetherholy might be a good option. Just thinking outside the box.
Winn is already one of the best defensive SS in the game with an elite throwing arm. Your plan also gives up on VS very early, who is also an elite defender. If you're already strong up the middle, why disrupt? Defense is one of this teams only real sustainable strengths. TIred of seeing defense undervalued.

JJW at CF will also delay his arrival unless you want another Jordan Walker situation where he has to learn a new position at the ML level.

JJW should either replace Donovan who turns 29 before next season or Arenado if he waives NTC and moves on. I'm thinking they might sell high on Donovan if JJW shows strong at Memphis. They've already haggled him hard in arbitration.
Good post. But Wetherholt to CF could easily turned out like the stud for Arizona. IMO. It would sure help fitting both Saggese and Gorman into a future lineup. I'm concerned about Scott's strikeout rate.
What stud for the DBacks? Their CF (Alek Thomas) didn't move from SS to CF. I also doubt anyone considers him a stud (except for you). Now if so happens that you are confused and were thinking about their RF Corbin Carroll, well he is a good player but far as I can tell he never played SS.

One or the other of them may have played a little SS in high school but that's the end of it. Both started their pro careers in the OF. The only similarity is they were drafted out of high school.
I could be mistaken, but I seem to recall Corbin being a converted infielder. And I believe he's played some CF for Arizona.
You are mistaken. In his pro career he's played OF including some in CF but ZERO infield.

Sundin knew from day one that Carroll would be special. He placed Carroll at the leadoff spot and in the outfield right away, knowing he would be able to help the team, which was unusual for a freshman. Sundin was his high school coach.

https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2023/10/ ... utfielder/
Maybe not as a pro. But I'm pretty sure Corbin was an infielder at some point earlier. To me, there is no doubt Wetherholt's athleticism could transition into a very good defensive CF. This would only be necessitated by making more room for Donovan, Gorman and Saggese.
CC played some IF in minors but not in bigs.
the stats I'm looking at, Corbin Carroll played 3 positions in the Minors ...2019, 2021, 2022...and those were LF, RF, CF.

He's never played infield as a pro...
Tell me this, could he have been an infielder before pro ball? Like I indicated. And made the transition to the outfield as a pro. Is that a possible scenario?
I don't know, you seem believe it, so...give us the back ground, proof, pay stubs.
O heard it mentioned about Corbin on a tv broadcast.
yeah? Which broadcast, is it still available? Link it, please.
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craviduce wrote: 08 Jul 2025 17:14 pm
Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 17:13 pm
craviduce wrote: 08 Jul 2025 17:12 pm
Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 17:11 pm
craviduce wrote: 08 Jul 2025 16:57 pm
CorneliusWolfe wrote: 08 Jul 2025 16:53 pm
Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 16:28 pm
HorseTrader wrote: 08 Jul 2025 14:14 pm
Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 08:31 am
HorseTrader wrote: 08 Jul 2025 07:42 am
Shady wrote: 07 Jul 2025 20:00 pm
CorneliusWolfe wrote: 07 Jul 2025 19:40 pm
Winn is already one of the best defensive SS in the game with an elite throwing arm. Your plan also gives up on VS very early, who is also an elite defender. If you're already strong up the middle, why disrupt? Defense is one of this teams only real sustainable strengths. TIred of seeing defense undervalued.

JJW at CF will also delay his arrival unless you want another Jordan Walker situation where he has to learn a new position at the ML level.

JJW should either replace Donovan who turns 29 before next season or Arenado if he waives NTC and moves on. I'm thinking they might sell high on Donovan if JJW shows strong at Memphis. They've already haggled him hard in arbitration.
Good post. But Wetherholt to CF could easily turned out like the stud for Arizona. IMO. It would sure help fitting both Saggese and Gorman into a future lineup. I'm concerned about Scott's strikeout rate.
What stud for the DBacks? Their CF (Alek Thomas) didn't move from SS to CF. I also doubt anyone considers him a stud (except for you). Now if so happens that you are confused and were thinking about their RF Corbin Carroll, well he is a good player but far as I can tell he never played SS.

One or the other of them may have played a little SS in high school but that's the end of it. Both started their pro careers in the OF. The only similarity is they were drafted out of high school.
I could be mistaken, but I seem to recall Corbin being a converted infielder. And I believe he's played some CF for Arizona.
You are mistaken. In his pro career he's played OF including some in CF but ZERO infield.

Sundin knew from day one that Carroll would be special. He placed Carroll at the leadoff spot and in the outfield right away, knowing he would be able to help the team, which was unusual for a freshman. Sundin was his high school coach.

https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2023/10/ ... utfielder/
Maybe not as a pro. But I'm pretty sure Corbin was an infielder at some point earlier. To me, there is no doubt Wetherholt's athleticism could transition into a very good defensive CF. This would only be necessitated by making more room for Donovan, Gorman and Saggese.
CC played some IF in minors but not in bigs.
the stats I'm looking at, Corbin Carroll played 3 positions in the Minors ...2019, 2021, 2022...and those were LF, RF, CF.

He's never played infield as a pro...
Tell me this, could he have been an infielder before pro ball? Like I indicated. And made the transition to the outfield as a pro. Is that a possible scenario?
I don't know, you seem believe it, so...give us the back ground, proof, pay stubs.
O heard it mentioned about Corbin on a tv broadcast.
yeah? Which broadcast, is it still available? Link it, please.
Why the put down attempts? Why be so defensive? Everybody knows your the greatest on CT. You advised your click to ignore me but you can't. What's the deal? Are you a fraud?
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Re: Who's the better defensive shortstop? Scott in CF.

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Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 17:17 pm
craviduce wrote: 08 Jul 2025 17:14 pm
Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 17:13 pm
craviduce wrote: 08 Jul 2025 17:12 pm
Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 17:11 pm
craviduce wrote: 08 Jul 2025 16:57 pm
CorneliusWolfe wrote: 08 Jul 2025 16:53 pm
Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 16:28 pm
HorseTrader wrote: 08 Jul 2025 14:14 pm
Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 08:31 am
HorseTrader wrote: 08 Jul 2025 07:42 am
Shady wrote: 07 Jul 2025 20:00 pm

Good post. But Wetherholt to CF could easily turned out like the stud for Arizona. IMO. It would sure help fitting both Saggese and Gorman into a future lineup. I'm concerned about Scott's strikeout rate.
What stud for the DBacks? Their CF (Alek Thomas) didn't move from SS to CF. I also doubt anyone considers him a stud (except for you). Now if so happens that you are confused and were thinking about their RF Corbin Carroll, well he is a good player but far as I can tell he never played SS.

One or the other of them may have played a little SS in high school but that's the end of it. Both started their pro careers in the OF. The only similarity is they were drafted out of high school.
I could be mistaken, but I seem to recall Corbin being a converted infielder. And I believe he's played some CF for Arizona.
You are mistaken. In his pro career he's played OF including some in CF but ZERO infield.

Sundin knew from day one that Carroll would be special. He placed Carroll at the leadoff spot and in the outfield right away, knowing he would be able to help the team, which was unusual for a freshman. Sundin was his high school coach.

https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2023/10/ ... utfielder/
Maybe not as a pro. But I'm pretty sure Corbin was an infielder at some point earlier. To me, there is no doubt Wetherholt's athleticism could transition into a very good defensive CF. This would only be necessitated by making more room for Donovan, Gorman and Saggese.
CC played some IF in minors but not in bigs.
the stats I'm looking at, Corbin Carroll played 3 positions in the Minors ...2019, 2021, 2022...and those were LF, RF, CF.

He's never played infield as a pro...
Tell me this, could he have been an infielder before pro ball? Like I indicated. And made the transition to the outfield as a pro. Is that a possible scenario?
I don't know, you seem believe it, so...give us the back ground, proof, pay stubs.
O heard it mentioned about Corbin on a tv broadcast.
yeah? Which broadcast, is it still available? Link it, please.
Why the put down attempts? Why be so defensive? Everybody knows your the greatest on CT. You advised your click to ignore me but you can't. What's the deal?
no put down attempts. I never do that with you. You made a claim...people answered the claim. Keep it friendly, don't start name calling or insults, Shady.
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Re: Who's the better defensive shortstop? Scott in CF.

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craviduce wrote: 08 Jul 2025 16:57 pm
CorneliusWolfe wrote: 08 Jul 2025 16:53 pm
Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 16:28 pm
HorseTrader wrote: 08 Jul 2025 14:14 pm
Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 08:31 am
HorseTrader wrote: 08 Jul 2025 07:42 am
Shady wrote: 07 Jul 2025 20:00 pm
CorneliusWolfe wrote: 07 Jul 2025 19:40 pm
Shady wrote: 07 Jul 2025 18:33 pm And hitter. Winn or Wetherholt? Is Scott going to hit enough to be CF of the future for the Cardinals? If not, ether Winn or Wetherholy might be a good option. Just thinking outside the box.
Winn is already one of the best defensive SS in the game with an elite throwing arm. Your plan also gives up on VS very early, who is also an elite defender. If you're already strong up the middle, why disrupt? Defense is one of this teams only real sustainable strengths. TIred of seeing defense undervalued.

JJW at CF will also delay his arrival unless you want another Jordan Walker situation where he has to learn a new position at the ML level.

JJW should either replace Donovan who turns 29 before next season or Arenado if he waives NTC and moves on. I'm thinking they might sell high on Donovan if JJW shows strong at Memphis. They've already haggled him hard in arbitration.
Good post. But Wetherholt to CF could easily turned out like the stud for Arizona. IMO. It would sure help fitting both Saggese and Gorman into a future lineup. I'm concerned about Scott's strikeout rate.
What stud for the DBacks? Their CF (Alek Thomas) didn't move from SS to CF. I also doubt anyone considers him a stud (except for you). Now if so happens that you are confused and were thinking about their RF Corbin Carroll, well he is a good player but far as I can tell he never played SS.

One or the other of them may have played a little SS in high school but that's the end of it. Both started their pro careers in the OF. The only similarity is they were drafted out of high school.
I could be mistaken, but I seem to recall Corbin being a converted infielder. And I believe he's played some CF for Arizona.
You are mistaken. In his pro career he's played OF including some in CF but ZERO infield.

Sundin knew from day one that Carroll would be special. He placed Carroll at the leadoff spot and in the outfield right away, knowing he would be able to help the team, which was unusual for a freshman. Sundin was his high school coach.

https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2023/10/ ... utfielder/
Maybe not as a pro. But I'm pretty sure Corbin was an infielder at some point earlier. To me, there is no doubt Wetherholt's athleticism could transition into a very good defensive CF. This would only be necessitated by making more room for Donovan, Gorman and Saggese.
CC played some IF in minors but not in bigs.
the stats I'm looking at, Corbin Carroll played 3 positions in the Minors ...2019, 2021, 2022...and those were LF, RF, CF.

He's never played infield as a pro...
Looks like you’re right. I googled last night and the AI answer stated he played like 260-something innings at SS in minors, but now that you called me on it, I can’t find anything to support. (bleep) AI!

Sorry for the bad info. Should’ve known not to trust my own lazy research.
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Re: Who's the better defensive shortstop? Scott in CF.

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CorneliusWolfe wrote: 08 Jul 2025 17:29 pm
craviduce wrote: 08 Jul 2025 16:57 pm
CorneliusWolfe wrote: 08 Jul 2025 16:53 pm
Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 16:28 pm
HorseTrader wrote: 08 Jul 2025 14:14 pm
Shady wrote: 08 Jul 2025 08:31 am
HorseTrader wrote: 08 Jul 2025 07:42 am
Shady wrote: 07 Jul 2025 20:00 pm
CorneliusWolfe wrote: 07 Jul 2025 19:40 pm
Shady wrote: 07 Jul 2025 18:33 pm And hitter. Winn or Wetherholt? Is Scott going to hit enough to be CF of the future for the Cardinals? If not, ether Winn or Wetherholy might be a good option. Just thinking outside the box.
Winn is already one of the best defensive SS in the game with an elite throwing arm. Your plan also gives up on VS very early, who is also an elite defender. If you're already strong up the middle, why disrupt? Defense is one of this teams only real sustainable strengths. TIred of seeing defense undervalued.

JJW at CF will also delay his arrival unless you want another Jordan Walker situation where he has to learn a new position at the ML level.

JJW should either replace Donovan who turns 29 before next season or Arenado if he waives NTC and moves on. I'm thinking they might sell high on Donovan if JJW shows strong at Memphis. They've already haggled him hard in arbitration.
Good post. But Wetherholt to CF could easily turned out like the stud for Arizona. IMO. It would sure help fitting both Saggese and Gorman into a future lineup. I'm concerned about Scott's strikeout rate.
What stud for the DBacks? Their CF (Alek Thomas) didn't move from SS to CF. I also doubt anyone considers him a stud (except for you). Now if so happens that you are confused and were thinking about their RF Corbin Carroll, well he is a good player but far as I can tell he never played SS.

One or the other of them may have played a little SS in high school but that's the end of it. Both started their pro careers in the OF. The only similarity is they were drafted out of high school.
I could be mistaken, but I seem to recall Corbin being a converted infielder. And I believe he's played some CF for Arizona.
You are mistaken. In his pro career he's played OF including some in CF but ZERO infield.

Sundin knew from day one that Carroll would be special. He placed Carroll at the leadoff spot and in the outfield right away, knowing he would be able to help the team, which was unusual for a freshman. Sundin was his high school coach.

https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2023/10/ ... utfielder/
Maybe not as a pro. But I'm pretty sure Corbin was an infielder at some point earlier. To me, there is no doubt Wetherholt's athleticism could transition into a very good defensive CF. This would only be necessitated by making more room for Donovan, Gorman and Saggese.
CC played some IF in minors but not in bigs.
the stats I'm looking at, Corbin Carroll played 3 positions in the Minors ...2019, 2021, 2022...and those were LF, RF, CF.

He's never played infield as a pro...
Looks like you’re right. I googled last night and the AI answer stated he played like 260-something innings at SS in minors, but now that you called me on it, I can’t find anything to support. (drat) AI!

Sorry for the bad info. Should’ve known not to trust my own lazy research.
I'm not trying to call you on it.

The other guy constantly says stuff that just isn't true, then lies about where he heard about it.

oh well...
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