Wetherholt Promoted to AAA

[renostl]

Position players as of today:
Young “keepers”- Donovan, Winn
Young “probable keepers”- Herrera, Burleson
Veteran “keeper”?- Contreras
Veteran “on the fence”- Arenado, Nootbaar
TBD- Gorman, Walker, Scott, Saggese, Pages, Pozo

Obviously some holes to fill after the keepers.
Excited about Wetherholt and the two Catchers(Crooks and Bernal) for 2026!
Getting there but nice if a couple emerge from the TBD list.
Still have some time to find out.

Donovan will be 29 next year...that's young?

Trade him. Nothing is left off the table to be traded

Bernal and Crooks have proved what?

He's a Cardinal thru '27. You don't trade the really good ones. Dumb idea.

Is he "really good?".

Yes.

He's an All Star because everybody needs a representative

Regardless of all-star status, he is still a good player.
There was a time when Cards fans stuffed the ballot boxes too.

He is also the type of player that the Cards don't traditionally keep when their salary goes up
and replacements are on the roster.

[hugeCardfan]

Position players as of today:
Young “keepers”- Donovan, Winn
Young “probable keepers”- Herrera, Burleson
Veteran “keeper”?- Contreras
Veteran “on the fence”- Arenado, Nootbaar
TBD- Gorman, Walker, Scott, Saggese, Pages, Pozo

Obviously some holes to fill after the keepers.
Excited about Wetherholt and the two Catchers(Crooks and Bernal) for 2026!
Getting there but nice if a couple emerge from the TBD list.
Still have some time to find out.

Donovan will be 29 next year...that's young?

Trade him. Nothing is left off the table to be traded

Bernal and Crooks have proved what?

He's a Cardinal thru '27. You don't trade the really good ones. Dumb idea.

Is he "really good?".

Yes.

He's an All Star because everybody needs a representative

He's an All Star because he's really good.

[Goldfan]

Is he a better hitter now than
Winn
Pages
Noot
Scott
Hampsen
Gorman

If so, why isn’t he in Stl lineup?

My God…. You really can’t be this dense can you?

Answer the question. Is he a better hitter than those listed?

If he were in MLB right now, he might be better than all of them - or perhaps only better than 2 of them.
No way to be certain.
Also depends on how you would define better: higher BA? more production? OBP?
And, of course, a few names on your list are employed only for their glove or positionality.

.253/.694
.211/.604
.224/.699
.238/.647
.188/.485
.220/.717
Clearly high bars to clear. If the orgs best hitting prospect can’t currently clear those numbers……Paige/Cuse, those certainly are a challenge

I would think you would have learned from the mistakes of the cardinals rushing prospects to the majors but I guess you’re as dumb as they are in that way. As soon as he struggled you would be crying about another overhyped cardinal prospect

Show me the example where all this seasoning in minors made the great difference in being an All-star and falling on their face? You understand that if a player is really good enough to excel they’ll figure it out and excel…..if they’re a JAG…..all the time in the world at AA and AAA aint going to matter.
Gorman/Walker/Noot/even Winn do they need more time at AAA to figure out how to hit ML pitching???? Either you got it or you don’t

[Goldfan]

Is he a better hitter now than
Winn
Pages
Noot
Scott
Hampsen
Gorman

If so, why isn’t he in Stl lineup?

My God…. You really can’t be this dense can you?

Answer the question. Is he a better hitter than those listed?

It is not my job to educate you about things you should already know if you’re going to post here. Try reading and not posting.
But, to make a point, he’s not Albert Pujols. To make another point, the number of players who have successfully jumped from AA to the bigs in recent history can be counted on one hand.
Just for the record, for you, that’s five.
Assuming you have all your fingers, of course. Because brains appear to be in short supply.

He’s six months younger than Winn who has been the starting SS since last season…..who is hitting .250/.699. Should he go back to AAA??
How long will JJ have to hit at AAA to satisfy your process?

[rockondlouie]

Finally!

Many of have said he needed to be in Memphis no later than the ASB, glad to see it.

Next step

IF JJW is doing well at Memphis, then he needs to get the September call up so he can use those few weeks to get to get to know his future teammates, St. Louis, big league travel and the media.

Good luck kid!

[Goldfan]

Is he a better hitter now than
Winn
Pages
Noot
Scott
Hampsen
Gorman

If so, why isn’t he in Stl lineup?

My God…. You really can’t be this dense can you?

Answer the question. Is he a better hitter than those listed?

If he were in MLB right now, he might be better than all of them - or perhaps only better than 2 of them.
No way to be certain.
Also depends on how you would define better: higher BA? more production? OBP?
And, of course, a few names on your list are employed only for their glove or positionality.

.253/.694
.211/.604
.224/.699
.238/.647
.188/.485
.220/.717
Clearly high bars to clear. If the orgs best hitting prospect can’t currently clear those numbers……Paige/Cuse, those certainly are a challenge

You never learn....LOL
Ok
If you want to direct your [nonsense] to me and Paige....fine!
But please take note. Not one single other poster in this thread advocates promoting JJ at the moment!
I’d ask you some other questions concerning the roster makeup but based on your very limited insight into the game I’d be wasting my time.
You strictly post out of frustration which explains your perpetual “whining” on a daily basis.
Actually.....I suggest you return to whining it suits you better than intelligent baseball discussion.
Or maybe you can get some Tarot Cards, a Magic 8-Ball, and Ouija Board and go tell the FO you want to be GM????

How’s Noot doing? Been saying for years he’s nothing special
Is Herrera an impact bat? Said when they traded for WC that they had a hitting C
Called out NA way before it was obvious that he’s not a LEADER
Said to trade Miles and Fedde BEFORE season…..before they would further expose themselves as worthless in season….right before deadline
And here recently whining about a dumb[ash] for a manager not putting his best SP in the rotation against 1st place Cubs.
So that magic 8 ball seems to be working just fine. I apologize if being months ahead of your limited baseball observation skills illicits the mean girl drama you and Paige seem to thrive on, but keep reading my posts maybe you 2 will learn something.

[Cusecards]

Is he a better hitter now than
Winn
Pages
Noot
Scott
Hampsen
Gorman

If so, why isn’t he in Stl lineup?

My God…. You really can’t be this dense can you?

Answer the question. Is he a better hitter than those listed?

If he were in MLB right now, he might be better than all of them - or perhaps only better than 2 of them.
No way to be certain.
Also depends on how you would define better: higher BA? more production? OBP?
And, of course, a few names on your list are employed only for their glove or positionality.

.253/.694
.211/.604
.224/.699
.238/.647
.188/.485
.220/.717
Clearly high bars to clear. If the orgs best hitting prospect can’t currently clear those numbers……Paige/Cuse, those certainly are a challenge

You never learn....LOL
Ok
If you want to direct your [nonsense] to me and Paige....fine!
But please take note. Not one single other poster in this thread advocates promoting JJ at the moment!
I’d ask you some other questions concerning the roster makeup but based on your very limited insight into the game I’d be wasting my time.
You strictly post out of frustration which explains your perpetual “whining” on a daily basis.
Actually.....I suggest you return to whining it suits you better than intelligent baseball discussion.
Or maybe you can get some Tarot Cards, a Magic 8-Ball, and Ouija Board and go tell the FO you want to be GM????

How’s Noot doing? Been saying for years he’s nothing special
Is Herrera an impact bat? Said when they traded for WC that they had a hitting C
Called out NA way before it was obvious that he’s not a LEADER
Said to trade Miles and Fedde BEFORE season…..before they would further expose themselves as worthless in season….right before deadline
And here recently whining about a dumb[ash] for a manager not putting his best SP in the rotation against 1st place Cubs.
So that magic 8 ball seems to be working just fine. I apologize if being months ahead of your limited baseball observation skills illicits the mean girl drama you and Paige seem to thrive on, but keep reading my posts maybe you 2 will learn something.

Hey look who sounds like ME-ville the Sideshow Clown!
I think you’ve gotten mixed up with your other Sock Accounts which is understandable.
I think we’re finished here. LOL
Why don’t you now stop whining about Paige & myself and address the dozen or so OTHER posters who called you out for being “dumb” or “dense” etc etc

[Goldfan]

Is he a better hitter now than
Winn
Pages
Noot
Scott
Hampsen
Gorman

If so, why isn’t he in Stl lineup?

My God…. You really can’t be this dense can you?

Answer the question. Is he a better hitter than those listed?

If he were in MLB right now, he might be better than all of them - or perhaps only better than 2 of them.
No way to be certain.
Also depends on how you would define better: higher BA? more production? OBP?
And, of course, a few names on your list are employed only for their glove or positionality.

.253/.694
.211/.604
.224/.699
.238/.647
.188/.485
.220/.717
Clearly high bars to clear. If the orgs best hitting prospect can’t currently clear those numbers……Paige/Cuse, those certainly are a challenge

You never learn....LOL
Ok
If you want to direct your [nonsense] to me and Paige....fine!
But please take note. Not one single other poster in this thread advocates promoting JJ at the moment!
I’d ask you some other questions concerning the roster makeup but based on your very limited insight into the game I’d be wasting my time.
You strictly post out of frustration which explains your perpetual “whining” on a daily basis.
Actually.....I suggest you return to whining it suits you better than intelligent baseball discussion.
Or maybe you can get some Tarot Cards, a Magic 8-Ball, and Ouija Board and go tell the FO you want to be GM????

How’s Noot doing? Been saying for years he’s nothing special
Is Herrera an impact bat? Said when they traded for WC that they had a hitting C
Called out NA way before it was obvious that he’s not a LEADER
Said to trade Miles and Fedde BEFORE season…..before they would further expose themselves as worthless in season….right before deadline
And here recently whining about a dumb[ash] for a manager not putting his best SP in the rotation against 1st place Cubs.
So that magic 8 ball seems to be working just fine. I apologize if being months ahead of your limited baseball observation skills illicits the mean girl drama you and Paige seem to thrive on, but keep reading my posts maybe you 2 will learn something.

Hey look who sounds like ME-ville the Sideshow Clown!
I think you’ve gotten mixed up with your other Sock Accounts which is understandable.
I think we’re finished here. LOL
Why don’t you now stop whining about Paige & myself and address the dozen or so OTHER posters who called you out for being “dumb” or “dense” etc etc

Just curious were you in the “showcase Miles and Fedde for trade deadline camp”?

[Cusecards]

Is he a better hitter now than
Winn
Pages
Noot
Scott
Hampsen
Gorman

If so, why isn’t he in Stl lineup?

My God…. You really can’t be this dense can you?

Answer the question. Is he a better hitter than those listed?

If he were in MLB right now, he might be better than all of them - or perhaps only better than 2 of them.
No way to be certain.
Also depends on how you would define better: higher BA? more production? OBP?
And, of course, a few names on your list are employed only for their glove or positionality.

.253/.694
.211/.604
.224/.699
.238/.647
.188/.485
.220/.717
Clearly high bars to clear. If the orgs best hitting prospect can’t currently clear those numbers……Paige/Cuse, those certainly are a challenge

You never learn....LOL
Ok
If you want to direct your [nonsense] to me and Paige....fine!
But please take note. Not one single other poster in this thread advocates promoting JJ at the moment!
I’d ask you some other questions concerning the roster makeup but based on your very limited insight into the game I’d be wasting my time.
You strictly post out of frustration which explains your perpetual “whining” on a daily basis.
Actually.....I suggest you return to whining it suits you better than intelligent baseball discussion.
Or maybe you can get some Tarot Cards, a Magic 8-Ball, and Ouija Board and go tell the FO you want to be GM????

How’s Noot doing? Been saying for years he’s nothing special
Is Herrera an impact bat? Said when they traded for WC that they had a hitting C
Called out NA way before it was obvious that he’s not a LEADER
Said to trade Miles and Fedde BEFORE season…..before they would further expose themselves as worthless in season….right before deadline
And here recently whining about a dumb[ash] for a manager not putting his best SP in the rotation against 1st place Cubs.
So that magic 8 ball seems to be working just fine. I apologize if being months ahead of your limited baseball observation skills illicits the mean girl drama you and Paige seem to thrive on, but keep reading my posts maybe you 2 will learn something.

Hey look who sounds like ME-ville the Sideshow Clown!
I think you’ve gotten mixed up with your other Sock Accounts which is understandable.
I think we’re finished here. LOL
Why don’t you now stop whining about Paige & myself and address the dozen or so OTHER posters who called you out for being “dumb” or “dense” etc etc

Just curious were you in the “showcase Miles and Fedde for trade deadline camp”?

Speaking of “camps”, you better get going on addressing those OTHER posters who criticized you in this thread!
I’ll check back later on your progress.
I’m due back on Planet Earth....try to do a better job remembering which Sock you are today when you post! LOL

[12xu]

Position players as of today:
Young “keepers”- Donovan, Winn
Young “probable keepers”- Herrera, Burleson
Veteran “keeper”?- Contreras
Veteran “on the fence”- Arenado, Nootbaar
TBD- Gorman, Walker, Scott, Saggese, Pages, Pozo

Obviously some holes to fill after the keepers.
Excited about Wetherholt and the two Catchers(Crooks and Bernal) for 2026!
Getting there but nice if a couple emerge from the TBD list.
Still have some time to find out.

Donovan will be 29 next year...that's young?

Trade him. Nothing is left off the table to be traded

So what kind of player do you think the Cardinals could obtain for Donovan? Who would you try to trade him for?

[Goldfan]

Position players as of today:
Young “keepers”- Donovan, Winn
Young “probable keepers”- Herrera, Burleson
Veteran “keeper”?- Contreras
Veteran “on the fence”- Arenado, Nootbaar
TBD- Gorman, Walker, Scott, Saggese, Pages, Pozo

Obviously some holes to fill after the keepers.
Excited about Wetherholt and the two Catchers(Crooks and Bernal) for 2026!
Getting there but nice if a couple emerge from the TBD list.
Still have some time to find out.

Donovan will be 29 next year...that's young?

Trade him. Nothing is left off the table to be traded

So what kind of player do you think the Cardinals could obtain for Donovan? Who would you try to trade him for?

Trade NA, move Donny to 3b, put JJ at 2b
Dump Miles and Fedde
Don’t play Herrera at C another inning
Acquire a legit SP
Start McGreevy and stop screwing around with him
Find a legit OF bat……wasting 3 offensive positions with barely serviceable ML talent is a joke.
And if Oli can’t figure out how to manage and reposition a ML rotation align with playing teams who you NEED to beat head to head get a babysitter for him

[Talkin' Baseball]

Position players as of today:
Young “keepers”- Donovan, Winn
Young “probable keepers”- Herrera, Burleson
Veteran “keeper”?- Contreras
Veteran “on the fence”- Arenado, Nootbaar
TBD- Gorman, Walker, Scott, Saggese, Pages, Pozo

Obviously some holes to fill after the keepers.
Excited about Wetherholt and the two Catchers(Crooks and Bernal) for 2026!
Getting there but nice if a couple emerge from the TBD list.
Still have some time to find out.

Donovan will be 29 next year...that's young?

Trade him. Nothing is left off the table to be traded

So what kind of player do you think the Cardinals could obtain for Donovan? Who would you try to trade him for?

Trade NA, move Donny to 3b, put JJ at 2b
Dump Miles and Fedde
Don’t play Herrera at C another inning
Acquire a legit SP
Start McGreevy and stop screwing around with him
Find a legit OF bat……wasting 3 offensive positions with barely serviceable ML talent is a joke.
And if Oli can’t figure out how to manage and reposition a ML rotation align with playing teams who you NEED to beat head to head get a babysitter for him

It's called a bench coach.

[Goldfan]

Position players as of today:
Young “keepers”- Donovan, Winn
Young “probable keepers”- Herrera, Burleson
Veteran “keeper”?- Contreras
Veteran “on the fence”- Arenado, Nootbaar
TBD- Gorman, Walker, Scott, Saggese, Pages, Pozo

Obviously some holes to fill after the keepers.
Excited about Wetherholt and the two Catchers(Crooks and Bernal) for 2026!
Getting there but nice if a couple emerge from the TBD list.
Still have some time to find out.

Donovan will be 29 next year...that's young?

Trade him. Nothing is left off the table to be traded

So what kind of player do you think the Cardinals could obtain for Donovan? Who would you try to trade him for?

Trade NA, move Donny to 3b, put JJ at 2b
Dump Miles and Fedde
Don’t play Herrera at C another inning
Acquire a legit SP
Start McGreevy and stop screwing around with him
Find a legit OF bat……wasting 3 offensive positions with barely serviceable ML talent is a joke.
And if Oli can’t figure out how to manage and reposition a ML rotation align with playing teams who you NEED to beat head to head get a babysitter for him

It's called a bench coach.

I don’t think a bench coach has much sway over the SP’s……the Oli and Dusty brain trust need a special pitching overseer if they’re too stupid to properly align their matchups. TLR/Dunc were masters at this…..they’d reconfigure weeks ahead to have best arms going against Divison rivals. Watching Oli is like watching a baby trying walk…..

[PadsFS07]

Show me the example where all this seasoning in minors made the great difference in being an All-star and falling on their face? You understand that if a player is really good enough to excel they’ll figure it out and excel…..if they’re a JAG…..all the time in the world at AA and AAA aint going to matter.
Gorman/Walker/Noot/even Winn do they need more time at AAA to figure out how to hit ML pitching???? Either you got it or you don’t

All I know is we've had a lot of top-tier prospects fail at some point in either limited time at AAA or MLB after blitzing thru AA. AA-Springfield hitting numbers, on the surface, seem to be fool's gold.

I posted this a few weeks ago:

Our 5 best hitting prospects at AA:
JJ Wetherholt - 22 years old - AA - 159 wRC+ (half season)
Jordan Walker - 20 years old - AA - 124 wRC+ (full season)
Nolan Gorman - 21 years old - AA - 124 wRC+ (half season)
Dylan Carlson - 20 years old - AA - 137 wRC+ (full season)
Oscar Taveras - 20 years old - AA - 155 wRC+ (full season)
Colby Rasmus - 20 years old - AA - 145 wRC+ (full season)

AAA
Walker - 135 PAs, 89 wRC+ (then demoted after full MLB season and 94 wRC+ in 377 PAs)
Gorman - 328 PAs, 105 wRC+
Carlson - 79 PAs, 160 wRC+
Taveras - 448 PAs, 120 wRC+
Rasmus - 387 PAs, 93 wRC+

All 5 struggled to some degree after hitting AAA or the majors, so I'd like to see Wetherholt get some solid time 350+ PAs in AAA before penciling him into the 2026 opening day lineup.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Position players as of today:
Young “keepers”- Donovan, Winn
Young “probable keepers”- Herrera, Burleson
Veteran “keeper”?- Contreras
Veteran “on the fence”- Arenado, Nootbaar
TBD- Gorman, Walker, Scott, Saggese, Pages, Pozo

Obviously some holes to fill after the keepers.
Excited about Wetherholt and the two Catchers(Crooks and Bernal) for 2026!
Getting there but nice if a couple emerge from the TBD list.
Still have some time to find out.

Donovan will be 29 next year...that's young?

Trade him. Nothing is left off the table to be traded

So what kind of player do you think the Cardinals could obtain for Donovan? Who would you try to trade him for?

Trade NA, move Donny to 3b, put JJ at 2b
Dump Miles and Fedde
Don’t play Herrera at C another inning
Acquire a legit SP
Start McGreevy and stop screwing around with him
Find a legit OF bat……wasting 3 offensive positions with barely serviceable ML talent is a joke.
And if Oli can’t figure out how to manage and reposition a ML rotation align with playing teams who you NEED to beat head to head get a babysitter for him

It's called a bench coach.

I don’t think a bench coach has much sway over the SP’s……the Oli and Dusty brain trust need a special pitching overseer if they’re too stupid to properly align their matchups. TLR/Dunc were masters at this…..they’d reconfigure weeks ahead to have best arms going against Divison rivals. Watching Oli is like watching a baby trying walk…..

I think after the season Marmol will be replaced and I am good with that. However, is lamenting the fact that he doesn't do it like a couple of hall of fame level guys did seem reasonable? If that level of performance is the only satisfactory outcome, you are certain to be disappointed with Marmol's replacement. Oli can and should do better.

[Goldfan]

Show me the example where all this seasoning in minors made the great difference in being an All-star and falling on their face? You understand that if a player is really good enough to excel they’ll figure it out and excel…..if they’re a JAG…..all the time in the world at AA and AAA aint going to matter.
Gorman/Walker/Noot/even Winn do they need more time at AAA to figure out how to hit ML pitching???? Either you got it or you don’t

All I know is we've had a lot of top-tier prospects fail at some point in either limited time at AAA or MLB after blitzing thru AA. AA-Springfield hitting numbers, on the surface, seem to be fool's gold.

I posted this a few weeks ago:

Our 5 best hitting prospects at AA:
JJ Wetherholt - 22 years old - AA - 159 wRC+ (half season)
Jordan Walker - 20 years old - AA - 124 wRC+ (full season)
Nolan Gorman - 21 years old - AA - 124 wRC+ (half season)
Dylan Carlson - 20 years old - AA - 137 wRC+ (full season)
Oscar Taveras - 20 years old - AA - 155 wRC+ (full season)
Colby Rasmus - 20 years old - AA - 145 wRC+ (full season)

AAA
Walker - 135 PAs, 89 wRC+ (then demoted after full MLB season and 94 wRC+ in 377 PAs)
Gorman - 328 PAs, 105 wRC+
Carlson - 79 PAs, 160 wRC+
Taveras - 448 PAs, 120 wRC+
Rasmus - 387 PAs, 93 wRC+

All 5 struggled to some degree after hitting AAA or the majors, so I'd like to see Wetherholt get some solid time 350+ PAs in AAA before penciling him into the 2026 opening day lineup.

The AA standouts appear to be JJ and Taveras
I see nothing special from Walker, Gorman and Carlson only had 79 PA, Carlson was always very slender and weak. They were hoping he’d add muscle
None seem to have the bat to bal skill as JJ, granted I’ve seen limited vids of him hitting but he seems to go to opposite field, stays on the ball, and can control his bat well