half a season and mets and yanks are both 2 games better than the cards

[rockondlouie]

-The great (NOT!) M. Shildt's Padres (dead even)

-The Mighty Braves ( ) -7 behind the Cardinals

[desertrat23]

And yet, if you had to bet at this point, you’d bet that the Mets and Yankees would be playing deep in October, while the Cardinals would not.

It’s amazing to me why people think baseball owners spending big money on players is bad. Who cares? It’s not your money.

[scoutyjones2]

And yet, if you had to bet at this point, you’d bet that the Mets and Yankees would be playing deep in October, while the Cardinals would not.

It’s amazing to me why people think baseball owners spending big money on players is bad. Who cares? It’s not your money.

It's amazing when fans demand their team spend the owners money then (bleep) and moan when they don't...it's easy to spend other people's money.

Also, spending lots, or more money, guarantees nothing

[desertrat23]

And yet, if you had to bet at this point, you’d bet that the Mets and Yankees would be playing deep in October, while the Cardinals would not.

It’s amazing to me why people think baseball owners spending big money on players is bad. Who cares? It’s not your money.

It's amazing when fans demand their team spend the owners money then (bleep) and moan when they don't...it's easy to spend other people's money.

Also, spending lots, or more money, guarantees nothing

Yeah, it’s easy to spend Bill DeWitt’s money. He’s not a friend or relative or someone whose portfolio I care about. My relationship with him is extremely transactional, and he’s got plenty. Spend money and give us a better chance (no, no guarantee) to win and we’ll spend more money. It’s a quid pro quo thing.

I never understand the mentality that you get bonus points for not spending on premier talent. Is it a Midwest fiscal-conservative thing? A humility thing? An inability to get over the pre-FA era? It’s strange.

[scoutyjones2]

And yet, if you had to bet at this point, you’d bet that the Mets and Yankees would be playing deep in October, while the Cardinals would not.

It’s amazing to me why people think baseball owners spending big money on players is bad. Who cares? It’s not your money.

It's amazing when fans demand their team spend the owners money then (bleep) and moan when they don't...it's easy to spend other people's money.

Also, spending lots, or more money, guarantees nothing

Yeah, it’s easy to spend Bill DeWitt’s money. He’s not a friend or relative or someone whose portfolio I care about. My relationship with him is extremely transactional, and he’s got plenty. Spend money and give us a better chance (no, no guarantee) to win and we’ll spend more money. It’s a quid pro quo thing.

I never understand the mentality that you get bonus points for not spending on premier talent. Is it a Midwest fiscal-conservative thing? A humility thing? An inability to get over the pre-FA era? It’s strange.

You don't get bonus points either way, except in your mind. It's his business and entertainment. Missed the playoffs the last 2 years but has operated a highly successful organization for most of his tenure.

Many another teams fans would welcome that horror

[desertrat23]

And yet, if you had to bet at this point, you’d bet that the Mets and Yankees would be playing deep in October, while the Cardinals would not.

It’s amazing to me why people think baseball owners spending big money on players is bad. Who cares? It’s not your money.

It's amazing when fans demand their team spend the owners money then (bleep) and moan when they don't...it's easy to spend other people's money.

Also, spending lots, or more money, guarantees nothing

Yeah, it’s easy to spend Bill DeWitt’s money. He’s not a friend or relative or someone whose portfolio I care about. My relationship with him is extremely transactional, and he’s got plenty. Spend money and give us a better chance (no, no guarantee) to win and we’ll spend more money. It’s a quid pro quo thing.

I never understand the mentality that you get bonus points for not spending on premier talent. Is it a Midwest fiscal-conservative thing? A humility thing? An inability to get over the pre-FA era? It’s strange.

You don't get bonus points either way, except in your mind. It's his business and entertainment. Missed the playoffs the last 2 years but has operated a highly successful organization for most of his tenure.

Many another teams fans would welcome that horror

Point is, this has to be the only team in baseball where a portion of the fanbase cares more about the owner turning a profit than winning. When you go to a restaurant, do you sit at the table and say to yourself, “boy, I hope the owner didn’t spend too much money on staff?” No, you want the most quality experience for your dollar. The owner’s profit margin is irrelevant to you. Why is baseball any different?

[scoutyjones2]

And yet, if you had to bet at this point, you’d bet that the Mets and Yankees would be playing deep in October, while the Cardinals would not.

It’s amazing to me why people think baseball owners spending big money on players is bad. Who cares? It’s not your money.

It's amazing when fans demand their team spend the owners money then (bleep) and moan when they don't...it's easy to spend other people's money.

Also, spending lots, or more money, guarantees nothing

Yeah, it’s easy to spend Bill DeWitt’s money. He’s not a friend or relative or someone whose portfolio I care about. My relationship with him is extremely transactional, and he’s got plenty. Spend money and give us a better chance (no, no guarantee) to win and we’ll spend more money. It’s a quid pro quo thing.

I never understand the mentality that you get bonus points for not spending on premier talent. Is it a Midwest fiscal-conservative thing? A humility thing? An inability to get over the pre-FA era? It’s strange.

You don't get bonus points either way, except in your mind. It's his business and entertainment. Missed the playoffs the last 2 years but has operated a highly successful organization for most of his tenure.

Many another teams fans would welcome that horror

Point is, this has to be the only team in baseball where a portion of the fanbase cares more about the owner turning a profit than winning. When you go to a restaurant, do you sit at the table and say to yourself, “boy, I hope the owner didn’t spend too much money on staff?” No, you want the most quality experience for your dollar. The owner’s profit margin is irrelevant to you. Why is baseball any different?

It's sports entertainment and not food. Not anywhere near similar

Alll teams fans want their owners to spend money. This is not unique to Cards fans

[Poojols]

And yet, if you had to bet at this point, you’d bet that the Mets and Yankees would be playing deep in October, while the Cardinals would not.

It’s amazing to me why people think baseball owners spending big money on players is bad. Who cares? It’s not your money.

It's amazing when fans demand their team spend the owners money then (bleep) and moan when they don't...it's easy to spend other people's money.

Also, spending lots, or more money, guarantees nothing

Yeah, it’s easy to spend Bill DeWitt’s money. He’s not a friend or relative or someone whose portfolio I care about. My relationship with him is extremely transactional, and he’s got plenty. Spend money and give us a better chance (no, no guarantee) to win and we’ll spend more money. It’s a quid pro quo thing.

I never understand the mentality that you get bonus points for not spending on premier talent. Is it a Midwest fiscal-conservative thing? A humility thing? An inability to get over the pre-FA era? It’s strange.

You don't get bonus points either way, except in your mind. It's his business and entertainment. Missed the playoffs the last 2 years but has operated a highly successful organization for most of his tenure.

Many another teams fans would welcome that horror

Point is, this has to be the only team in baseball where a portion of the fanbase cares more about the owner turning a profit than winning. When you go to a restaurant, do you sit at the table and say to yourself, “boy, I hope the owner didn’t spend too much money on staff?” No, you want the most quality experience for your dollar. The owner’s profit margin is irrelevant to you. Why is baseball any different?

It's a very minimal portion of the fanbase that would rather see the owner turn a profit. It's only a few guys on Cards Talk but it seems like a lot more since they sniff out these topics every time and defend Bill's honor until the reasonable person gets tired of entertaining them.

[jbrach]

the truth is the cards winning the world series on 06 and 11 with teams that nobody expected is far more thrilling than say the dodgers winning the WS after spending 400 million dollars and putting an all star at every position...the game would be a lot better if financial considerations did not dominate our discussions and there was some sort of reasonable salary cap..that said I would rather be a cards fan than a didgers fan but thats me

Let’s condense. Are you saying a dominant season is no fun. Say 2005, 2004, etc. they were great, but we didn’t win. How about a dominating season with no win, and match it against a middle road team who, ironically, wins. Which is the better emotional season.

I am saying a dominant season is great and those teams you speak of were great but if I remember did not win a WS..also those teams in 04 and 05 were not the result of outspending everyone...the 06 and 11 teams for me were special....all I am saying is if you root for the dodgers you are upset if they dont win the WS and if they do you expect it

[desertrat23]

And yet, if you had to bet at this point, you’d bet that the Mets and Yankees would be playing deep in October, while the Cardinals would not.

It’s amazing to me why people think baseball owners spending big money on players is bad. Who cares? It’s not your money.

It's amazing when fans demand their team spend the owners money then (bleep) and moan when they don't...it's easy to spend other people's money.

Also, spending lots, or more money, guarantees nothing

Yeah, it’s easy to spend Bill DeWitt’s money. He’s not a friend or relative or someone whose portfolio I care about. My relationship with him is extremely transactional, and he’s got plenty. Spend money and give us a better chance (no, no guarantee) to win and we’ll spend more money. It’s a quid pro quo thing.

I never understand the mentality that you get bonus points for not spending on premier talent. Is it a Midwest fiscal-conservative thing? A humility thing? An inability to get over the pre-FA era? It’s strange.

You don't get bonus points either way, except in your mind. It's his business and entertainment. Missed the playoffs the last 2 years but has operated a highly successful organization for most of his tenure.

Many another teams fans would welcome that horror

Point is, this has to be the only team in baseball where a portion of the fanbase cares more about the owner turning a profit than winning. When you go to a restaurant, do you sit at the table and say to yourself, “boy, I hope the owner didn’t spend too much money on staff?” No, you want the most quality experience for your dollar. The owner’s profit margin is irrelevant to you. Why is baseball any different?

It's sports entertainment and not food. Not anywhere near similar

Alll teams fans want their owners to spend money. This is not unique to Cards fans

And? If that’s the case, what’s wrong with wanting him to spend?

[desertrat23]

the truth is the cards winning the world series on 06 and 11 with teams that nobody expected is far more thrilling than say the dodgers winning the WS after spending 400 million dollars and putting an all star at every position...the game would be a lot better if financial considerations did not dominate our discussions and there was some sort of reasonable salary cap..that said I would rather be a cards fan than a didgers fan but thats me

Let’s condense. Are you saying a dominant season is no fun. Say 2005, 2004, etc. they were great, but we didn’t win. How about a dominating season with no win, and match it against a middle road team who, ironically, wins. Which is the better emotional season.

I am saying a dominant season is great and those teams you speak of were great but if I remember did not win a WS..also those teams in 04 and 05 were not the result of outspending everyone...the 06 and 11 teams for me were special....all I am saying is if you root for the dodgers you are upset if they dont win the WS and if they do you expect it

That’s silly. A WS is not more special if you spent less money on payroll. It’s OK to be the favorite — it’s actually good. Effort and investment should be rewarded.