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Re: Do the Cardinals have a future ace in the pipeline?

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They do. Name of Ace Field Mouse.
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Shady wrote: 26 Jun 2025 11:19 am
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 26 Jun 2025 10:01 am
Jatalk wrote: 26 Jun 2025 09:51 am Just quick survey. Of first 20 threads listed, 4 are from you Shady. Too many bub.
But you guys can't resist. Nobody gets more clicks and comments than Shady. Like Jordan Walker and the down and away slider. Can't lay off. Take your bat and have a seat.
BINGO ! But they think they are "too cool for school". LOL
Where did the french lawyer go ?
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Hence if he stays healthy.
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Re: Do the Cardinals have a future ace in the pipeline?

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Let me go a little different direction. I think I’m right that the Cardinals have 5 expiring contracts, all pitchers.
Mikolas
Fedde
Maton
Matz
Helsley

Common sense says trade some of them by trade deadline. What are current thoughts on who goes and who stays by trade deadline? Helsley is most obvious due to value I think. In that case I keep Maton. Personally I also keep Matz. Maybe extend both.

Mikolas and Fedde out the door. Not sure though who takes their spots, McGreevy is one.

Thoughts?
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Jatalk wrote: 27 Jun 2025 07:58 am
Let me go a little different direction. I think I’m right that the Cardinals have 5 expiring contracts, all pitchers.
Mikolas
Fedde
Maton
Matz
Helsley

Common sense says trade some of them by trade deadline. What are current thoughts on who goes and who stays by trade deadline? Helsley is most obvious due to value I think. In that case I keep Maton. Personally I also keep Matz. Maybe extend both.

Mikolas and Fedde out the door. Not sure though who takes their spots, McGreevy is one.

Thoughts?
Trade for Sandy. Gray. Libby. McG Pallante. Sell helsley Mik Matz Fedde. There has to be a decent return in there. Plus money saved to buy that bat.
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Re: Do the Cardinals have a future ace in the pipeline?

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sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 27 Jun 2025 08:01 am
Jatalk wrote: 27 Jun 2025 07:58 am
Let me go a little different direction. I think I’m right that the Cardinals have 5 expiring contracts, all pitchers.
Mikolas
Fedde
Maton
Matz
Helsley

Common sense says trade some of them by trade deadline. What are current thoughts on who goes and who stays by trade deadline? Helsley is most obvious due to value I think. In that case I keep Maton. Personally I also keep Matz. Maybe extend both.

Mikolas and Fedde out the door. Not sure though who takes their spots, McGreevy is one.

Thoughts?
Trade for Sandy. Gray. Libby. McG Pallante. Sell helsley Mik Matz Fedde. There has to be a decent return in there. Plus money saved to buy that bat.
Along those lines. I’d trade for Sandy or some other good SP and use Helsley/Matz/Fedde to offset the prospects you’d have to give up for the good SP. Do it right and you can be equally as good now (or even better possibly) and be better off for the future.
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Re: Do the Cardinals have a future ace in the pipeline?

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Futuregm2 wrote: 27 Jun 2025 08:04 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 27 Jun 2025 08:01 am
Jatalk wrote: 27 Jun 2025 07:58 am
Let me go a little different direction. I think I’m right that the Cardinals have 5 expiring contracts, all pitchers.
Mikolas
Fedde
Maton
Matz
Helsley

Common sense says trade some of them by trade deadline. What are current thoughts on who goes and who stays by trade deadline? Helsley is most obvious due to value I think. In that case I keep Maton. Personally I also keep Matz. Maybe extend both.

Mikolas and Fedde out the door. Not sure though who takes their spots, McGreevy is one.

Thoughts?
Trade for Sandy. Gray. Libby. McG Pallante. Sell helsley Mik Matz Fedde. There has to be a decent return in there. Plus money saved to buy that bat.
Along those lines. I’d trade for Sandy or some other good SP and use Helsley/Matz/Fedde to offset the prospects you’d have to give up for the good SP. Do it right and you can be equally as good now (or even better possibly) and be better off for the future.
That’s my take. Not a lot of quantity back from the trades, but maybe some quality. Just one real good pen arm. Maton or granillo to close.

Still in reset. So player performance is still relevant.
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sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 27 Jun 2025 08:01 am
Jatalk wrote: 27 Jun 2025 07:58 am
Let me go a little different direction. I think I’m right that the Cardinals have 5 expiring contracts, all pitchers.
Mikolas
Fedde
Maton
Matz
Helsley

Common sense says trade some of them by trade deadline. What are current thoughts on who goes and who stays by trade deadline? Helsley is most obvious due to value I think. In that case I keep Maton. Personally I also keep Matz. Maybe extend both.

Mikolas and Fedde out the door. Not sure though who takes their spots, McGreevy is one.

Thoughts?
Trade for Sandy. Gray. Libby. McG Pallante. Sell helsley Mik Matz Fedde. There has to be a decent return in there. Plus money saved to buy that bat.
Not sure what it takes to get Sandy?
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sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 27 Jun 2025 08:09 am
Futuregm2 wrote: 27 Jun 2025 08:04 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 27 Jun 2025 08:01 am
Jatalk wrote: 27 Jun 2025 07:58 am
Let me go a little different direction. I think I’m right that the Cardinals have 5 expiring contracts, all pitchers.
Mikolas
Fedde
Maton
Matz
Helsley

Common sense says trade some of them by trade deadline. What are current thoughts on who goes and who stays by trade deadline? Helsley is most obvious due to value I think. In that case I keep Maton. Personally I also keep Matz. Maybe extend both.

Mikolas and Fedde out the door. Not sure though who takes their spots, McGreevy is one.

Thoughts?
Trade for Sandy. Gray. Libby. McG Pallante. Sell helsley Mik Matz Fedde. There has to be a decent return in there. Plus money saved to buy that bat.
Along those lines. I’d trade for Sandy or some other good SP and use Helsley/Matz/Fedde to offset the prospects you’d have to give up for the good SP. Do it right and you can be equally as good now (or even better possibly) and be better off for the future.
That’s my take. Not a lot of quantity back from the trades, but maybe some quality. Just one real good pen arm. Maton or granillo to close.

Still in reset. So player performance is still relevant.
Doubt they would, but I wonder if the Twins would consider dealing Joe Ryan. 11.5 back in the division but I guess they’re still in the playoff hunt via the WC being only 2.5 games back. He’s got 2 years left of control and just turned 29 years old.
Last edited by Futuregm2 on 27 Jun 2025 08:14 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Futuregm2 wrote: 27 Jun 2025 08:12 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 27 Jun 2025 08:09 am
Futuregm2 wrote: 27 Jun 2025 08:04 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 27 Jun 2025 08:01 am
Jatalk wrote: 27 Jun 2025 07:58 am
Let me go a little different direction. I think I’m right that the Cardinals have 5 expiring contracts, all pitchers.
Mikolas
Fedde
Maton
Matz
Helsley

Common sense says trade some of them by trade deadline. What are current thoughts on who goes and who stays by trade deadline? Helsley is most obvious due to value I think. In that case I keep Maton. Personally I also keep Matz. Maybe extend both.

Mikolas and Fedde out the door. Not sure though who takes their spots, McGreevy is one.

Thoughts?
Trade for Sandy. Gray. Libby. McG Pallante. Sell helsley Mik Matz Fedde. There has to be a decent return in there. Plus money saved to buy that bat.
Along those lines. I’d trade for Sandy or some other good SP and use Helsley/Matz/Fedde to offset the prospects you’d have to give up for the good SP. Do it right and you can be equally as good now (or even better possibly) and be better off for the future.
That’s my take. Not a lot of quantity back from the trades, but maybe some quality. Just one real good pen arm. Maton or granillo to close.

Still in reset. So player performance is still relevant.
Doubt they would, but I wonder if the Twins would consider dealing Joe Ryan. 11.5 back in the division but I guess they’re still in the playoff hunt via the WC being only 2.5 games back. He’s got 2 years left of control.
Another good opportunity.
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Futuregm2 wrote: 27 Jun 2025 08:12 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 27 Jun 2025 08:09 am
Futuregm2 wrote: 27 Jun 2025 08:04 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 27 Jun 2025 08:01 am
Jatalk wrote: 27 Jun 2025 07:58 am
Let me go a little different direction. I think I’m right that the Cardinals have 5 expiring contracts, all pitchers.
Mikolas
Fedde
Maton
Matz
Helsley

Common sense says trade some of them by trade deadline. What are current thoughts on who goes and who stays by trade deadline? Helsley is most obvious due to value I think. In that case I keep Maton. Personally I also keep Matz. Maybe extend both.

Mikolas and Fedde out the door. Not sure though who takes their spots, McGreevy is one.

Thoughts?
Trade for Sandy. Gray. Libby. McG Pallante. Sell helsley Mik Matz Fedde. There has to be a decent return in there. Plus money saved to buy that bat.
Along those lines. I’d trade for Sandy or some other good SP and use Helsley/Matz/Fedde to offset the prospects you’d have to give up for the good SP. Do it right and you can be equally as good now (or even better possibly) and be better off for the future.
That’s my take. Not a lot of quantity back from the trades, but maybe some quality. Just one real good pen arm. Maton or granillo to close.

Still in reset. So player performance is still relevant.
Doubt they would, but I wonder if the Twins would consider dealing Joe Ryan. 11.5 back in the division but I guess they’re still in the playoff hunt via the WC being only 2.5 games back. He’s got 2 years left of control and just turned 29 years old.
Possible. The one thing about starters is everyone wants one. Cubs , Dodgers, Yankees can obviously make deep run and will be willing to possibly overpay. It’s going to hurt Cards chances obviously.
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Re: Do the Cardinals have a future ace in the pipeline?

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Jatalk wrote: 27 Jun 2025 08:23 am
Futuregm2 wrote: 27 Jun 2025 08:12 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 27 Jun 2025 08:09 am
Futuregm2 wrote: 27 Jun 2025 08:04 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 27 Jun 2025 08:01 am
Jatalk wrote: 27 Jun 2025 07:58 am
Let me go a little different direction. I think I’m right that the Cardinals have 5 expiring contracts, all pitchers.
Mikolas
Fedde
Maton
Matz
Helsley

Common sense says trade some of them by trade deadline. What are current thoughts on who goes and who stays by trade deadline? Helsley is most obvious due to value I think. In that case I keep Maton. Personally I also keep Matz. Maybe extend both.

Mikolas and Fedde out the door. Not sure though who takes their spots, McGreevy is one.

Thoughts?
Trade for Sandy. Gray. Libby. McG Pallante. Sell helsley Mik Matz Fedde. There has to be a decent return in there. Plus money saved to buy that bat.
Along those lines. I’d trade for Sandy or some other good SP and use Helsley/Matz/Fedde to offset the prospects you’d have to give up for the good SP. Do it right and you can be equally as good now (or even better possibly) and be better off for the future.
That’s my take. Not a lot of quantity back from the trades, but maybe some quality. Just one real good pen arm. Maton or granillo to close.

Still in reset. So player performance is still relevant.
Doubt they would, but I wonder if the Twins would consider dealing Joe Ryan. 11.5 back in the division but I guess they’re still in the playoff hunt via the WC being only 2.5 games back. He’s got 2 years left of control and just turned 29 years old.
Possible. The one thing about starters is everyone wants one. Cubs , Dodgers, Yankees can obviously make deep run and will be willing to possibly overpay. It’s going to hurt Cards chances obviously.
That is why developing some outstanding starting pitching within the organization is so important.
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