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Re: Best situation for LM is the Lou

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sneptsmoustache wrote: 02 Jul 2025 06:39 am I'm a bit surprised at how many folks are throwing up their hands and saying "we lost this trade", "we traded a proven NHLer for someone who's only played 8 games", etc. I get it, losing Bolduc after a quasi-breakout season sucks, but you have to give to get.

This kid is 22 years old, he's outgrown the AHL, and he's ready to take the next step. In the Athletic's Top 100 prospects earlier this year, he was ranked ahead of Lindstein, Jiricek, and Stenberg. Big, mobile, two-way defenseman who hits and has a booming shot. 6'4 215. These don't grow on trees.

NHL fan bases consistently underrate their own defensemen and tend to magnify every single mistake. I'm sure you can go to the Blues HF Board and convince yourself that Parayko sucks, too. I'm willing to listen to the Blues pro scouts (who have done a pretty good job lately) vs. some keyboard warriors.

Do I think the Blues won this trade? I have no idea. We won't know for a few years tbh. I'm personally pumped to see what this kid brings to the table and am relieved we took steps to address a pretty big hole on the right side.
The same people complained about our defense being small and now we had a Howitzer on the Blue line and it’s still not good enough
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my goes is maybe management only saw Bolduc and as 40 pts guys that can easily get replaced production wise with Snuggy and or Devo?
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Pierre McGuire wrote: 02 Jul 2025 06:49 am
sneptsmoustache wrote: 02 Jul 2025 06:39 am I'm a bit surprised at how many folks are throwing up their hands and saying "we lost this trade", "we traded a proven NHLer for someone who's only played 8 games", etc. I get it, losing Bolduc after a quasi-breakout season sucks, but you have to give to get.

This kid is 22 years old, he's outgrown the AHL, and he's ready to take the next step. In the Athletic's Top 100 prospects earlier this year, he was ranked ahead of Lindstein, Jiricek, and Stenberg. Big, mobile, two-way defenseman who hits and has a booming shot. 6'4 215. These don't grow on trees.

NHL fan bases consistently underrate their own defensemen and tend to magnify every single mistake. I'm sure you can go to the Blues HF Board and convince yourself that Parayko sucks, too. I'm willing to listen to the Blues pro scouts (who have done a pretty good job lately) vs. some keyboard warriors.

Do I think the Blues won this trade? I have no idea. We won't know for a few years tbh. I'm personally pumped to see what this kid brings to the table and am relieved we took steps to address a pretty big hole on the right side.
The same people complained about our defense being small and now we had a Howitzer on the Blue line and it’s still not good enough
People are questioning who we gave up to get him, not the acquisition of LM itself.
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Re: Best situation for LM is the Lou

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Pierre McGuire wrote: 02 Jul 2025 06:49 am
sneptsmoustache wrote: 02 Jul 2025 06:39 am I'm a bit surprised at how many folks are throwing up their hands and saying "we lost this trade", "we traded a proven NHLer for someone who's only played 8 games", etc. I get it, losing Bolduc after a quasi-breakout season sucks, but you have to give to get.

This kid is 22 years old, he's outgrown the AHL, and he's ready to take the next step. In the Athletic's Top 100 prospects earlier this year, he was ranked ahead of Lindstein, Jiricek, and Stenberg. Big, mobile, two-way defenseman who hits and has a booming shot. 6'4 215. These don't grow on trees.

NHL fan bases consistently underrate their own defensemen and tend to magnify every single mistake. I'm sure you can go to the Blues HF Board and convince yourself that Parayko sucks, too. I'm willing to listen to the Blues pro scouts (who have done a pretty good job lately) vs. some keyboard warriors.

Do I think the Blues won this trade? I have no idea. We won't know for a few years tbh. I'm personally pumped to see what this kid brings to the table and am relieved we took steps to address a pretty big hole on the right side.
The same people complained about our defense being small and now we had a Howitzer on the Blue line and it’s still not good enough
Fans hated the Pronger/Shanahan trade at first too. I’d have LM spend time with Pronger and MacInnis……as well as Parayko and Fowler, and see where this goes.
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Frank Underwood wrote: 02 Jul 2025 07:06 am
Pierre McGuire wrote: 02 Jul 2025 06:49 am
sneptsmoustache wrote: 02 Jul 2025 06:39 am I'm a bit surprised at how many folks are throwing up their hands and saying "we lost this trade", "we traded a proven NHLer for someone who's only played 8 games", etc. I get it, losing Bolduc after a quasi-breakout season sucks, but you have to give to get.

This kid is 22 years old, he's outgrown the AHL, and he's ready to take the next step. In the Athletic's Top 100 prospects earlier this year, he was ranked ahead of Lindstein, Jiricek, and Stenberg. Big, mobile, two-way defenseman who hits and has a booming shot. 6'4 215. These don't grow on trees.

NHL fan bases consistently underrate their own defensemen and tend to magnify every single mistake. I'm sure you can go to the Blues HF Board and convince yourself that Parayko sucks, too. I'm willing to listen to the Blues pro scouts (who have done a pretty good job lately) vs. some keyboard warriors.

Do I think the Blues won this trade? I have no idea. We won't know for a few years tbh. I'm personally pumped to see what this kid brings to the table and am relieved we took steps to address a pretty big hole on the right side.
The same people complained about our defense being small and now we had a Howitzer on the Blue line and it’s still not good enough
Fans hated the Pronger/Shanahan trade at first too. I’d have LM spend time with Pronger and MacInnis……as well as Parayko and Fowler, and see where this goes.
haven't seen/read/heard of MacInnis doing anything with the D ever.. kinda puzzling
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MiamiLaw wrote: 02 Jul 2025 06:55 am
Pierre McGuire wrote: 02 Jul 2025 06:49 am
sneptsmoustache wrote: 02 Jul 2025 06:39 am I'm a bit surprised at how many folks are throwing up their hands and saying "we lost this trade", "we traded a proven NHLer for someone who's only played 8 games", etc. I get it, losing Bolduc after a quasi-breakout season sucks, but you have to give to get.

This kid is 22 years old, he's outgrown the AHL, and he's ready to take the next step. In the Athletic's Top 100 prospects earlier this year, he was ranked ahead of Lindstein, Jiricek, and Stenberg. Big, mobile, two-way defenseman who hits and has a booming shot. 6'4 215. These don't grow on trees.

NHL fan bases consistently underrate their own defensemen and tend to magnify every single mistake. I'm sure you can go to the Blues HF Board and convince yourself that Parayko sucks, too. I'm willing to listen to the Blues pro scouts (who have done a pretty good job lately) vs. some keyboard warriors.

Do I think the Blues won this trade? I have no idea. We won't know for a few years tbh. I'm personally pumped to see what this kid brings to the table and am relieved we took steps to address a pretty big hole on the right side.
The same people complained about our defense being small and now we had a Howitzer on the Blue line and it’s still not good enough
People are questioning who we gave up to get him, not the acquisition of LM itself.
The unfortunate part of this trade is how far Bolduc has come in the last 12 months. I listened to an interview from yesterday and players he’s watching try and learn from that he mentioned was McDavid and Tom Wilson. How many young players would say that combo?
But when I was listening to to all the Kyrou rumours and looking at the recent draft and prospects the team has I knew a trade was coming for a winger. Unfortunately the best way to manage this surplus of wingers will be to develop them and increase their value to maximize the return. Up front Montreal probably will win this trade for 2-3 years and after that maybe it evens up. It sounds like Mailloux made lots of progress by the time playoffs came around. His coach said he probably was playing the best hockey he saw him play.
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sneptsmoustache wrote: 02 Jul 2025 06:39 am I'm a bit surprised at how many folks are throwing up their hands and saying "we lost this trade", "we traded a proven NHLer for someone who's only played 8 games", etc. I get it, losing Bolduc after a quasi-breakout season sucks, but you have to give to get.

This kid is 22 years old, he's outgrown the AHL, and he's ready to take the next step. In the Athletic's Top 100 prospects earlier this year, he was ranked ahead of Lindstein, Jiricek, and Stenberg. Big, mobile, two-way defenseman who hits and has a booming shot. 6'4 215. These don't grow on trees.

NHL fan bases consistently underrate their own defensemen and tend to magnify every single mistake. I'm sure you can go to the Blues HF Board and convince yourself that Parayko sucks, too. I'm willing to listen to the Blues pro scouts (who have done a pretty good job lately) vs. some keyboard warriors.

Do I think the Blues won this trade? I have no idea. We won't know for a few years tbh. I'm personally pumped to see what this kid brings to the table and am relieved we took steps to address a pretty big hole on the right side.
Don't forget that defenseman take longer to develop AND some lost significant devo time (juniors) due to Covid when they were forced to shut down leagues.
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MiamiLaw wrote: 02 Jul 2025 06:55 am
Pierre McGuire wrote: 02 Jul 2025 06:49 am
sneptsmoustache wrote: 02 Jul 2025 06:39 am I'm a bit surprised at how many folks are throwing up their hands and saying "we lost this trade", "we traded a proven NHLer for someone who's only played 8 games", etc. I get it, losing Bolduc after a quasi-breakout season sucks, but you have to give to get.

This kid is 22 years old, he's outgrown the AHL, and he's ready to take the next step. In the Athletic's Top 100 prospects earlier this year, he was ranked ahead of Lindstein, Jiricek, and Stenberg. Big, mobile, two-way defenseman who hits and has a booming shot. 6'4 215. These don't grow on trees.

NHL fan bases consistently underrate their own defensemen and tend to magnify every single mistake. I'm sure you can go to the Blues HF Board and convince yourself that Parayko sucks, too. I'm willing to listen to the Blues pro scouts (who have done a pretty good job lately) vs. some keyboard warriors.

Do I think the Blues won this trade? I have no idea. We won't know for a few years tbh. I'm personally pumped to see what this kid brings to the table and am relieved we took steps to address a pretty big hole on the right side.
The same people complained about our defense being small and now we had a Howitzer on the Blue line and it’s still not good enough
People are questioning who we gave up to get him, not the acquisition of LM itself.
Yes..we gave up Bolduc…who management doesn’t see as a top 6 winger at this point in time, not to mention we have a few guys coming that will be able to play his spot on the 3rd line.
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Pierre McGuire wrote: 02 Jul 2025 08:49 am
MiamiLaw wrote: 02 Jul 2025 06:55 am
Pierre McGuire wrote: 02 Jul 2025 06:49 am
sneptsmoustache wrote: 02 Jul 2025 06:39 am I'm a bit surprised at how many folks are throwing up their hands and saying "we lost this trade", "we traded a proven NHLer for someone who's only played 8 games", etc. I get it, losing Bolduc after a quasi-breakout season sucks, but you have to give to get.

This kid is 22 years old, he's outgrown the AHL, and he's ready to take the next step. In the Athletic's Top 100 prospects earlier this year, he was ranked ahead of Lindstein, Jiricek, and Stenberg. Big, mobile, two-way defenseman who hits and has a booming shot. 6'4 215. These don't grow on trees.

NHL fan bases consistently underrate their own defensemen and tend to magnify every single mistake. I'm sure you can go to the Blues HF Board and convince yourself that Parayko sucks, too. I'm willing to listen to the Blues pro scouts (who have done a pretty good job lately) vs. some keyboard warriors.

Do I think the Blues won this trade? I have no idea. We won't know for a few years tbh. I'm personally pumped to see what this kid brings to the table and am relieved we took steps to address a pretty big hole on the right side.
The same people complained about our defense being small and now we had a Howitzer on the Blue line and it’s still not good enough
People are questioning who we gave up to get him, not the acquisition of LM itself.
Yes..we gave up Bolduc…who management doesn’t see as a top 6 winger at this point in time, not to mention we have a few guys coming that will be able to play his spot on the 3rd line.
Sent the best shot on the team down the road for a maybe. This team struggles to score and struggles to score from distance mightily. Slept on it, and I still really dislike this trade this morning.
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I think we are a great fit for Mailloux and he is a great fit for us, just what we needed really. A big promising young RD that can get started on our 3rd pair and work his way up as others age.

Don't think we should have traded Bolduc and I don't think Bolduc is what the market demanded at all for this player. I really don't care about the "baggage" at all. IMO most young men have done as much or worse and just didn't get in trouble for it. None the less it is devaluing and we should not have paid full blown retail on this player.

I'd be shocked if almost everyone would not have agreed with that before it happened.
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All along we've been saying we are going to trade a young winger that we don't want to trade.

Neighbours is a rock solid keeper, period. I am just not trading that player, he is who you win with.
I value Snuggy and Stenberg more and among Snuggy Stenberg and Bolduc I am always choosing Bolduc as the odd man out (as a career projection which of course could be wrong but is a best intuition).

My main objection to this trade is settling for a lesser prospect than is needed to do what needs doing on RHD. I think he did it because the situation over there is desperate. There are two prospects who are longshots as top 4 RHD (Jiricek due to his poor development track at the moment and McIsaac who has a faint chance) and then there's disappointing Kessel, Tucker with a ceiling, and Faulk aging quickly. A defenseman who's bad at defense is just not an acceptable solution for this need but the available scraps on RHD like Maillous are all guesses and hopes. We are a team that is going to be good but flawed and doesn't have a good plan to fix the flaw because nearly everyone else has the same flaw. Blues are market screwed. "we need a dollar to be in the competition at all!" "65 cents is available!" "sold! for the low low price of 80 cents! congratulations!"
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seattleblue wrote: 02 Jul 2025 10:23 am All along we've been saying we are going to trade a young winger that we don't want to trade.

Neighbours is a rock solid keeper, period. I am just not trading that player, he is who you win with.
I value Snuggy and Stenberg more and among Snuggy Stenberg and Bolduc I am always choosing Bolduc as the odd man out (as a career projection which of course could be wrong but is a best intuition).

My main objection to this trade is settling for a lesser prospect than is needed to do what needs doing on RHD. I think he did it because the situation over there is desperate. There are two prospects who are longshots as top 4 RHD (Jiricek due to his poor development track at the moment and McIsaac who has a faint chance) and then there's disappointing Kessel, Tucker with a ceiling, and Faulk aging quickly. A defenseman who's bad at defense is just not an acceptable solution for this need but the available scraps on RHD like Maillous are all guesses and hopes. We are a team that is going to be good but flawed and doesn't have a good plan to fix the flaw because nearly everyone else has the same flaw. Blues are market screwed. "we need a dollar to be in the competition at all!" "65 cents is available!" "sold! for the low low price of 80 cents! congratulations!"
Bolduc could score 30 who knows but if all things are equal the RHD has more value that a LW. This is encumbent on the Blues scouting and knowing Mailloux is a stud
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seattleblue wrote: 02 Jul 2025 10:23 am All along we've been saying we are going to trade a young winger that we don't want to trade.

Neighbours is a rock solid keeper, period. I am just not trading that player, he is who you win with.
I value Snuggy and Stenberg more and among Snuggy Stenberg and Bolduc I am always choosing Bolduc as the odd man out (as a career projection which of course could be wrong but is a best intuition).

My main objection to this trade is settling for a lesser prospect than is needed to do what needs doing on RHD. I think he did it because the situation over there is desperate. There are two prospects who are longshots as top 4 RHD (Jiricek due to his poor development track at the moment and McIsaac who has a faint chance) and then there's disappointing Kessel, Tucker with a ceiling, and Faulk aging quickly. A defenseman who's bad at defense is just not an acceptable solution for this need but the available scraps on RHD like Maillous are all guesses and hopes. We are a team that is going to be good but flawed and doesn't have a good plan to fix the flaw because nearly everyone else has the same flaw. Blues are market screwed. "we need a dollar to be in the competition at all!" "65 cents is available!" "sold! for the low low price of 80 cents! congratulations!"
I would've like Reinbacher as well. He's a more well-rounded player it seems. Do you think because Reinbacher might take a couple of years, that getting Mailloux (who Army said is to be on the club at the start) made this an easier choice?

I agree with you on the which winger to choose to trade...not an easy choice.
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