Jordan Kyrou

[seattleblue]

No, because I don't believe the right return is there. If the right return were there it's pretty clear that trigger is getting pulled. But, the guy was Dobson and that is done, so no it's not happening.

In 48 hrs we will be talking about shipping Buch out and Kyrou is here for the long haul

Buch isn't going anywhere he has a full no trade.

I agree that he would decline a trade. Someone else expressed an idea that Kyrou's NTC kicking in on Tuesday was no big deal but I don't agree. Torey Krug used it pretty well. But as far as talking about who to trade, that didn't stop people from talking about trading Schenn, so I am saying it won't stop the Buchnevich talk. But most people will want to trade him before they want to trade Kyrou (but not uniformly).

[theograce]

No, because I don't believe the right return is there. If the right return were there it's pretty clear that trigger is getting pulled. But, the guy was Dobson and that is done, so no it's not happening.

In 48 hrs we will be talking about shipping Buch out and Kyrou is here for the long haul

Buch isn't going anywhere he has a full no trade.

I agree that he would decline a trade. Someone else expressed an idea that Kyrou's NTC kicking in on Tuesday was no big deal but I don't agree. Torey Krug used it pretty well. But as far as talking about who to trade, that didn't stop people from talking about trading Schenn, so I am saying it won't stop the Buchnevich talk. But most people will want to trade him before they want to trade Kyrou (but not uniformly).

I hate that he’s a Blue. I want him gone so, so bad. He’s a clown

[ManitobaBlues]

Kyrou is not getting traded seriously who would not want a 70-80 point player and possible 40 goal scorer.....If the trade was going to happen, it would have been by now. Look on the bright side at least we will get entertained in the regular season

[a smell of green grass]

No, because I don't believe the right return is there. If the right return were there it's pretty clear that trigger is getting pulled. But, the guy was Dobson and that is done, so no it's not happening.

In 48 hrs we will be talking about shipping Buch out and Kyrou is here for the long haul

Buch isn't going anywhere he has a full no trade.

I agree that he would decline a trade. Someone else expressed an idea that Kyrou's NTC kicking in on Tuesday was no big deal but I don't agree. Torey Krug used it pretty well. But as far as talking about who to trade, that didn't stop people from talking about trading Schenn, so I am saying it won't stop the Buchnevich talk. But most people will want to trade him before they want to trade Kyrou (but not uniformly).

I hate that he’s a Blue. I want him gone so, so bad. He’s a clown

St Louis has 2 long-term problems:
1) Kyrou who disappeared in the playoffs.
2) Buchnevich who also tended to disappear in the playoffs, but was far too noticeable in the last 10 seconds.

I have to say... I am so so glad that we made the playoffs. We and the rest of the NHL found out exactly what we have on the roster at playoff time, and it is really helping with trade value now. Sarcasm....

[Harry York 37]

Pretty sure the dude scored in game 7

It was a tap in on a broken play. No one was around. On a good day, my cat could have pawed that one in.
Did you see it?

There was 59 minutes and fifty plus seconds of hockey where he … didn’t really care.

Thats just ignorant

You need to support your position.
Perhaps the most astute student of current hockey players who posts on this forum saw it. I saw it. Several others saw it. Ed Olcztck BROADCAST it on national television and that is your argument?
You saw Kyrou tap in a gift goal and he is vindicated?
That is amongst the weakest sauce I have come across.

You fellows have the kool aid on tap, all the time, apparently. I will sip it, but I won’t drink it til I am blind.

Basing personnel decisions on Eddie O commentary is when you jump the shark. He was also basing binnie until he couldn't.

This is where you do not have the order of events in this specific situation.
I was relieved that someone had the guts to say what I had been seeing since late April. I had been passionately defending Kyrou as late as then. Then came the playoffs. After “the Hit” I was worried he was hurt. Then it became apparent that, facing the playoff scenario with vicious hits from men who desperately wanted to raise the Cup, and without Holloway there to hold his hand, Kyrou reverted completely to form. There was a five page thread about Kyrou being a ghost after Game three. I stayed completely out of it as I was still hoping that Kyrou could turn it around and didn’t want to lose that hope, or Jobu’s mojo, or anything.
Then, by game seven… it had become truly painful to watch Kyrou “play” playoff hockey. There was a crucial icing mid-game that Kyrou could have neutralized- easily- but he pulled up and coasted and the puck a came back into our end. This is the kind of STUPID , careless, play that destroys playoff dreams. I bet the Kyrou supporters never even registered this.
There is a thread called “re:trade Kyrou” from last moth where I brought up the Olcyck quote. I mentioned how validating it was that a broadcaster had the guts to call it out for what it was. Minnesota confirmed that he felt the analysis was spot on. Neither of us needed to be told by any third party what a disturbing series and, especially, a game seven Kyrou turned in.
I think one of the differences is, and I am not comparing myself to him as his level is much higher than whatever I can grasp, but you need to see a lot of games in person and you need to understand the assignments and the expectations for top level players in all situations. I am sure Minnesota has seen thousands of games- live and up close. I have seen several hundred live and up close and the nine years I spent chauffeuring my youngest son to AA travel hockey games, tournaments and the CAHA AA State Championships, along with attending most all of his practices… taught me a lot.
Minnesota is smart to stay away from arguing with folks who lack that level of expertise.
I … have not been.

I don’t think any GM wants Kyrou enough to make a proper offer for him. They know whe have only a few dozen hours left to move him.
So… I hope Holloway can work more magic in him.

I guess i respect most of your posts but isnt this Kyrou playoff hate a little over the top? Its illogical at best. Yes, Kyrou is a finesse scoring winger this is a fact. He has worked on his game and strength every summer and was vastly better last season, arguably the Blues best player all season. Kyrou took a pretty major hit and really wasnt the same throughout the rest of the series, this is playoff hockey. Unlike some of the Jets Kyrou didnt miss a shift.
Kyrou was so bad in the Jets series that he was tied for the Blues goal scoring lead with 3 goals.
In fact Kyrou is so bad in the playoffs going back the last Blues 19 playoff games Kyrou leads the Blues with 10 goals scored, leads with 50 shots and has a 20% shooting pct. And leads with 6 EVG. Thats a 51 goal pace over an 82 game season
Since '21-'22 2nd, 3rd and 4th on Blues playoff goals scored list.....Perron, O Reilly and Tank, guys that arent even here anymore
So yea we all wish Kyrou was Brendan Shanahan I get it. My view is Kyrous game is evolving he is one of the fittest Blues he works on his 5v5 game all summer and my opinion is Blues better be careful with this because Kyrou scores goals in all situations esp playoff games.
If fans think that Snuggerud and Bolduc for instance are going to make up Kyrous production, sure maybe they do or maybe one gets hurt or both underperform. We are very likely going to watch Kyrou be a star RW somewhere else and I hope in this case the Blues can carry on seamlessly because this kind of deal can wreck a franchise. Goals can be hard to come by

Thank you, I respect the majority of yours.

This is about panicking that what we saw in this year’s playoffs is what we are strapped to for half a decade.

The two assists in 28 career playoff games is what is terrifying. You have to make plays to score assists.
Kyrou is worthless at driving the play because it makes up him a target. He can find open ice and rifle off a great shot, but that is the entire spectrum of his playoff contribution. In 28 games, a player with Kyrou’s world class skills should have have four times that number, at least, by accident. You really have to try not to be involved to post two assists in 28 games.
And Kyrou succeeds at not being involved in a committted way in the Stanley Cup playoffs.

I understand where you are coming from and agree that kyrou needs that kill or be killed mentality. But as far as the stats go, we can say all day he should have more assists or even goals in the last series. But who exactly is he creating a play too? Or who is helping him at all? Neighbours did the best he could to find a middle between being a pinball and trying to help create on offense. Schenn spent the whole series throwing his body around and crashing the crease. I love how both play but the 2 together do nothing for kyrou. All the jets had to do was 2 man press him. No one claims hes nathan mackinnon or any of those elites. He does get paid like them neither. Im willing to run it back and see what he can do with a more complete line hopefully(and more healthy) you do bring up a lot of good points. Im just not going to believe hes done getting better until he shows me hes done.

Well, they gave him a decent amount of time on the Thomas/ Buchnevich line. He started his miserable game seven on that line and was … miserable.
He is mentally weak. He does not rise to the challenge. He lost Holloway. That will hurt a player’s game. What bothers me is not that his production suffered. It was that he stopped competing. That is death in the playoffs.
The two passes that led to assists in 28 games is incredibly poor.
You could put a roomba on skates and run it out on the ice for 28 games and it would have more than two assists.
And it would have a higher compete level.

[b-a-a-a-rclay]

Kyrou isn't perfect by any means. However, one major factor in why he is being mentioned in trade rumors is that he is a winger on a team with a glut of wing options and he has defined his value in this league as a dynamic skater who scores goals and produces offensively. The blues are looking for a young 2C and a top 4 RHD. You aren't starting those conversations by offering wingers who haven't defined their value yet.

[SpacemanSpiff]

The good with Kyrou:

Over the last three seasons, he has the 17th highest goal total with 104 in 243 games.
That's more than either Tkachuk, Keller, Forsberg, and a host of other players that are paid what he's paid.
Over the last three seasons, he has went from being a -38, to a -12, to a +23.
So, despite what some think, he is becoming a more well-rounded player.

He is showing some level of maturity.

The bad with Kyrou:

He's never going to be a guy who's a masher, or a guy that's going to work very hard in the defensive zone, or drives offence with his patience - he's a shooter, and he does do that very well. And he's prone to giving up on a play because he still have a smattering of immaturity left in him.

As far as his price tag goes, for a guy that's been hitting 30 plus goals and around 70 points every year for the past three, 8.1 is a decent number.

Peterka just got 7.7 million and his career high in goals is 28, and his career high in points is 68.

But, I'll also say that no one is untradeable, and I put my trust in Armstrong - if he feels he can improve the team by moving him, so be it.

[BluesDom]

Ottawa may be destination I read. For Pinto +

[b-a-a-a-rclay]

Ottawa may be destination I read. For Pinto +

Decent source or not?

[BluesDom]

Reading on internet. They predicted Carolina if we were willing to wait until after July 1. Ottawa could happen quickly.
Opinions. Who knows.
https://clutchpoints.com/nhl/st-louis-b ... -offseason

[b-a-a-a-rclay]

Reading on internet. They predicted Carolina if we were willing to wait until after July 1. Ottawa could happen quickly.
Opinions. Who knows.
https://clutchpoints.com/nhl/st-louis-b ... -offseason

Pinto plus would definitely get DA's attention. Pinto fits a lot of what we could be looking for as a higher end 3C in the right age range. He also will still be an RFA after this coming season (3.75 cap hit). Projected to make about 6M per year on his next deal.

[tfriede2]

Reading on internet. They predicted Carolina if we were willing to wait until after July 1. Ottawa could happen quickly.
Opinions. Who knows.
https://clutchpoints.com/nhl/st-louis-b ... -offseason

I have a much different perspective, it seems, ha.

Pinto and “mid-round picks” or a no-name prospect is laughable, for me. If DA trades Kyrou, it won’t be for a package of lesser parts - it’ll be much closer to a 1 for 1 trade, IMO. Pinto doesn’t move the needle - upgrade on 3C, sure, but if I’m DA I’m not trading a 1st line caliber winger for a 3rd line guy…

[b-a-a-a-rclay]

Reading on internet. They predicted Carolina if we were willing to wait until after July 1. Ottawa could happen quickly.
Opinions. Who knows.
https://clutchpoints.com/nhl/st-louis-b ... -offseason

I have a much different perspective, it seems, ha.

Pinto and “mid-round picks” or a no-name prospect is laughable, for me. If DA trades Kyrou, it won’t be for a package of lesser parts - it’ll be much closer to a 1 for 1 trade, IMO. Pinto doesn’t move the needle - upgrade on 3C, sure, but if I’m DA I’m not trading a 1st line caliber winger for a 3rd line guy…

Pinto is considered a shut down center who has offensive potential that isn't close to being fully realized yet. The sens fans are very high on him and his 200 ft game ... almost 20 mins of ice time avg vs toronto in the playoff series. It sounds like he is an ascending player who already is probably their 3rd or 4th best all around forward behind Tkachuk, Stutzle and in close competition with Batherson. I'm just reading the hfboard thread on Pinto's ceiling. Most likely nothing comes of it. But I do think DA would enter into a conversation if the Sens are interested.

[rezero]

No, because I don't believe the right return is there. If the right return were there it's pretty clear that trigger is getting pulled. But, the guy was Dobson and that is done, so no it's not happening.

In 48 hrs we will be talking about shipping Buch out and Kyrou is here for the long haul

Buch isn't going anywhere he has a full no trade.

I agree that he would decline a trade. Someone else expressed an idea that Kyrou's NTC kicking in on Tuesday was no big deal but I don't agree. Torey Krug used it pretty well. But as far as talking about who to trade, that didn't stop people from talking about trading Schenn, so I am saying it won't stop the Buchnevich talk. But most people will want to trade him before they want to trade Kyrou (but not uniformly).

I hate that he’s a Blue. I want him gone so, so bad. He’s a clown

St Louis has 2 long-term problems:
1) Kyrou who disappeared in the playoffs.
2) Buchnevich who also tended to disappear in the playoffs, but was far too noticeable in the last 10 seconds.

I have to say... I am so so glad that we made the playoffs. We and the rest of the NHL found out exactly what we have on the roster at playoff time, and it is really helping with trade value now. Sarcasm....

The fact you think Kyrou is a long term problem is hilarious. He was the top goal scorer on our team by a long margin. He led the team in +/-. His Holloway line carried the Blues for a month. He is 27yrs old and just entering him prime years.

Plus he is on a team friendly contract, that is now ranks about 70th in the NHL for a player who finished around 40th in points and 26th in the league for plus /minus.

[TAFKAP]

I hate that he’s a Blue. I want him gone so, so bad. He’s a clown

We all hate that you're here. We've seen you sent to Animal Control time and time again. You're like Herpes, many say you can't get rid of it, it just pops up in a different way. Many experts, even in Canada say this. I've given you enough attention today Dogggo. You're spending the night outside. If you're REALLY good, I might give you more attention later.

Also, you're not a Blues fan, so nobody cares what you want. Do [fork] off.

[Harry S Deals]

Kyrou isn't perfect by any means. However, one major factor in why he is being mentioned in trade rumors is that he is a winger on a team with a glut of wing options and he has defined his value in this league as a dynamic skater who scores goals and produces offensively. The blues are looking for a young 2C and a top 4 RHD. You aren't starting those conversations by offering wingers who haven't defined their value yet.

Yes, Kyrou is mentioned as an asset in trade talks exactly because the NHL knows who he is, he scores he drives offense and he has a friendly deal in the current salary reality. Whether or not he throws body checks in playoffs games, or wait for it, assists isnt precluding his value. As i mentioned 10 goals in his last 19 playoff games. We could go down the list of good NHL wingers that have fewer