The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.

[Talkin' Baseball]

That's probably true about the payroll and attendance.

[sikeston bulldog2]

I do

But you know as well as I that the Cardinals revenue streams, circa 2025, should've had them in the $190+M payroll range, right?

We both know it takes money, to make money.

If Bill tries to get away w/another "runway" season in 2026, then he's looking at 2M in attendance.

Trust me cranny, I've held season tix for over a decade and I talk to people at the stadium all the time.

People are (upset) and want more of a commitment from BDWJr payroll wise, Mo & Oli gone.

Mo is gone at seasons end, Oli should follow.

But Bill has to give Bloom that $170+M payroll if he ever wants to see 3+m again.

I predict we won't break the $170M for another 5 years at least, and it'll just be due to inflation. We'll stay in the 15th highest payroll range just so they can sometimes say we're in the top of half of league payrolls.

But if we did with this team. Where could we get to.

[rockondlouie]

I do

But you know as well as I that the Cardinals revenue streams, circa 2025, should've had them in the $190+M payroll range, right?

We both know it takes money, to make money.

If Bill tries to get away w/another "runway" season in 2026, then he's looking at 2M in attendance.

Trust me cranny, I've held season tix for over a decade and I talk to people at the stadium all the time.

People are (upset) and want more of a commitment from BDWJr payroll wise, Mo & Oli gone.

Mo is gone at seasons end, Oli should follow.

But Bill has to give Bloom that $170+M payroll if he ever wants to see 3+m again.

I predict we won't break the $170M for another 5 years at least, and it'll just be due to inflation. We'll stay in the 15th highest payroll range just so they can sometimes say we're in the top of half of league payrolls.

Sadly I wouldn't take you up on that 3d

I too expect Bill to go as cheap as he can, as long as he can.

Just needs to sell.

[desertrat23]

I do

But you know as well as I that the Cardinals revenue streams, circa 2025, should've had them in the $190+M payroll range, right?

We both know it takes money, to make money.

If Bill tries to get away w/another "runway" season in 2026, then he's looking at 2M in attendance.

Trust me cranny, I've held season tix for over a decade and I talk to people at the stadium all the time.

People are (upset) and want more of a commitment from BDWJr payroll wise, Mo & Oli gone.

Mo is gone at seasons end, Oli should follow.

But Bill has to give Bloom that $170+M payroll if he ever wants to see 3+m again.

I predict we won't break the $170M for another 5 years at least, and it'll just be due to inflation. We'll stay in the 15th highest payroll range just so they can sometimes say we're in the top of half of league payrolls.

But if we did with this team. Where could we get to.

Exactly. I think most of us see the potential with the younger core of this team. Could you imagine where they'd be if ownership cared enough to help them out?

[Cranny]

I do

But you know as well as I that the Cardinals revenue streams, circa 2025, should've had them in the $190+M payroll range, right?

We both know it takes money, to make money.

If Bill tries to get away w/another "runway" season in 2026, then he's looking at 2M in attendance.

Trust me cranny, I've held season tix for over a decade and I talk to people at the stadium all the time.

People are (upset) and want more of a commitment from BDWJr payroll wise, Mo & Oli gone.

Mo is gone at seasons end, Oli should follow.

But Bill has to give Bloom that $170+M payroll if he ever wants to see 3+m again.

I predict we won't break the $170M for another 5 years at least, and it'll just be due to inflation. We'll stay in the 15th highest payroll range just so they can sometimes say we're in the top of half of league payrolls.

But if we did with this team. Where could we get to.

Exactly. I think most of us see the potential with the younger core of this team. Could you imagine where they'd be if ownership cared enough to help them out?

Actually, they care very much. The more they win, the higher the revenues from increased attendance during the season, as well as the revenue potential of going deep into October.

But you already probably knew that, right rat?

[Talkin' Baseball]

After the new labor agreement is reached, I do expect payroll to go up. I suspect a significant portion of that to be for extensions moreso than additions.

[3dender]

I do

But you know as well as I that the Cardinals revenue streams, circa 2025, should've had them in the $190+M payroll range, right?

We both know it takes money, to make money.

If Bill tries to get away w/another "runway" season in 2026, then he's looking at 2M in attendance.

Trust me cranny, I've held season tix for over a decade and I talk to people at the stadium all the time.

People are (upset) and want more of a commitment from BDWJr payroll wise, Mo & Oli gone.

Mo is gone at seasons end, Oli should follow.

But Bill has to give Bloom that $170+M payroll if he ever wants to see 3+m again.

I predict we won't break the $170M for another 5 years at least, and it'll just be due to inflation. We'll stay in the 15th highest payroll range just so they can sometimes say we're in the top of half of league payrolls.

But if we did with this team. Where could we get to.

With the money coming off the books after this year they could sign Tucker and Framber Valdez (or Merrill Kelly, or Dustin May, or Cobb/Gallen/Cease/Suarez, etc... pick your poison) and still not be over $170M in payroll.

[3dender]

After the new labor agreement is reached, I do expect payroll to go up. I suspect a significant portion of that to be for extensions moreso than additions.

I'll be happy to be proven wrong, but I simply assume this is just the latest excuse floated by ownership as to why they can't spend money. There have been like a half dozen different excuses over the last 3-4 years, but the constant has been decreasing payroll relative to the rest of the league...

So unless the Cards are in a uniquely poor financial position among all 30 clubs, then it's literally just a bunch of excuses. The fact that their relative payroll size continues to drop is what gives the game away.

[desertrat23]

I do

But you know as well as I that the Cardinals revenue streams, circa 2025, should've had them in the $190+M payroll range, right?

We both know it takes money, to make money.

If Bill tries to get away w/another "runway" season in 2026, then he's looking at 2M in attendance.

Trust me cranny, I've held season tix for over a decade and I talk to people at the stadium all the time.

People are (upset) and want more of a commitment from BDWJr payroll wise, Mo & Oli gone.

Mo is gone at seasons end, Oli should follow.

But Bill has to give Bloom that $170+M payroll if he ever wants to see 3+m again.

I predict we won't break the $170M for another 5 years at least, and it'll just be due to inflation. We'll stay in the 15th highest payroll range just so they can sometimes say we're in the top of half of league payrolls.

But if we did with this team. Where could we get to.

Exactly. I think most of us see the potential with the younger core of this team. Could you imagine where they'd be if ownership cared enough to help them out?

Actually, they care very much. The more they win, the higher the revenues from increased attendance during the season, as well as the revenue potential of going deep into October.

But you already probably knew that, right rat?

That’s a reasonable, logical statement — but the actions indicate otherwise.

[Talkin' Baseball]

After the new labor agreement is reached, I do expect payroll to go up. I suspect a significant portion of that to be for extensions moreso than additions.

I'll be happy to be proven wrong, but I simply assume this is just the latest excuse floated by ownership as to why they can't spend money. There have been like a half dozen different excuses over the last 3-4 years, but the constant has been decreasing payroll relative to the rest of the league...

So unless the Cards are in a uniquely poor financial position among all 30 clubs, then it's literally just a bunch of excuses. The fact that their relative payroll size continues to drop is what gives the game away.

They can say it, or spin it however they want- but it seems like the fans aren't buying what they are selling anymore.

[desertrat23]

After the new labor agreement is reached, I do expect payroll to go up. I suspect a significant portion of that to be for extensions moreso than additions.

I'll be happy to be proven wrong, but I simply assume this is just the latest excuse floated by ownership as to why they can't spend money. There have been like a half dozen different excuses over the last 3-4 years, but the constant has been decreasing payroll relative to the rest of the league...

So unless the Cards are in a uniquely poor financial position among all 30 clubs, then it's literally just a bunch of excuses. The fact that their relative payroll size continues to drop is what gives the game away.

They can say it, or spin it however they want- but it seems like the fans aren't buying what they are selling anymore.

And who can blame them (the fans)? They see ownership in comparable-sized markets with worse TV deals (think San Diego) actually trying. Cardinals fans are loyal but they're not idiots.

[Cranny]

After the new labor agreement is reached, I do expect payroll to go up. I suspect a significant portion of that to be for extensions moreso than additions.

I'll be happy to be proven wrong, but I simply assume this is just the latest excuse floated by ownership as to why they can't spend money. There have been like a half dozen different excuses over the last 3-4 years, but the constant has been decreasing payroll relative to the rest of the league...

So unless the Cards are in a uniquely poor financial position among all 30 clubs, then it's literally just a bunch of excuses. The fact that their relative payroll size continues to drop is what gives the game away.

They can say it, or spin it however they want- but it seems like the fans aren't buying what they are selling anymore.

And who can blame them (the fans)? They see ownership in comparable-sized markets with worse TV deals (think San Diego) actually trying. Cardinals fans are loyal but they're not idiots.

Or maybe the vast amount of past successes have produced some spoiled fans.

[desertrat23]

After the new labor agreement is reached, I do expect payroll to go up. I suspect a significant portion of that to be for extensions moreso than additions.

I'll be happy to be proven wrong, but I simply assume this is just the latest excuse floated by ownership as to why they can't spend money. There have been like a half dozen different excuses over the last 3-4 years, but the constant has been decreasing payroll relative to the rest of the league...

So unless the Cards are in a uniquely poor financial position among all 30 clubs, then it's literally just a bunch of excuses. The fact that their relative payroll size continues to drop is what gives the game away.

They can say it, or spin it however they want- but it seems like the fans aren't buying what they are selling anymore.

And who can blame them (the fans)? They see ownership in comparable-sized markets with worse TV deals (think San Diego) actually trying. Cardinals fans are loyal but they're not idiots.

Or maybe the vast amount of past successes have produced some spoiled fans.

I don't know how anyone could look at the rows and rows of empty seats and think, "Yes, it's the FANS who are wrong."

[3dender]

After the new labor agreement is reached, I do expect payroll to go up. I suspect a significant portion of that to be for extensions moreso than additions.

I'll be happy to be proven wrong, but I simply assume this is just the latest excuse floated by ownership as to why they can't spend money. There have been like a half dozen different excuses over the last 3-4 years, but the constant has been decreasing payroll relative to the rest of the league...

So unless the Cards are in a uniquely poor financial position among all 30 clubs, then it's literally just a bunch of excuses. The fact that their relative payroll size continues to drop is what gives the game away.

They can say it, or spin it however they want- but it seems like the fans aren't buying what they are selling anymore.

And who can blame them (the fans)? They see ownership in comparable-sized markets with worse TV deals (think San Diego) actually trying. Cardinals fans are loyal but they're not idiots.

Or maybe the vast amount of past successes have produced some spoiled fans.

Did you catch the part where I pointed out their payroll is shrinking relative to the rest of the league? That means only the Cardinals apparently are having all these financial troubles. The rest of the league keeps increasing their payrolls like normal, and like the Cardinals did until the pandemic.

If that's true they definitely need to sell since they don't have the basic wherewithal to run the most lucrative, money-printing business investment on earth.

[Cranny]

After the new labor agreement is reached, I do expect payroll to go up. I suspect a significant portion of that to be for extensions moreso than additions.

I'll be happy to be proven wrong, but I simply assume this is just the latest excuse floated by ownership as to why they can't spend money. There have been like a half dozen different excuses over the last 3-4 years, but the constant has been decreasing payroll relative to the rest of the league...

So unless the Cards are in a uniquely poor financial position among all 30 clubs, then it's literally just a bunch of excuses. The fact that their relative payroll size continues to drop is what gives the game away.

They can say it, or spin it however they want- but it seems like the fans aren't buying what they are selling anymore.

And who can blame them (the fans)? They see ownership in comparable-sized markets with worse TV deals (think San Diego) actually trying. Cardinals fans are loyal but they're not idiots.

Or maybe the vast amount of past successes have produced some spoiled fans.

I don't know how anyone could look at the rows and rows of empty seats and think, "Yes, it's the FANS who are wrong."

You know, rat, there are lots of reasons why the attendance is down. Not just your reason.

[desertrat23]

After the new labor agreement is reached, I do expect payroll to go up. I suspect a significant portion of that to be for extensions moreso than additions.

I'll be happy to be proven wrong, but I simply assume this is just the latest excuse floated by ownership as to why they can't spend money. There have been like a half dozen different excuses over the last 3-4 years, but the constant has been decreasing payroll relative to the rest of the league...

So unless the Cards are in a uniquely poor financial position among all 30 clubs, then it's literally just a bunch of excuses. The fact that their relative payroll size continues to drop is what gives the game away.

They can say it, or spin it however they want- but it seems like the fans aren't buying what they are selling anymore.

And who can blame them (the fans)? They see ownership in comparable-sized markets with worse TV deals (think San Diego) actually trying. Cardinals fans are loyal but they're not idiots.

Or maybe the vast amount of past successes have produced some spoiled fans.

I don't know how anyone could look at the rows and rows of empty seats and think, "Yes, it's the FANS who are wrong."

You know, rat, there are lots of reasons why the attendance is down. Not just your reason.

Right. But the investment and effort toward the roster is a controllable reason.