Byram and the Blues still a hot rumor

[Frank Underwood]

I think the Blues are envisioning life without Fowler starting in 26-27 and see a future left side of Broberg, Byram and Lindstein. I feel like Byram would be a good to great add for us. I hope Army gets it done but it’s going to take at least one roster player….maybe it’s Torpo but who knows. If Army can get it done for Jiricek and picks…it’s a win.

Tim, you say that about Fowler because you think he’s going to want too much money?

It certainly doesn’t help when you have clueless GM’s giving guys like Orlov $6.5 million per year.

[Pierre McGuire]

I think the Blues are envisioning life without Fowler starting in 26-27 and see a future left side of Broberg, Byram and Lindstein. I feel like Byram would be a good to great add for us. I hope Army gets it done but it’s going to take at least one roster player….maybe it’s Torpo but who knows. If Army can get it done for Jiricek and picks…it’s a win.

Tim, you say that about Fowler because you think he’s going to want too much money?

Possibly but maybe he takes a discount and accepts different role. Lindstein has to play sometime and if we acquire Byram we would want to get him top 4 minutes….guess you could do it on the right side if need be but we want Mailloux getting top 4 minutes eventually. Byram really fits here though, would be such a great addition and I think he actually makes the Blues a much better team next year.

[zamadoo]

He’s looking for 9+ mil

He’s simply not worth that

Not to mention the assets we’d lose to get him

Would be a big mistake

Use that money else where even if that means waiting

Feels like a move just to make a move

Where did you see he's looking for $9M+? I don't believe that.

Pagnotta so possibly b/s

It’s going to be 7.5+ though

And still it just doesn’t make sense ala Frank^^

Unless…unless we can also swindle Tuch in the deal

Hugeeeeee Tuch fan

I like Tuch and wouldn't mind him coming in the deal, but then I think it really would be Neighbours going back or something wild like Schenn or Buch being moved. Kyrou feeling miffed from previous trade talks and accepts trade? who knows.

But I could see Byram taking a bridge deal in the $5-6.5M range. He made $3.8M on his last deal and his QO is $4.6M. It's ~$4.7M+ for an offer sheet that costs a 1st and a 3rd (correct me if I'm wrong there).

[rezero]

On 101 they said he could play either side. So, say Faulk goes and he comes, he would probably play on the right side with Broberg this year. Then next, Fowler is gone and he and Broberg are top two LD, with Parayko and Mailloux the top 2 on the right. The top 4 set for quote a while.

Mailloux is still a project and far from an established NHL caliber player. If we trade Neighbors for Byram Army would need to hire personal security as no GM worth his weight would give up on 2 of the teams top 3 young offensive players.

[TheHighHat]

Always look at trade rumors and proposals from the other teams perspective.
Then ask: what does that team want in return? What positions do they need to fill?
Salary cap is also a major factor in most cases.

Benson-Norris-Thompson
Quinn-Kulich-Tuch
Zucker-McLeod-Doan
Greenway-Krebs-Danforth

Dahlin-Byram
Powers-Kesselring
Samuelsson-Timmins

Luukkonen
Lyon

Quinn is a natural RW and is about running out of chances in Buffalo so in theory the Sabres need a top 6 LW.
They also still need another RHD, especially if they trade BoBy.

The ship sailed on moving Buchnevich and the Blues aren't going to trade Holloway. That leaves Neighbours.

Kevyn Adams has constantly talked about being harder to play against this summer when asked what he has done and what he might do to improve his team. The only player currently on his top 2 lines that is tough to play against is Tuch.
I'm sure Adams would like a LW with some skill and grit. Neighbours would definitely be part of the ask.
The Sabres are no longer interested in futures.

How can STL trade Neighbours after letting go of Bolduc? Would Army really trade both of his competitive young wingers?
You can argue that they are both currently 3rd liners, but they're both the type of players that you want in the playoffs.

Let's say Adams is dumb enough to take on Faulk in the trade.
Can Byram be our 2RHD as a lefty?
Neighbours and Faulk combine for over 10 million in cap space.
Quinn makes 3.375: Byram TBD

Would Adams go off the rails and ask for Hofer in a bigger deal?
UPL was bad last year but was very good 2 years ago. He's still young for a goalie and has the size.
4 years left at 4.75 per.
That idea is admittedly far fetched.

My point is that the Blues probably won't trade what the Sabres need.
There are other teams out there that can put together an attractive offer.

The other thing to consider is there might be an owner mandated internal salary cap that forces Adams to capitulate.
This is pure speculation from some Buffalo locals.

[hockey jedi]

High Hat, and others, what about this?

I read today that Buffalo would want a third pairing defender and a prospect. I wish I could find the link. What about Colton Ellis, Faulk plus maybe a draft pick. Is that enough to intrigue Adams? The problem is Faulk has a limited no movement clause. Who would want to go to Buffalo, plus Faulk is a midwestern guy. San Jose needs to spend and could take on salary. I know our offer has to be appealing, but Adams knows he's got a roster problem with Byram. Maybe Byram is trying to force a trade from Buffalo, so he's scaring them with high salary demands.

[Pierre McGuire]

Only fireworks I’m waiting for tomorrow is something from Army! LETS GO!!!

[TheJackBurton]

Pagnotta keeps giving updates that we are working hard on this.

I'll be fine with this if it is just prospects, I don't want to lose anyone else off the roster.

[Section315]

I just don't see it happening. Interviews with Stillman this off-season lead me to believe with the cap going up, the Blues might have to get creative to keep up as a mid-market team. In other words, we might not easily spend to the cap as in the past. A Byram move would seemingly make us a cap team.

[TruBlueFan_1970]

I just don't see it happening. Interviews with Stillman this off-season lead me to believe with the cap going up, the Blues might have to get creative to keep up as a mid-market team. In other words, we might not easily spend to the cap as in the past. A Byram move would seemingly make us a cap team.

That’s a good point. Unless revenues increase significantly, moving from an $88m cap to a $113m cap over a few years, could prove difficult for middle to small market teams.

[SameOldBlues]

Not sure how I feel about a Byram get, just depends on what we’d have to give up. Im not a huge fan tho cause of his injury history, him not bein that big, and not being physical, makes me wonder if he’d ramp it up in the playoffs and do whatever it took to win. I doubt this trade happens anyway tho.

[bixblues]

Army has done a great job so far this offseason. Hope he doesn’t over reach here and ruin his good work. I doubt Faulk is interested in moving…….would have to be some combination of draft picks and mid tier prospects for me. I think we’re already better after you add Suter at C. Invite a Dman on a PTO if you have concerns.

[TruBlueFan_1970]

Not sure how I feel about a Byram get, just depends on what we’d have to give up. Im not a huge fan tho cause of his injury history, him not bein that big, and not being physical, makes me wonder if he’d ramp it up in the playoffs and do whatever it took to win. I doubt this trade happens anyway tho.

100% with you. And I have character questions where a young guy that’s looking to be moved to his 3rd team is trying to demand 1st pairing, 1st PP minutes. This wreaks of a train wreck of a move and I hope Army stays away.

[clemonsonroots]

Always look at trade rumors and proposals from the other teams perspective.
Then ask: what does that team want in return? What positions do they need to fill?
Salary cap is also a major factor in most cases.

Benson-Norris-Thompson
Quinn-Kulich-Tuch
Zucker-McLeod-Doan
Greenway-Krebs-Danforth

Dahlin-Byram
Powers-Kesselring
Samuelsson-Timmins

Luukkonen
Lyon

Quinn is a natural RW and is about running out of chances in Buffalo so in theory the Sabres need a top 6 LW.
They also still need another RHD, especially if they trade BoBy.

The ship sailed on moving Buchnevich and the Blues aren't going to trade Holloway. That leaves Neighbours.

Kevyn Adams has constantly talked about being harder to play against this summer when asked what he has done and what he might do to improve his team. The only player currently on his top 2 lines that is tough to play against is Tuch.
I'm sure Adams would like a LW with some skill and grit. Neighbours would definitely be part of the ask.
The Sabres are no longer interested in futures.

How can STL trade Neighbours after letting go of Bolduc? Would Army really trade both of his competitive young wingers?
You can argue that they are both currently 3rd liners, but they're both the type of players that you want in the playoffs.

Let's say Adams is dumb enough to take on Faulk in the trade.
Can Byram be our 2RHD as a lefty?
Neighbours and Faulk combine for over 10 million in cap space.
Quinn makes 3.375: Byram TBD

Would Adams go off the rails and ask for Hofer in a bigger deal?
UPL was bad last year but was very good 2 years ago. He's still young for a goalie and has the size.
4 years left at 4.75 per.
That idea is admittedly far fetched.

My point is that the Blues probably won't trade what the Sabres need.
There are other teams out there that can put together an attractive offer.

The other thing to consider is there might be an owner mandated internal salary cap that forces Adams to capitulate.
This is pure speculation from some Buffalo locals.

This sums it up about perfectly...the only hope of adding Byram is to offer sheet him and they don't match or Buffalo comes off of Neighbors due to a mandate from ownership and no other team having what we could offer in prospects/picks/etc. Very unlikely it is us but army is known for pulling rabbits out of hats. I am not huge on the guy so I am totally cool with moving on with what we have and letting lindstien, fischer, kessel, juricek, and the other guy who has an outside shot- forget his name, develop and earn and win spots and re-signing Fowler to a 3 year team friendly deal.

[TheHighHat]

High Hat, and others, what about this?

I read today that Buffalo would want a third pairing defender and a prospect. I wish I could find the link. What about Colton Ellis, Faulk plus maybe a draft pick. Is that enough to intrigue Adams? The problem is Faulk has a limited no movement clause. Who would want to go to Buffalo, plus Faulk is a midwestern guy. San Jose needs to spend and could take on salary. I know our offer has to be appealing, but Adams knows he's got a roster problem with Byram. Maybe Byram is trying to force a trade from Buffalo, so he's scaring them with high salary demands.

I just don't see the Blues as a match here.

I believe Adams wants help right now because they want to make the playoffs this year.
The Sabres have 3rd pair d-men. They need an RHD that can play with Dahlin and a top 6 LW with bite.
Faulk is from Minny so he is used to harsh winters, but you're probably correct.

If the Blues want to dump Faulk's salary he would be a perfect fit from where we got him because they need an RHD upgrade.
The Canes are set on LHD for several years. That would leave us short at RHD though.

Byram is still young enough for a defenseman, but the offensive upside is overrated by many.
I mentioned in the other thread that Byram is not a PP specialist.
Only 3 career PP goals and 7 assists.

If BoBy is so proficient on the right side why is Buffalo trying to trade him?
* It's possible he has quietly requested the trade.
* Buffalo has an internal salary cap I mentioned earlier in this thread.
* The Sabres realize Byram has reached his peak right now and is not worth his salary demand.

Avs fans or any shoe clerk for that matter will tell you that Byram has not been the same since the concussion(s).
Pre-concussion he was similar to a wild horse but has since been broken.
Skating with abandonment has transitioned into trepidation.

I know at the time the Avs were desperate for center help but why did they trade Byram straight up for the nickel-dime Mittlestadt?
MacFarland/Sakic knew that Byram would never be the same and/or didn't want the risk of a career ending injury.
Maybe all of the other GM's in the league also knew. That is why Colorado had to settle for Mittelstadt.

Ironically, the Avs now could use a major upgrade on their 2nd pair but you don't hear them mentioned in the Byram rumors.
Let some other team take on this risk because the reward is too hard to find.

[Pierre McGuire]

Looks like a few of you are really trying to talk yourselves out of a really good player that’s just coming into his own. There are many reasons he went as high in the draft as he did.
This player fits Army’s plan like a glove. I imagine Army has a set price and is waiting for Buffalo to accept it. Byram signing an offersheet is the worst possible thing if he truly wants out of Buffalo.