Jordan Kyrou

[Harry York 37]

Pretty sure the dude scored in game 7

It was a tap in on a broken play. No one was around. On a good day, my cat could have pawed that one in.
Did you see it?

There was 59 minutes and fifty plus seconds of hockey where he … didn’t really care.

Thats just ignorant

You need to support your position.
Perhaps the most astute student of current hockey players who posts on this forum saw it. I saw it. Several others saw it. Ed Olcztck BROADCAST it on national television and that is your argument?
You saw Kyrou tap in a gift goal and he is vindicated?
That is amongst the weakest sauce I have come across.

You fellows have the kool aid on tap, all the time, apparently. I will sip it, but I won’t drink it til I am blind.

Basing personnel decisions on Eddie O commentary is when you jump the shark. He was also basing binnie until he couldn't.

This is where you do not have the order of events in this specific situation.
I was relieved that someone had the guts to say what I had been seeing since late April. I had been passionately defending Kyrou as late as then. Then came the playoffs. After “the Hit” I was worried he was hurt. Then it became apparent that, facing the playoff scenario with vicious hits from men who desperately wanted to raise the Cup, and without Holloway there to hold his hand, Kyrou reverted completely to form. There was a five page thread about Kyrou being a ghost after Game three. I stayed completely out of it as I was still hoping that Kyrou could turn it around and didn’t want to lose that hope, or Jobu’s mojo, or anything.
Then, by game seven… it had become truly painful to watch Kyrou “play” playoff hockey. There was a crucial icing mid-game that Kyrou could have neutralized- easily- but he pulled up and coasted and the puck a came back into our end. This is the kind of STUPID , careless, play that destroys playoff dreams. I bet the Kyrou supporters never even registered this.
There is a thread called “re:trade Kyrou” from last moth where I brought up the Olcyck quote. I mentioned how validating it was that a broadcaster had the guts to call it out for what it was. Minnesota confirmed that he felt the analysis was spot on. Neither of us needed to be told by any third party what a disturbing series and, especially, a game seven Kyrou turned in.
I think one of the differences is, and I am not comparing myself to him as his level is much higher than whatever I can grasp, but you need to see a lot of games in person and you need to understand the assignments and the expectations for top level players in all situations. I am sure Minnesota has seen thousands of games- live and up close. I have seen several hundred live and up close and the nine years I spent chauffeuring my youngest son to AA travel hockey games, tournaments and the CAHA AA State Championships, along with attending most all of his practices… taught me a lot.
Minnesota is smart to stay away from arguing with folks who lack that level of expertise.
I … have not been.

I don’t think any GM wants Kyrou enough to make a proper offer for him. They know whe have only a few dozen hours left to move him.
So… I hope Holloway can work more magic in him.

That same announcer was rhetorically [redacted] austin matthews and silent about his playoff performances in game 5 and 7. Indeed your criteria would call for a majority of the Leafs to be jettisoned. You are not the only person on this board who has watched or played a lot of hockey. We get it you are disappointed in Kyrou but clamoring for his departure and using eddie o as a reference is frankly a little silly.

Fair enough.
I shouldn’t need to appeal to any outside authority.

I, personally agreed 100% with Olczyck’s analysis and so did the sharpest poster on this board.
I have listed my observations and my reasons based on what I have seen .

Kyrou’s deportment in the playoffs was embarrassing.
He doesn’t even come close to playing any kind of a game that wins a playoff series.
He doesn’t even try to compete and that is a a psychological boat anchor for a playoff team.
Ice dancers that can get open and fire off two great shots in a seven game series, and get a lucky tap in, will not win the game when things get rough. Armstrong, diplomatically, called his timidity a learning experience. Fer chrissakes, he is 27 years old and this was his third playoffs.
He knew what he was doing.
Playing it safe means an early tee time.

[IsDurbanodoingtime]

So the latest from the Twittersphere Matheson, Dach and RFA Jayden Struble for Kyrou and Sunny? What?? I'm sorry I don't see it this makes no sense from the Blues perspective

Perhaps I am wrong but I think a lot of this is being generated by the click bait sphere. Nothing in these deals addresses our needs for a 2c (which Dach is not) or a 2d pair rhd. As much as some bemoan soft JK, at 27 he is this teams leading scorer. It's magical thinking to expect the younger wingers to replace that especially if you factor in injuries. A trade like that goes through we are a guaranteed nonplayoff team.

[Harry York 37]

Pretty sure the dude scored in game 7

It was a tap in on a broken play. No one was around. On a good day, my cat could have pawed that one in.
Did you see it?

There was 59 minutes and fifty plus seconds of hockey where he … didn’t really care.

Thats just ignorant

You need to support your position.
Perhaps the most astute student of current hockey players who posts on this forum saw it. I saw it. Several others saw it. Ed Olcztck BROADCAST it on national television and that is your argument?
You saw Kyrou tap in a gift goal and he is vindicated?
That is amongst the weakest sauce I have come across.

You fellows have the kool aid on tap, all the time, apparently. I will sip it, but I won’t drink it til I am blind.

Basing personnel decisions on Eddie O commentary is when you jump the shark. He was also basing binnie until he couldn't.

This is where you do not have the order of events in this specific situation.
I was relieved that someone had the guts to say what I had been seeing since late April. I had been passionately defending Kyrou as late as then. Then came the playoffs. After “the Hit” I was worried he was hurt. Then it became apparent that, facing the playoff scenario with vicious hits from men who desperately wanted to raise the Cup, and without Holloway there to hold his hand, Kyrou reverted completely to form. There was a five page thread about Kyrou being a ghost after Game three. I stayed completely out of it as I was still hoping that Kyrou could turn it around and didn’t want to lose that hope, or Jobu’s mojo, or anything.
Then, by game seven… it had become truly painful to watch Kyrou “play” playoff hockey. There was a crucial icing mid-game that Kyrou could have neutralized- easily- but he pulled up and coasted and the puck a came back into our end. This is the kind of STUPID , careless, play that destroys playoff dreams. I bet the Kyrou supporters never even registered this.
There is a thread called “re:trade Kyrou” from last moth where I brought up the Olcyck quote. I mentioned how validating it was that a broadcaster had the guts to call it out for what it was. Minnesota confirmed that he felt the analysis was spot on. Neither of us needed to be told by any third party what a disturbing series and, especially, a game seven Kyrou turned in.
I think one of the differences is, and I am not comparing myself to him as his level is much higher than whatever I can grasp, but you need to see a lot of games in person and you need to understand the assignments and the expectations for top level players in all situations. I am sure Minnesota has seen thousands of games- live and up close. I have seen several hundred live and up close and the nine years I spent chauffeuring my youngest son to AA travel hockey games, tournaments and the CAHA AA State Championships, along with attending most all of his practices… taught me a lot.
Minnesota is smart to stay away from arguing with folks who lack that level of expertise.
I … have not been.

I don’t think any GM wants Kyrou enough to make a proper offer for him. They know whe have only a few dozen hours left to move him.
So… I hope Holloway can work more magic in him.

I guess i respect most of your posts but isnt this Kyrou playoff hate a little over the top? Its illogical at best. Yes, Kyrou is a finesse scoring winger this is a fact. He has worked on his game and strength every summer and was vastly better last season, arguably the Blues best player all season. Kyrou took a pretty major hit and really wasnt the same throughout the rest of the series, this is playoff hockey. Unlike some of the Jets Kyrou didnt miss a shift.
Kyrou was so bad in the Jets series that he was tied for the Blues goal scoring lead with 3 goals.
In fact Kyrou is so bad in the playoffs going back the last Blues 19 playoff games Kyrou leads the Blues with 10 goals scored, leads with 50 shots and has a 20% shooting pct. And leads with 6 EVG. Thats a 51 goal pace over an 82 game season
Since '21-'22 2nd, 3rd and 4th on Blues playoff goals scored list.....Perron, O Reilly and Tank, guys that arent even here anymore
So yea we all wish Kyrou was Brendan Shanahan I get it. My view is Kyrous game is evolving he is one of the fittest Blues he works on his 5v5 game all summer and my opinion is Blues better be careful with this because Kyrou scores goals in all situations esp playoff games.
If fans think that Snuggerud and Bolduc for instance are going to make up Kyrous production, sure maybe they do or maybe one gets hurt or both underperform. We are very likely going to watch Kyrou be a star RW somewhere else and I hope in this case the Blues can carry on seamlessly because this kind of deal can wreck a franchise. Goals can be hard to come by

Thank you, I respect the majority of yours.

This is about panicking that what we saw in this year’s playoffs is what we are strapped to for half a decade.

The two assists in 28 career playoff games is what is terrifying. You have to make plays to score assists.
Kyrou is worthless at driving the play because it makes up him a target. He can find open ice and rifle off a great shot, but that is the entire spectrum of his playoff contribution. In 28 games, a player with Kyrou’s world class skills should have have four times that number, at least, by accident. You really have to try not to be involved to post two assists in 28 games.
And Kyrou succeeds at not being involved in a committted way in the Stanley Cup playoffs.

[TAFKAP]

So the latest from the Twittersphere Matheson, Dach and RFA Jayden Struble for Kyrou and Sunny? What?? I'm sorry I don't see it this makes no sense from the Blues perspective

Perhaps I am wrong but I think a lot of this is being generated by the click bait sphere. Nothing in these deals addresses our needs for a 2c (which Dach is not) or a 2d pair rhd. As much as some bemoan soft JK, at 27 he is this teams leading scorer. It's magical thinking to expect the younger wingers to replace that especially if you factor in injuries. A trade like that goes through we are a guaranteed nonplayoff team.

It appears some would be ok with that as long as his replacement has "Heart" and "Guts". I'm so sick of the Asylum venerating try hards. I still loved Tim's old avatar with Brett Hull's statue with "Sobotka" pasted at the bottom. Blues Talk loved his gumption. I wouldn't want a whole team of them, but unless we get an offer that you just can't refuse, I'll keep 70 point Jordan Kyrou and see if he grows.

[netboy65]

So the latest from the Twittersphere Matheson, Dach and RFA Jayden Struble for Kyrou and Sunny? What?? I'm sorry I don't see it this makes no sense from the Blues perspective

Perhaps I am wrong but I think a lot of this is being generated by the click bait sphere. Nothing in these deals addresses our needs for a 2c (which Dach is not) or a 2d pair rhd. As much as some bemoan soft JK, at 27 he is this teams leading scorer. It's magical thinking to expect the younger wingers to replace that especially if you factor in injuries. A trade like that goes through we are a guaranteed nonplayoff team.

It appears some would be ok with that as long as his replacement has "Heart" and "Guts". I'm so sick of the Asylum venerating try hards. I still loved Tim's old avatar with Brett Hull's statue with "Sobotka" pasted at the bottom. Blues Talk loved his gumption. I wouldn't want a whole team of them, but unless we get an offer that you just can't refuse, I'll keep 70 point Jordan Kyrou and see if he grows.

Pretty much! You gladly take the 70-80 points and live with the shortcomings and trust that they diminish each year

[a smell of green grass]

So the latest from the Twittersphere Matheson, Dach and RFA Jayden Struble for Kyrou and Sunny? What?? I'm sorry I don't see it this makes no sense from the Blues perspective

Perhaps I am wrong but I think a lot of this is being generated by the click bait sphere. Nothing in these deals addresses our needs for a 2c (which Dach is not) or a 2d pair rhd. As much as some bemoan soft JK, at 27 he is this teams leading scorer. It's magical thinking to expect the younger wingers to replace that especially if you factor in injuries. A trade like that goes through we are a guaranteed nonplayoff team.

It appears some would be ok with that as long as his replacement has "Heart" and "Guts". I'm so sick of the Asylum venerating try hards. I still loved Tim's old avatar with Brett Hull's statue with "Sobotka" pasted at the bottom. Blues Talk loved his gumption. I wouldn't want a whole team of them, but unless we get an offer that you just can't refuse, I'll keep 70 point Jordan Kyrou and see if he grows.

Pretty much! You gladly take the 70-80 points and live with the shortcomings and trust that they diminish each year

Kyrou should not have been given a long-term contract, nor a NTC. I blame Army for that. Why change? He's got 5 more years to be the same as he is now.

[netboy65]

So the latest from the Twittersphere Matheson, Dach and RFA Jayden Struble for Kyrou and Sunny? What?? I'm sorry I don't see it this makes no sense from the Blues perspective

Perhaps I am wrong but I think a lot of this is being generated by the click bait sphere. Nothing in these deals addresses our needs for a 2c (which Dach is not) or a 2d pair rhd. As much as some bemoan soft JK, at 27 he is this teams leading scorer. It's magical thinking to expect the younger wingers to replace that especially if you factor in injuries. A trade like that goes through we are a guaranteed nonplayoff team.

It appears some would be ok with that as long as his replacement has "Heart" and "Guts". I'm so sick of the Asylum venerating try hards. I still loved Tim's old avatar with Brett Hull's statue with "Sobotka" pasted at the bottom. Blues Talk loved his gumption. I wouldn't want a whole team of them, but unless we get an offer that you just can't refuse, I'll keep 70 point Jordan Kyrou and see if he grows.

Pretty much! You gladly take the 70-80 points and live with the shortcomings and trust that they diminish each year

Kyrou should not have been given a long-term contract, nor a NTC. I blame Army for that. Why change? He's got 5 more years to be the same as he is now.

Neither you nor anyone can say that with any believable certainty

[bgwinn01]

If they get a legit young 200 foot C plus a first round draft pick, my gut says yes. Because Steen will have some say.

[Harry S Deals]

Something like Mailloux, Owen Neck, Josh Anderson is where I would start

[a smell of green grass]

So the latest from the Twittersphere Matheson, Dach and RFA Jayden Struble for Kyrou and Sunny? What?? I'm sorry I don't see it this makes no sense from the Blues perspective

Perhaps I am wrong but I think a lot of this is being generated by the click bait sphere. Nothing in these deals addresses our needs for a 2c (which Dach is not) or a 2d pair rhd. As much as some bemoan soft JK, at 27 he is this teams leading scorer. It's magical thinking to expect the younger wingers to replace that especially if you factor in injuries. A trade like that goes through we are a guaranteed nonplayoff team.

It appears some would be ok with that as long as his replacement has "Heart" and "Guts". I'm so sick of the Asylum venerating try hards. I still loved Tim's old avatar with Brett Hull's statue with "Sobotka" pasted at the bottom. Blues Talk loved his gumption. I wouldn't want a whole team of them, but unless we get an offer that you just can't refuse, I'll keep 70 point Jordan Kyrou and see if he grows.

Pretty much! You gladly take the 70-80 points and live with the shortcomings and trust that they diminish each year

Kyrou should not have been given a long-term contract, nor a NTC. I blame Army for that. Why change? He's got 5 more years to be the same as he is now.

Neither you nor anyone can say that with any believable certainty

It's true that I don't know what the holdup/hangup is with Kyrou. Lack of grit or lack of muscle. Not sure.

One thing is certain, however....

Kyrou is on the trading block, AND THAT SHOULD RARELY BE THE CASE for a guy with 5 years remaining on his contract. That was a HUGE mistake by the GM to commit that many years to guy that doesn't cut it. Maybe Army can "weasel" his way out of this contract via trade, but part of what makes Kyrou untradeable is the years that Army piled on him.

[b-a-a-a-rclay]

Actually, Kyrou's contract is probably very attractive. Compare it with players who are producing on pace with him. I don't want to take the time to do that, but I'll guess that production wise Kyrou is solid in the bang for buck category. He's paid to score. He scores. The term of his contract for his age and where contract amounts are headed over the next 5 years ... the contract is not a problem at all.

[a smell of green grass]

Actually, Kyrou's contract is probably very attractive. Compare it with players who are producing on pace with him. I don't want to take the time to do that, but I'll guess that production wise Kyrou is solid in the bang for buck category. He's paid to score. He scores. The term of his contract for his age and where contract amounts are headed over the next 5 years ... the contract is not a problem at all.

One question for you...

Imagine that you purchased a car for 8 years for a lot of money. You announced your intention to the world to keep the car for 8 years. Further imagine that you are now trying to get rid of the car after 2 years.

Would you buy that car? Wouldn't you guess that the 1st buyer is sick of the car?

Kyrou's five remaining years is a negative not a positive. If I was going to pick up a guy that was "iffy", I would not want to take a "5-year chance" on it. Maybe 2 years is all that I do.

[Harry S Deals]

Actually, Kyrou's contract is probably very attractive. Compare it with players who are producing on pace with him. I don't want to take the time to do that, but I'll guess that production wise Kyrou is solid in the bang for buck category. He's paid to score. He scores. The term of his contract for his age and where contract amounts are headed over the next 5 years ... the contract is not a problem at all.

Your 100% spot on its a very team friendly deal and Army has stated many times that regardless of terms if he wants to trade someone he'll find a way. Kyrou has literally done everything the team has asked

[skilles]

Something like Mailloux, Owen Neck, Josh Anderson is where I would start

I'm not even discussing Kyrou unless Reinbacher is part of the discussion.

[Younghopp1991]

Pretty sure the dude scored in game 7

It was a tap in on a broken play. No one was around. On a good day, my cat could have pawed that one in.
Did you see it?

There was 59 minutes and fifty plus seconds of hockey where he … didn’t really care.

Thats just ignorant

You need to support your position.
Perhaps the most astute student of current hockey players who posts on this forum saw it. I saw it. Several others saw it. Ed Olcztck BROADCAST it on national television and that is your argument?
You saw Kyrou tap in a gift goal and he is vindicated?
That is amongst the weakest sauce I have come across.

You fellows have the kool aid on tap, all the time, apparently. I will sip it, but I won’t drink it til I am blind.

Basing personnel decisions on Eddie O commentary is when you jump the shark. He was also basing binnie until he couldn't.

This is where you do not have the order of events in this specific situation.
I was relieved that someone had the guts to say what I had been seeing since late April. I had been passionately defending Kyrou as late as then. Then came the playoffs. After “the Hit” I was worried he was hurt. Then it became apparent that, facing the playoff scenario with vicious hits from men who desperately wanted to raise the Cup, and without Holloway there to hold his hand, Kyrou reverted completely to form. There was a five page thread about Kyrou being a ghost after Game three. I stayed completely out of it as I was still hoping that Kyrou could turn it around and didn’t want to lose that hope, or Jobu’s mojo, or anything.
Then, by game seven… it had become truly painful to watch Kyrou “play” playoff hockey. There was a crucial icing mid-game that Kyrou could have neutralized- easily- but he pulled up and coasted and the puck a came back into our end. This is the kind of STUPID , careless, play that destroys playoff dreams. I bet the Kyrou supporters never even registered this.
There is a thread called “re:trade Kyrou” from last moth where I brought up the Olcyck quote. I mentioned how validating it was that a broadcaster had the guts to call it out for what it was. Minnesota confirmed that he felt the analysis was spot on. Neither of us needed to be told by any third party what a disturbing series and, especially, a game seven Kyrou turned in.
I think one of the differences is, and I am not comparing myself to him as his level is much higher than whatever I can grasp, but you need to see a lot of games in person and you need to understand the assignments and the expectations for top level players in all situations. I am sure Minnesota has seen thousands of games- live and up close. I have seen several hundred live and up close and the nine years I spent chauffeuring my youngest son to AA travel hockey games, tournaments and the CAHA AA State Championships, along with attending most all of his practices… taught me a lot.
Minnesota is smart to stay away from arguing with folks who lack that level of expertise.
I … have not been.

I don’t think any GM wants Kyrou enough to make a proper offer for him. They know whe have only a few dozen hours left to move him.
So… I hope Holloway can work more magic in him.

I guess i respect most of your posts but isnt this Kyrou playoff hate a little over the top? Its illogical at best. Yes, Kyrou is a finesse scoring winger this is a fact. He has worked on his game and strength every summer and was vastly better last season, arguably the Blues best player all season. Kyrou took a pretty major hit and really wasnt the same throughout the rest of the series, this is playoff hockey. Unlike some of the Jets Kyrou didnt miss a shift.
Kyrou was so bad in the Jets series that he was tied for the Blues goal scoring lead with 3 goals.
In fact Kyrou is so bad in the playoffs going back the last Blues 19 playoff games Kyrou leads the Blues with 10 goals scored, leads with 50 shots and has a 20% shooting pct. And leads with 6 EVG. Thats a 51 goal pace over an 82 game season
Since '21-'22 2nd, 3rd and 4th on Blues playoff goals scored list.....Perron, O Reilly and Tank, guys that arent even here anymore
So yea we all wish Kyrou was Brendan Shanahan I get it. My view is Kyrous game is evolving he is one of the fittest Blues he works on his 5v5 game all summer and my opinion is Blues better be careful with this because Kyrou scores goals in all situations esp playoff games.
If fans think that Snuggerud and Bolduc for instance are going to make up Kyrous production, sure maybe they do or maybe one gets hurt or both underperform. We are very likely going to watch Kyrou be a star RW somewhere else and I hope in this case the Blues can carry on seamlessly because this kind of deal can wreck a franchise. Goals can be hard to come by

Thank you, I respect the majority of yours.

This is about panicking that what we saw in this year’s playoffs is what we are strapped to for half a decade.

The two assists in 28 career playoff games is what is terrifying. You have to make plays to score assists.
Kyrou is worthless at driving the play because it makes up him a target. He can find open ice and rifle off a great shot, but that is the entire spectrum of his playoff contribution. In 28 games, a player with Kyrou’s world class skills should have have four times that number, at least, by accident. You really have to try not to be involved to post two assists in 28 games.
And Kyrou succeeds at not being involved in a committted way in the Stanley Cup playoffs.

I understand where you are coming from and agree that kyrou needs that kill or be killed mentality. But as far as the stats go, we can say all day he should have more assists or even goals in the last series. But who exactly is he creating a play too? Or who is helping him at all? Neighbours did the best he could to find a middle between being a pinball and trying to help create on offense. Schenn spent the whole series throwing his body around and crashing the crease. I love how both play but the 2 together do nothing for kyrou. All the jets had to do was 2 man press him. No one claims hes nathan mackinnon or any of those elites. He does get paid like them neither. Im willing to run it back and see what he can do with a more complete line hopefully(and more healthy) you do bring up a lot of good points. Im just not going to believe hes done getting better until he shows me hes done.

[a smell of green grass]

Actually, Kyrou's contract is probably very attractive. Compare it with players who are producing on pace with him. I don't want to take the time to do that, but I'll guess that production wise Kyrou is solid in the bang for buck category. He's paid to score. He scores. The term of his contract for his age and where contract amounts are headed over the next 5 years ... the contract is not a problem at all.

Your 100% spot on its a very team friendly deal and Army has stated many times that regardless of terms if he wants to trade someone he'll find a way. Kyrou has literally done everything the team has asked

I guess I missed the memo where the team asked Kyrou to disappear in the playoffs after a big hit.

We all need to face it.

Kyrou is "iffy". If he wasn't iffy, Army would not be shopping a guy with 5 more years on his contract at an attractive price. And since Kryou is iffy, no teams will commit to 5 years guaranteed.