Question on Sonny Gray & rotation?

[Cusecards]

Ok:
Gray pitched 6/12 @ Milwaukee.
They basically skipped over his next start giving him extra rest. Not saying that was wrong.
Gray pitched 6/21 vs the Reds.
Gray then pitched on Friday dominating the Guardians as they went to a six man rotation.
Not saying that was wrong either but he did miss pitching in the Cubs series.
Now....I see he’s “listed” to start on turn Wednesday at Pittsburgh.
Maybe that will change but if it doesn’t it means our best starter didn’t pitch AT ALL vs. the Cubs?
Huh???????

[Wattage]

Ok:
Gray pitched 6/12 @ Milwaukee.
They basically skipped over his next start giving him extra rest. Not saying that was wrong.
Gray pitched 6/21 vs the Reds.
Gray then pitched on Friday dominating the Guardians as they went to a six man rotation.
Not saying that was wrong either but he did miss pitching in the Cubs series.
Now....I see he’s “listed” to start on turn Wednesday at Pittsburgh.
Maybe that will change but if it doesn’t it means our best starter didn’t pitch AT ALL vs. the Cubs?
Huh???????

1. We have games with cubs later in the year too
2. Hes old, they pushed him back a day from facing cubs sp that he didnt have to pitch in sweltering heat.
3. Im not really worried about aligning rotation to opponents this early in season. Apl wins are wins and cubs could collapse and we be staring down milwaukee at yeats end. Or wild card could ve what we are close to. Right now wins are wins and i dont think we need to tailor to opponent.

[Cusecards]

Ok:
Gray pitched 6/12 @ Milwaukee.
They basically skipped over his next start giving him extra rest. Not saying that was wrong.
Gray pitched 6/21 vs the Reds.
Gray then pitched on Friday dominating the Guardians as they went to a six man rotation.
Not saying that was wrong either but he did miss pitching in the Cubs series.
Now....I see he’s “listed” to start on turn Wednesday at Pittsburgh.
Maybe that will change but if it doesn’t it means our best starter didn’t pitch AT ALL vs. the Cubs?
Huh???????

1. We have games with cubs later in the year too
2. Hes old, they pushed him back a day from facing cubs sp that he didnt have to pitch in sweltering heat.
3. Im not really worried about aligning rotation to opponents this early in season. Apl wins are wins and cubs could collapse and we be staring down milwaukee at yeats end. Or wild card could ve what we are close to. Right now wins are wins and i dont think we need to tailor to opponent.

Very good points well taken!
I have been critical of Oli before but not trying to pile on him.
Possible that Gray doesn’t start Wednesday and gets some extra rest again and does open the Cubs series Friday?
If not, like you said a win is a win, and he was brilliant Friday with some extra rest!

[Cardinals4Life]

Ok:
Gray pitched 6/12 @ Milwaukee.
They basically skipped over his next start giving him extra rest. Not saying that was wrong.
Gray pitched 6/21 vs the Reds.
Gray then pitched on Friday dominating the Guardians as they went to a six man rotation.
Not saying that was wrong either but he did miss pitching in the Cubs series.
Now....I see he’s “listed” to start on turn Wednesday at Pittsburgh.
Maybe that will change but if it doesn’t it means our best starter didn’t pitch AT ALL vs. the Cubs?
Huh???????

1. We have games with cubs later in the year too
2. Hes old, they pushed him back a day from facing cubs sp that he didnt have to pitch in sweltering heat.
3. Im not really worried about aligning rotation to opponents this early in season. Apl wins are wins and cubs could collapse and we be staring down milwaukee at yeats end. Or wild card could ve what we are close to. Right now wins are wins and i dont think we need to tailor to opponent.

Very good points well taken!
I have been critical of Oli before but not trying to pile on him.
Possible that Gray doesn’t start Wednesday and gets some extra rest again and does open the Cubs series Friday?
If not, like you said a win is a win, and he was brilliant Friday with some extra rest!

All wins are not the same. Wins against the team your chasing in the division are obviously more important. The fact that Marmol didn't pitch Gray against the Cubs and his atrocious lineups for the Sat. and Sun. games after winning the first 2 are fireable offenses! The guy is clueless!

[Cusecards]

Ok:
Gray pitched 6/12 @ Milwaukee.
They basically skipped over his next start giving him extra rest. Not saying that was wrong.
Gray pitched 6/21 vs the Reds.
Gray then pitched on Friday dominating the Guardians as they went to a six man rotation.
Not saying that was wrong either but he did miss pitching in the Cubs series.
Now....I see he’s “listed” to start on turn Wednesday at Pittsburgh.
Maybe that will change but if it doesn’t it means our best starter didn’t pitch AT ALL vs. the Cubs?
Huh???????

1. We have games with cubs later in the year too
2. Hes old, they pushed him back a day from facing cubs sp that he didnt have to pitch in sweltering heat.
3. Im not really worried about aligning rotation to opponents this early in season. Apl wins are wins and cubs could collapse and we be staring down milwaukee at yeats end. Or wild card could ve what we are close to. Right now wins are wins and i dont think we need to tailor to opponent.

Very good points well taken!
I have been critical of Oli before but not trying to pile on him.
Possible that Gray doesn’t start Wednesday and gets some extra rest again and does open the Cubs series Friday?
If not, like you said a win is a win, and he was brilliant Friday with some extra rest!

All wins are not the same. Wins against the team your chasing in the division are obviously more important. The fact that Marmol didn't pitch Gray against the Cubs and his atrocious lineups for the Sat. and Sun. games after winning the first 2 are fireable offenses! The guy is clueless!

While I don’t want to come across as an Oli Hater his scheduling of the rotation resulting in Gray missing the Cubs in both series would be curious.

[icon]

Gray needs to pitch on turn the rest of the season. The Cardinals must maximize his number of starts. Forget the six man rotation. And skip Mikolas when feasible or dump him for McGreevy. Of course, there is always the caveat of Gray informing management that he needs extra rest from time to time. Otherwise, all systems go.

[rightthinker4]

We don’t know the conversations between Gray, Marlol, and Blake, and never will.

[hugeCardfan]

Ok:
Gray pitched 6/12 @ Milwaukee.
They basically skipped over his next start giving him extra rest. Not saying that was wrong.
Gray pitched 6/21 vs the Reds.
Gray then pitched on Friday dominating the Guardians as they went to a six man rotation.
Not saying that was wrong either but he did miss pitching in the Cubs series.
Now....I see he’s “listed” to start on turn Wednesday at Pittsburgh.
Maybe that will change but if it doesn’t it means our best starter didn’t pitch AT ALL vs. the Cubs?
Huh???????

1. We have games with cubs later in the year too
2. Hes old, they pushed him back a day from facing cubs sp that he didnt have to pitch in sweltering heat.
3. Im not really worried about aligning rotation to opponents this early in season. Apl wins are wins and cubs could collapse and we be staring down milwaukee at yeats end. Or wild card could ve what we are close to. Right now wins are wins and i dont think we need to tailor to opponent.

Very good points well taken!
I have been critical of Oli before but not trying to pile on him.
Possible that Gray doesn’t start Wednesday and gets some extra rest again and does open the Cubs series Friday?
If not, like you said a win is a win, and he was brilliant Friday with some extra rest!

All wins are not the same. Wins against the team your chasing in the division are obviously more important. The fact that Marmol didn't pitch Gray against the Cubs and his atrocious lineups for the Sat. and Sun. games after winning the first 2 are fireable offenses! The guy is clueless!

Sonny isn't the same every day. He gets overheated and overworked on estraordinarily hot humid days and becomes less effective as the ace starter that we need. Frankly, I'm glad he didn't pitch in the sweltering heat of St Louis vs Imanaga. We were shut out that day and most likely would have lost even if Sonny were pitching. I want Sonny pitching every time he is able, but, most importantly, I want him to be the most effective he can be. I trust the brain trust to figure out when that is. The game he pitched in Cleveland set us up to do something we haven't done in the history of the two team match up; sweep Cleveland in Cleveland. He dominated the Guardians and gave us a serious leg up on the series.

It's not a fireable offense to do what's best for both the pitcher and the team when it comes to which days he pitches. That's just ludicrous.

[45s]

The guy is 35

The club has 6 games against Milwaukee in sept

3 against the Cubs

Finding a few extra days rest for him now will probably benefit the club then

[ScotchMIrish]

Ok:
Gray pitched 6/12 @ Milwaukee.
They basically skipped over his next start giving him extra rest. Not saying that was wrong.
Gray pitched 6/21 vs the Reds.
Gray then pitched on Friday dominating the Guardians as they went to a six man rotation.
Not saying that was wrong either but he did miss pitching in the Cubs series.
Now....I see he’s “listed” to start on turn Wednesday at Pittsburgh.
Maybe that will change but if it doesn’t it means our best starter didn’t pitch AT ALL vs. the Cubs?
Huh???????

Long season. Gotta be smart. In October he might have pushed it and started without feeling good. No reason to take a chance in June.

[Bad14]

If Gray needs extra rest from time to time then there's no reason Gray needs to pitch on regular rest to face the Pirates. We have other options. We need him vs Cubs.

[Cardinals4Life]

Ok:
Gray pitched 6/12 @ Milwaukee.
They basically skipped over his next start giving him extra rest. Not saying that was wrong.
Gray pitched 6/21 vs the Reds.
Gray then pitched on Friday dominating the Guardians as they went to a six man rotation.
Not saying that was wrong either but he did miss pitching in the Cubs series.
Now....I see he’s “listed” to start on turn Wednesday at Pittsburgh.
Maybe that will change but if it doesn’t it means our best starter didn’t pitch AT ALL vs. the Cubs?
Huh???????

1. We have games with cubs later in the year too
2. Hes old, they pushed him back a day from facing cubs sp that he didnt have to pitch in sweltering heat.
3. Im not really worried about aligning rotation to opponents this early in season. Apl wins are wins and cubs could collapse and we be staring down milwaukee at yeats end. Or wild card could ve what we are close to. Right now wins are wins and i dont think we need to tailor to opponent.

Very good points well taken!
I have been critical of Oli before but not trying to pile on him.
Possible that Gray doesn’t start Wednesday and gets some extra rest again and does open the Cubs series Friday?
If not, like you said a win is a win, and he was brilliant Friday with some extra rest!

All wins are not the same. Wins against the team your chasing in the division are obviously more important. The fact that Marmol didn't pitch Gray against the Cubs and his atrocious lineups for the Sat. and Sun. games after winning the first 2 are fireable offenses! The guy is clueless!

Sonny isn't the same every day. He gets overheated and overworked on estraordinarily hot humid days and becomes less effective as the ace starter that we need. Frankly, I'm glad he didn't pitch in the sweltering heat of St Louis vs Imanaga. We were shut out that day and most likely would have lost even if Sonny were pitching. I want Sonny pitching every time he is able, but, most importantly, I want him to be the most effective he can be. I trust the brain trust to figure out when that is. The game he pitched in Cleveland set us up to do something we haven't done in the history of the two team match up; sweep Cleveland in Cleveland. He dominated the Guardians and gave us a serious leg up on the series.

It's not a fireable offense to do what's best for both the pitcher and the team when it comes to which days he pitches. That's just ludicrous.

The only thing ludicrous is the Cardinals trying to pass off Gray as an Ace......
well, besides Marmol being a MLB manager!

[Cusecards]

Ok:
Gray pitched 6/12 @ Milwaukee.
They basically skipped over his next start giving him extra rest. Not saying that was wrong.
Gray pitched 6/21 vs the Reds.
Gray then pitched on Friday dominating the Guardians as they went to a six man rotation.
Not saying that was wrong either but he did miss pitching in the Cubs series.
Now....I see he’s “listed” to start on turn Wednesday at Pittsburgh.
Maybe that will change but if it doesn’t it means our best starter didn’t pitch AT ALL vs. the Cubs?
Huh???????

Long season. Gotta be smart. In October he might have pushed it and started without feeling good. No reason to take a chance in June.

Oh I agree with not pushing it and giving him extra days.
I don’t know the inside scoop.
Was wondering if they could have given him extra rest AND pitched a game vs the Cubs

[OldRed]

Ok:
Gray pitched 6/12 @ Milwaukee.
They basically skipped over his next start giving him extra rest. Not saying that was wrong.
Gray pitched 6/21 vs the Reds.
Gray then pitched on Friday dominating the Guardians as they went to a six man rotation.
Not saying that was wrong either but he did miss pitching in the Cubs series.
Now....I see he’s “listed” to start on turn Wednesday at Pittsburgh.
Maybe that will change but if it doesn’t it means our best starter didn’t pitch AT ALL vs. the Cubs?
Huh???????

1. We have games with cubs later in the year too
2. Hes old, they pushed him back a day from facing cubs sp that he didnt have to pitch in sweltering heat.
3. Im not really worried about aligning rotation to opponents this early in season. Apl wins are wins and cubs could collapse and we be staring down milwaukee at yeats end. Or wild card could ve what we are close to. Right now wins are wins and i dont think we need to tailor to opponent.

Very good points well taken!
I have been critical of Oli before but not trying to pile on him.
Possible that Gray doesn’t start Wednesday and gets some extra rest again and does open the Cubs series Friday?
If not, like you said a win is a win, and he was brilliant Friday with some extra rest!

All wins are not the same. Wins against the team your chasing in the division are obviously more important. The fact that Marmol didn't pitch Gray against the Cubs and his atrocious lineups for the Sat. and Sun. games after winning the first 2 are fireable offenses! The guy is clueless!

I have thought a win is a win. And if small aging pitcher needs an extra day off now and then and pitches a one hitter, I believe it is good move.

[Bad14]

Ok:
Gray pitched 6/12 @ Milwaukee.
They basically skipped over his next start giving him extra rest. Not saying that was wrong.
Gray pitched 6/21 vs the Reds.
Gray then pitched on Friday dominating the Guardians as they went to a six man rotation.
Not saying that was wrong either but he did miss pitching in the Cubs series.
Now....I see he’s “listed” to start on turn Wednesday at Pittsburgh.
Maybe that will change but if it doesn’t it means our best starter didn’t pitch AT ALL vs. the Cubs?
Huh???????

1. We have games with cubs later in the year too
2. Hes old, they pushed him back a day from facing cubs sp that he didnt have to pitch in sweltering heat.
3. Im not really worried about aligning rotation to opponents this early in season. Apl wins are wins and cubs could collapse and we be staring down milwaukee at yeats end. Or wild card could ve what we are close to. Right now wins are wins and i dont think we need to tailor to opponent.

Very good points well taken!
I have been critical of Oli before but not trying to pile on him.
Possible that Gray doesn’t start Wednesday and gets some extra rest again and does open the Cubs series Friday?
If not, like you said a win is a win, and he was brilliant Friday with some extra rest!

All wins are not the same. Wins against the team your chasing in the division are obviously more important. The fact that Marmol didn't pitch Gray against the Cubs and his atrocious lineups for the Sat. and Sun. games after winning the first 2 are fireable offenses! The guy is clueless!

I have thought a win is a win. And if small aging pitcher needs an extra day off now and then and pitches a one hitter, I believe it is good move.

You can give him extra rest AND pitch him against the Cubs

[hugeCardfan]

Ok:
Gray pitched 6/12 @ Milwaukee.
They basically skipped over his next start giving him extra rest. Not saying that was wrong.
Gray pitched 6/21 vs the Reds.
Gray then pitched on Friday dominating the Guardians as they went to a six man rotation.
Not saying that was wrong either but he did miss pitching in the Cubs series.
Now....I see he’s “listed” to start on turn Wednesday at Pittsburgh.
Maybe that will change but if it doesn’t it means our best starter didn’t pitch AT ALL vs. the Cubs?
Huh???????

1. We have games with cubs later in the year too
2. Hes old, they pushed him back a day from facing cubs sp that he didnt have to pitch in sweltering heat.
3. Im not really worried about aligning rotation to opponents this early in season. Apl wins are wins and cubs could collapse and we be staring down milwaukee at yeats end. Or wild card could ve what we are close to. Right now wins are wins and i dont think we need to tailor to opponent.

Very good points well taken!
I have been critical of Oli before but not trying to pile on him.
Possible that Gray doesn’t start Wednesday and gets some extra rest again and does open the Cubs series Friday?
If not, like you said a win is a win, and he was brilliant Friday with some extra rest!

All wins are not the same. Wins against the team your chasing in the division are obviously more important. The fact that Marmol didn't pitch Gray against the Cubs and his atrocious lineups for the Sat. and Sun. games after winning the first 2 are fireable offenses! The guy is clueless!

Sonny isn't the same every day. He gets overheated and overworked on estraordinarily hot humid days and becomes less effective as the ace starter that we need. Frankly, I'm glad he didn't pitch in the sweltering heat of St Louis vs Imanaga. We were shut out that day and most likely would have lost even if Sonny were pitching. I want Sonny pitching every time he is able, but, most importantly, I want him to be the most effective he can be. I trust the brain trust to figure out when that is. The game he pitched in Cleveland set us up to do something we haven't done in the history of the two team match up; sweep Cleveland in Cleveland. He dominated the Guardians and gave us a serious leg up on the series.

It's not a fireable offense to do what's best for both the pitcher and the team when it comes to which days he pitches. That's just ludicrous.

The only thing ludicrous is the Cardinals trying to pass off Gray as an Ace......
well, besides Marmol being a MLB manager!

Where does it say that Gray is an ace? You, by the way, are the one throwing a hissy fit because they didn't pitch him against the Cubbies.