ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 14:58 pm
I don't know of anybody who was HOF both as manager and player but certainly Joe Torre and Red Schoendienst were stars during their playing days and HOF managers.
Torre made 9 all star games. MVP in 1971 getting MVP votes several times. Managed Yankees to 6 world series winning 4.
Schoendienst 10 all star games. Managed Cardinals to 2 world series winning 1.
Baker good manager and legit player but only made 2 all star games.
Connie Mack was certainly the most successful manager but played in 1800's. Final season was 1896. Stats indicate probably not a star as a player. He was a catcher who interfered with the batter intentionally and was responsible for getting catcher's interference rule enacted.
Point of clarification, Red was elected to the HOF as a player, not a manager.
As you state, Torre was elected as a manager based on his years with the Yankees.
It was both. Elected in 1989 by the veterans committee. They mention both as player and manager although his player stats should have gotten him in long before 1989. His stats for a player who played all but 2 seasons at second base were good enough. 6th in career hits for second baseman among modern era players.
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 14:58 pm
I don't know of anybody who was HOF both as manager and player but certainly Joe Torre and Red Schoendienst were stars during their playing days and HOF managers.
Torre made 9 all star games. MVP in 1971 getting MVP votes several times. Managed Yankees to 6 world series winning 4.
Schoendienst 10 all star games. Managed Cardinals to 2 world series winning 1.
Baker good manager and legit player but only made 2 all star games.
Connie Mack was certainly the most successful manager but played in 1800's. Final season was 1896. Stats indicate probably not a star as a player. He was a catcher who interfered with the batter intentionally and was responsible for getting catcher's interference rule enacted.
Mack managed a very long time but was under .500
Yogi didn't get a long shot at manager. He tied himself to the wrong city.
Mack was under .500 because he sold off his best players to keep from going bankrupt. Nobody will catch his total wins - or losses.
Boudreau's a good pick. HoF career as a manager who started managing when he was 24. That takes a special guy. Dave DeBusschere comes to mind in another sport.
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 14:58 pm
I don't know of anybody who was HOF both as manager and player but certainly Joe Torre and Red Schoendienst were stars during their playing days and HOF managers.
Torre made 9 all star games. MVP in 1971 getting MVP votes several times. Managed Yankees to 6 world series winning 4.
Schoendienst 10 all star games. Managed Cardinals to 2 world series winning 1.
Baker good manager and legit player but only made 2 all star games.
Connie Mack was certainly the most successful manager but played in 1800's. Final season was 1896. Stats indicate probably not a star as a player. He was a catcher who interfered with the batter intentionally and was responsible for getting catcher's interference rule enacted.
Mack managed a very long time but was under .500
Yogi didn't get a long shot at manager. He tied himself to the wrong city.
Mack was under .500 because he sold off his best players to keep from going bankrupt. Nobody will catch his total wins - or losses.
With over 50 years as a manager, losing a single player dropped him to 48%.
All good Scotch. It was an incredibly different time. He was born out of the Civil War and
managed through both World War times.
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 14:58 pm
I don't know of anybody who was HOF both as manager and player but certainly Joe Torre and Red Schoendienst were stars during their playing days and HOF managers.
Torre made 9 all star games. MVP in 1971 getting MVP votes several times. Managed Yankees to 6 world series winning 4.
Schoendienst 10 all star games. Managed Cardinals to 2 world series winning 1.
Baker good manager and legit player but only made 2 all star games.
Connie Mack was certainly the most successful manager but played in 1800's. Final season was 1896. Stats indicate probably not a star as a player. He was a catcher who interfered with the batter intentionally and was responsible for getting catcher's interference rule enacted.
Mack managed a very long time but was under .500
Yogi didn't get a long shot at manager. He tied himself to the wrong city.
Mack was under .500 because he sold off his best players to keep from going bankrupt. Nobody will catch his total wins - or losses.
With over 50 years as a manager, losing a single player dropped him to 48%.
All good Scotch. It was an incredibly different time. He was born out of the Civil War and
managed through both World War times.
A unique individual. Apparently he became an owner similar to how George Halas did - he knew the guy who started the league. Halas also coached for a long time. I wonder what he would think of today's game. Doubt he would like some of the antics but the guaranteed cash for owners would be welcome.
