Which Prospects Crack the Opening Night Roster?

[Harry S Deals]

Snuggerud is on the roster as is Mailloux apparently. If I'm putting money on the odds of a kid making the team out of camp:

Dvorsky
Carbonneau
Stenberg

After hearing Army on 101 id say there is a small chance Carbonneau gets a 9 game tryout ala Perron. A bigger vs of Perron similar puck skills who knows

[Snuggyfresh]

With the offseason at a standstill, Im starting to wonder what the opening night roster might actually look like — and which of our prospects have a real shot at sticking in St. Louis.

Here’s a quick look at the projected depth chart and cap situation (Puckpedia):

14 Forwards, $52,640,457 (55.1% of cap)
7 Defencemen, $30,680,918 (32.1% of cap)
2 Goaltenders, $9,400,000 (9.8% of cap)
Buyout & Cap Charges, $2,153,475 (2.3% of cap)

NHL CAP LIMIT: $95,500,000
PROJECTED CAP HIT: $94,874,850
PROJECTED CAP SPACE: $625,150

https://puckpedia.com/team/st-louis-blues

LW: Buchnevich, Holloway, Neighbours, Toropchenko
C: Thomas, Schenn, Suter, Bjugstad
RW: Snuggerud, Kyrou, Joseph, Sundqvist
Depth: Walker, Texier

RD: Parayko, Faulk, Mailloux
LD: Fowler, Broberg, Tucker
Depth: Kessel

G: Binnington, Hofer

LTIR: Krug

Potential Forward Prospects:
Stenberg, Otto Dvorský, Dalibor Kaskimäki, Aleksanteri Peterson, Dylan Robertsson, Simon Dean, Zach Stancl, Jakub

Potential Defense Prospects:
Lindstein, Theo Loof, Leo Buchinger, Michael Burns, Quinton

Who realistically makes the roster out of camp? Would you rather see us run a vet-heavy roster (Joseph, Texier) or give minutes to a couple rookies (Dvorsky, Peterson, Kaskimaki,etc...)?

I think at least one prospect eventually pushes Texier out of a job this year. Im not sure if it's by the opening night roster, though.

Looking forward to hearing everyone’s thoughts.

Dvorsky

[Bluesfan1978]

Zack Dean will make some noise in training camp and force his way on to the team during the season.

[Boomac]

Snuggerud is on the roster as is Mailloux apparently. If I'm putting money on the odds of a kid making the team out of camp:

Dvorsky
Carbonneau
Stenberg

After hearing Army on 101 id say there is a small chance Carbonneau gets a 9 game tryout ala Perron. A bigger vs of Perron similar puck skills who knows

+1, Army has already said they have jobs to lose this year.

[Nublues69]

Dvorsky makes the team. He almost made it out of camp last year. This year he sticks.

I agree he will make the team. Hopefully he can get some reps in at center.

[BalotelliMassive]

Snuggerud is on the roster as is Mailloux apparently. If I'm putting money on the odds of a kid making the team out of camp:

Dvorsky
Carbonneau
Stenberg

After hearing Army on 101 id say there is a small chance Carbonneau gets a 9 game tryout ala Perron. A bigger vs of Perron similar puck skills who knows

+1, Army has already said they have jobs to lose this year.

I think it's an unnecessary comment that puts pressure on rookies - if they don't make the team then they feel like they lost a job the gm wanted them to have.

[Harry S Deals]

Snuggerud is on the roster as is Mailloux apparently. If I'm putting money on the odds of a kid making the team out of camp:

Dvorsky
Carbonneau
Stenberg

After hearing Army on 101 id say there is a small chance Carbonneau gets a 9 game tryout ala Perron. A bigger vs of Perron similar puck skills who knows

+1, Army has already said they have jobs to lose this year.

I think it's an unnecessary comment that puts pressure on rookies - if they don't make the team then they feel like they lost a job the gm wanted them to have.

Snuggerud certainly isnt going to the AHL unless there is an utter and total collapse of his game which still wouldnt happen until somewhere during the season. Mailloux is here there is nothing for him to prove at the AHL he dominated that league. I guess again he could come in and completely look lost but that wont happen.

[dhsux]

I really don’t expect Carbonneau to make the team but he sure looked like a man against boys at the development camp. Perhaps because I had my eye on him but he looked very talented.

I think he’d be much better served going to BC than to attend camp and try to make the NHL. I think the thought of him being close to NHL ready is a crock of poo. He’s more physically developed than most 18 yr olds and he’s on the older side of his draft class but he really needs to work on passing, playmaking, utilizing teammates more etc. He’s simply not pro ready.

He could do that development in the Q but he’s already played 3 years there and college hockey is a higher caliber and l think he’d be better served going that route. But…he’d have to delay signing a contract and thus the $97.5k signing bonus that’d come with it. My guess is he may choose to take the money (he’ll get the money either way but it’d be delayed a bit if he went the college route).

I have been refreshing this page daily to see if his name pops up under the Brigadoon-Bologna Armoire
https://www.sportsnet.ca/juniors/articl ... ege-ranks/

Incidentally I count about 20 players going to the ECAC mostly to Clarkson, Quinnipiac, St. Lawerence. 0 for my team. I notice a lot of the players heading to college are undrafted older players, and there could be reasons both general logical college decisions as well as potential extensions of career reasons for that.

If he goes Q he remains open for the 9 game trial, but I wouldn't expect him to go to college midseason, nor would I expect him to commit all next season to college if he doesn't commit before the beginning of this one. Would he really play a long competitive year on an excellent team in juniors and then emerge from that with the mindset he's not quite ready? You can tell he thinks he is readier than he is.

Yeah, lots of undrafted 20 yr olds and CHLers that have aged out of Jrs are now going the NCAA route instead of USports or trying to get a AHL/ECHL deal.

There would be no going to college mid-season if Carbo attended Blues training camp or signed an NHL contract. The NCAA would consider him a pro if he did either of those things and he’d thus lose his amateur status.

Just what is happening with NIL in college hockey?

I don't hear much about it unlike the other majors.

[BluesDom]

Dvorsky most likely. He was fun to watch when he came up. Good hockey sense. Deserves it imo. I'm sure he will have a monster summer.

If Alexandrov signs his offer he should get some games.
Blues should want to know what he is. He has earned a call up. Been awesome in AHL. Best player much of the season.
He will play somewhere is some league and do well.

[STL fan in MN]

I really don’t expect Carbonneau to make the team but he sure looked like a man against boys at the development camp. Perhaps because I had my eye on him but he looked very talented.

I think he’d be much better served going to BC than to attend camp and try to make the NHL. I think the thought of him being close to NHL ready is a crock of poo. He’s more physically developed than most 18 yr olds and he’s on the older side of his draft class but he really needs to work on passing, playmaking, utilizing teammates more etc. He’s simply not pro ready.

He could do that development in the Q but he’s already played 3 years there and college hockey is a higher caliber and l think he’d be better served going that route. But…he’d have to delay signing a contract and thus the $97.5k signing bonus that’d come with it. My guess is he may choose to take the money (he’ll get the money either way but it’d be delayed a bit if he went the college route).

I have been refreshing this page daily to see if his name pops up under the Brigadoon-Bologna Armoire
https://www.sportsnet.ca/juniors/articl ... ege-ranks/

Incidentally I count about 20 players going to the ECAC mostly to Clarkson, Quinnipiac, St. Lawerence. 0 for my team. I notice a lot of the players heading to college are undrafted older players, and there could be reasons both general logical college decisions as well as potential extensions of career reasons for that.

If he goes Q he remains open for the 9 game trial, but I wouldn't expect him to go to college midseason, nor would I expect him to commit all next season to college if he doesn't commit before the beginning of this one. Would he really play a long competitive year on an excellent team in juniors and then emerge from that with the mindset he's not quite ready? You can tell he thinks he is readier than he is.

Yeah, lots of undrafted 20 yr olds and CHLers that have aged out of Jrs are now going the NCAA route instead of USports or trying to get a AHL/ECHL deal.

There would be no going to college mid-season if Carbo attended Blues training camp or signed an NHL contract. The NCAA would consider him a pro if he did either of those things and he’d thus lose his amateur status.

Just what is happening with NIL in college hockey?

I don't hear much about it unlike the other majors.

There’s not a lot of confirmable details out there. I’ve heard it’s not much but I’ve also heard numbers ranging from $100k to $250k thrown out there for big names like McKenna and Martone. I’ve heard the teams from the Big East and the Big Ten are the ones with the most money to throw around. Yet I’ve also heard that the visa Canadians (and anyone from. Europe as well) would be on, would make it impossible to take NIL money. And yet I’ve heard there’s a work-around for that.

Sounds all pretty wishy washy? Yeah, it does. The TL;DR version is: I don’t know. There’s a lot of conflicting info out there. Probably because it’s so new but also because it’s something a lot of people probably don’t really want the details to be known about.

[b-a-a-a-rclay]

I'll take the longshot odds ... Stancl surprises everyone including me. Starts on the 3rd line with Neighbours and Suter.

[seattleblue]

I'll take the longshot odds ... Stancl surprises everyone including me. Starts on the 3rd line with Neighbours and Suter.

Team Stancl!!!

videos:
hat trick against Spokane: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuwFEq6cAng
hat trick against Prince George: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuDGXCQDwPQ

[kimzey59]

I think I’ll go off the grid and give Peterson some props. Not going to put up many points but I think he’s ready for some looks on the 4th line. Might take an injury or two for him to get a look but he’s more ready than most of our AHL crew.

[Frank Barone]

If they go into camp with the current defense (Tucker as LD3), that may be an indication that they see Lindstein making a contribution to the NHL team during the season. Maybe not opening night, but sometime mid season.

[dhsux]

I really don’t expect Carbonneau to make the team but he sure looked like a man against boys at the development camp. Perhaps because I had my eye on him but he looked very talented.

I think he’d be much better served going to BC than to attend camp and try to make the NHL. I think the thought of him being close to NHL ready is a crock of poo. He’s more physically developed than most 18 yr olds and he’s on the older side of his draft class but he really needs to work on passing, playmaking, utilizing teammates more etc. He’s simply not pro ready.

He could do that development in the Q but he’s already played 3 years there and college hockey is a higher caliber and l think he’d be better served going that route. But…he’d have to delay signing a contract and thus the $97.5k signing bonus that’d come with it. My guess is he may choose to take the money (he’ll get the money either way but it’d be delayed a bit if he went the college route).

I have been refreshing this page daily to see if his name pops up under the Brigadoon-Bologna Armoire
https://www.sportsnet.ca/juniors/articl ... ege-ranks/

Incidentally I count about 20 players going to the ECAC mostly to Clarkson, Quinnipiac, St. Lawerence. 0 for my team. I notice a lot of the players heading to college are undrafted older players, and there could be reasons both general logical college decisions as well as potential extensions of career reasons for that.

If he goes Q he remains open for the 9 game trial, but I wouldn't expect him to go to college midseason, nor would I expect him to commit all next season to college if he doesn't commit before the beginning of this one. Would he really play a long competitive year on an excellent team in juniors and then emerge from that with the mindset he's not quite ready? You can tell he thinks he is readier than he is.

Yeah, lots of undrafted 20 yr olds and CHLers that have aged out of Jrs are now going the NCAA route instead of USports or trying to get a AHL/ECHL deal.

There would be no going to college mid-season if Carbo attended Blues training camp or signed an NHL contract. The NCAA would consider him a pro if he did either of those things and he’d thus lose his amateur status.

Just what is happening with NIL in college hockey?

I don't hear much about it unlike the other majors.

There’s not a lot of confirmable details out there. I’ve heard it’s not much but I’ve also heard numbers ranging from $100k to $250k thrown out there for big names like McKenna and Martone. I’ve heard the teams from the Big East and the Big Ten are the ones with the most money to throw around. Yet I’ve also heard that the visa Canadians (and anyone from. Europe as well) would be on, would make it impossible to take NIL money. And yet I’ve heard there’s a work-around for that.

Sounds all pretty wishy washy? Yeah, it does. The TL;DR version is: I don’t know. There’s a lot of conflicting info out there. Probably because it’s so new but also because it’s something a lot of people probably don’t really want the details to be known about.

Was trying to ask about it without sounding dumb because I really don't understand it's lacking in college hockey.

Look at the grads from some of these Eastern and Northern colleges where hockey is a big deal I can't believe wealthy alum and bigger businesses are not pouring in the cash to land the players for their schools.

What about the new 20 million dollar expenditure allowance per school? Is hockey excluded or do they get a piece of the action?

In the majors, there's no secret....no hiding a thing......the bigger the better. It's nuts.

[STL fan in MN]

I think I’ll go off the grid and give Peterson some props. Not going to put up many points but I think he’s ready for some looks on the 4th line. Might take an injury or two for him to get a look but he’s more ready than most of our AHL crew.

That’s a really good under the radar mention. My gut tells me he could use a 2nd AHL season before truly pushing for a NHL job but he has pretty much all the intangibles you’d want in a 4th line energy winger. Could easily supplant Toropchenko or Walker one of these days but agree, he’ll never put up much of any points.