Where is our Tage Thompson?

[Stlcardsblues]

Probably shouldn't jump in.

But this weed guy is right. We pulled nothing from our top cup players.

I can't think of any trade were we gave little and gained so much. But everyone of our top player were about given away.


Didn't name the Blais trade because posters are judging trades by what happened with a pick, instead of just the pick. So,
The second we traded with Blais. Turn into Andrew Copp. Who scored 18pts in 16 games and a vital part of the rangers division finals playoff run with another 16pts. And a 6'7 center Dylan Roobroeck with high potential, who hits, fights, passes, thinks, he led hartford in goals last year his first there. So while I haven't looked up every trade or the trade line of every pick we traded. I. guessing that Bunch/Blaise trade might be a loss when all said and done. At least the way some are being judged. Odd way to judge a trade.

Side note. it's crazy how much some of you will fight, call names, and be kinda vile, to prove Army's the greatest at every aspect of the game of hockey. It's not that serious.

How are you determining the Blues "pulled nothing from our top cup players"

Detroit acquires Husso for '22 3rd round pick (Kaskimaki)
NYR acquire Mikkola/Tarasenko '24 3rd rnd (Jecho), '23 1st rnd pick (Lindstein)
Sammy Blais, 2nd rnd pick to NYR = Buchnevich
TOR acquires Noel Acciari for '23 1st rnd pick (Stenberg); '24 2nd (Lukas Fischer), Gaudette, Abramov
LV acquires Barbie for Dean
Montreal acquires Jake Allen/'22 7th for '20 3rd rnd pick (Dylan Peterson) '20 7th rnd pick (Noah Beck)

The Blues won a cup, covid pretty much costs the Blues a run at at least one more title. Aging players are cashed in for picks, a couple down years and the franchise has regained traction with great young players. Not sure what there to complain about

These guys don’t comprehend development time. Dean should be a Top 6 center already as good as Thompson even though he’s 22. Stenberg and Lindstein are worth nothing even though they’re just 20. It’s not even worth the conversation.

Yep, moronic if they are sincere but that's probably not the case just moving their lips to hear themselves talk and stir it up.

One more point to ponder…
If we end up not getting any prospect with NHL value in letting all of our star cup players walk—then why did we let them go?

Wasn’t that the whole point of it?

And you continue deflecting and spinning when I respond to your questions. Back to my question, how do you compare trades when the player you wanted to use as your benchmark of success has a seven year head start? How do you know what the players we received will be after they have been professionals for seven years?

As I have said numerous times to the many Army moms out there...
The final chapter regarding our prospects has not been written yet. One or more of our prospects may turn into something (like Tage Thompson) in 1-5 years, etc. While this is true, it is also very true that the LONGER IT TAKES FOR A PROSPECT to make the NHL, the LESS IMPACT they will eventually bring. It is also very true, that none of them sound like a sure bet thus far.

However, AT THE CURRENT TIME, we have no NHL-level help in return for ALL OF THE STAR PLAYERS THAT LEFT from the 2019 Cup Team. We received JACK SQUAT thus far.

Let's see what young prospect Florida gets for Sam Bennett. Let's see how long it takes for that young prospect to appear the NHL.

I wish someone paid to do research could compare the value returned from the re-whatevers that have taken place over the last 10 years in the NHL. IMO, Army's re-whatever is looking like a disaster. Army blew a gasket last February and threatened another sell-off if things didn't improve. In other words, we were one loose Sunquvist tooth from initiating RE-WHATEVER 2, the sequel.

Sam Bennett is a UFA. If he leaves Florida ain’t getting squat

Facts don’t matter to SGG, just what they can spin into a gripe into slamming the Blues and Armstrong. SGG’s only purpose for being here is to troll for clicks and responses. They have no intention of bringing any real hockey relevant conversation.

When you send a question their way, they deflect and spin into something different than you ask as SGG knows the correct answers will contradict the angles they want to post for clicks and replies.

SGG still won’t answer directly two questions I sent them.
1. How would SGG structure it to get a top five pick.
2. How can you compare a players career to prospects to prospects when the player being used as the bench mark had a seven year head start. Instead the latest response was spun into they may or may not reach it where yesterday SGG was saying none of them could reach Thompson production and our trades were all busts.

I have been extremely critical of Mo on the Cardinals board since 2014. There is a way to be critical of a front office while not turning it into trolling where there can be real debate on both sides or you can take SGGs route of doing it for no reason other than clicks,

Armstrong time here has been extremely successful. That’s not to say in that time there have not been glaring mistakes. The mistakes are far outweighed by the good and trading Thompson was not one of the mistakes.

The mistakes I see include
1. Trading for Faulk
2. The handling of Petro’s situation (Krug can be included here).
3. Not getting more for Barbachev

We can nitpick other things but these three things are the biggest misses.

[a smell of green grass]

Why is it that when you ask...
"What did Army receive in exchange for the Blues that won the Cup in 2019 and then left the team?"

You will get replies about...
- Buffalo's record since 2019
- What Tage Thompson was doing in 1993
- How Robert Thomas is better than Tage Thompson
- How Tage Thompson was not a TOP5 pick

I must be trying to converse with some babbling fools. How do they drive to the games successfully

[DawgDad]

Why is it that when you ask...
"What did Army receive in exchange for the Blues that won the Cup in 2019 and then left the team?"

You will get replies about...
- Buffalo's record since 2019
- What Tage Thompson was doing in 1993
- How Robert Thomas is better than Tage Thompson
- How Tage Thompson was not a TOP5 pick

I must be trying to converse with some babbling fools. How do they drive to the games successfully

EXACTLY what he asked for: Picks and prospects.

Ponder that.

I already answered this for you a few posts back.

[a smell of green grass]

The mistakes I see include
1. Trading for Faulk
2. The handling of Petro’s situation (Krug can be included here).
3. Not getting more for Barbachev

We can nitpick other things but these three things are the biggest misses.

1. Winning meaningless late regular-season games prior to the 2023 draft by picking up veteran NHL players hungry to stay in the league--just to "stay competitive". This is especially true if Dalibor Dvorsky does not become a high-impact player.

[a smell of green grass]

Why is it that when you ask...
"What did Army receive in exchange for the Blues that won the Cup in 2019 and then left the team?"

You will get replies about...
- Buffalo's record since 2019
- What Tage Thompson was doing in 1993
- How Robert Thomas is better than Tage Thompson
- How Tage Thompson was not a TOP5 pick

I must be trying to converse with some babbling fools. How do they drive to the games successfully

EXACTLY what he asked for: Picks and prospects.

Ponder that.

I already answered this for you a few posts back.

Here is the problem. I see it clearly now.

DawgDad is just happy that Army got picks and prospects for our 2019 star players. That is all that Army had to accomplish to be successful in trades. It does not matter what those picks and prospects ever amount to.

Most GMs are expected to put star players on the NHL ice. DawgDad is 1000% happy if the GM puts prospects in Springfield.

[DawgDad]

Why is it that when you ask...
"What did Army receive in exchange for the Blues that won the Cup in 2019 and then left the team?"

You will get replies about...
- Buffalo's record since 2019
- What Tage Thompson was doing in 1993
- How Robert Thomas is better than Tage Thompson
- How Tage Thompson was not a TOP5 pick

I must be trying to converse with some babbling fools. How do they drive to the games successfully

EXACTLY what he asked for: Picks and prospects.

Ponder that.

I already answered this for you a few posts back.

Here is the problem. I see it clearly now.

DawgDad is just happy that Army got picks and prospects for our 2019 star players. That is all that Army had to accomplish to be successful in trades. It does not matter what those picks and prospects ever amount to.

Most GMs are expected to put star players on the NHL ice. DawgDad is 1000% happy if the GM puts prospects in Springfield.

Sure it matters, moving forward, what the picks and prospects amount to. Don't try to speak for me. I believe whatever they amount to in the NHL remains a matter of speculation, unless I'm overlooking someone.

Pending free agents TYPICALLY are traded for picks and prospects when traded in-season. Sometimes there are "hockey trades" for other players, but teams looking to pick up veteran help (expiring contracts) typically don't pull a Carolina, they are clinging to their core players. Losing teams typically do not want to trade star players for veterans on expiring contracts.

Why am I explaining this to you? So others can recognize how abjectly absurd your post was.

Your concluding sentence is absurd nonsense.

[somni]

Probably shouldn't jump in.

But this weed guy is right. We pulled nothing from our top cup players.

I can't think of any trade were we gave little and gained so much. But everyone of our top player were about given away.


Didn't name the Blais trade because posters are judging trades by what happened with a pick, instead of just the pick. So,
The second we traded with Blais. Turn into Andrew Copp. Who scored 18pts in 16 games and a vital part of the rangers division finals playoff run with another 16pts. And a 6'7 center Dylan Roobroeck with high potential, who hits, fights, passes, thinks, he led hartford in goals last year his first there. So while I haven't looked up every trade or the trade line of every pick we traded. I. guessing that Bunch/Blaise trade might be a loss when all said and done. At least the way some are being judged. Odd way to judge a trade.

Side note. it's crazy how much some of you will fight, call names, and be kinda vile, to prove Army's the greatest at every aspect of the game of hockey. It's not that serious.

How are you determining the Blues "pulled nothing from our top cup players"

Detroit acquires Husso for '22 3rd round pick (Kaskimaki)
NYR acquire Mikkola/Tarasenko '24 3rd rnd (Jecho), '23 1st rnd pick (Lindstein)
Sammy Blais, 2nd rnd pick to NYR = Buchnevich
TOR acquires Noel Acciari for '23 1st rnd pick (Stenberg); '24 2nd (Lukas Fischer), Gaudette, Abramov
LV acquires Barbie for Dean
Montreal acquires Jake Allen/'22 7th for '20 3rd rnd pick (Dylan Peterson) '20 7th rnd pick (Noah Beck)

The Blues won a cup, covid pretty much costs the Blues a run at at least one more title. Aging players are cashed in for picks, a couple down years and the franchise has regained traction with great young players. Not sure what there to complain about

These guys don’t comprehend development time. Dean should be a Top 6 center already as good as Thompson even though he’s 22. Stenberg and Lindstein are worth nothing even though they’re just 20. It’s not even worth the conversation.

Yep, moronic if they are sincere but that's probably not the case just moving their lips to hear themselves talk and stir it up.

One more point to ponder…
If we end up not getting any prospect with NHL value in letting all of our star cup players walk—then why did we let them go?

Wasn’t that the whole point of it?

And you continue deflecting and spinning when I respond to your questions. Back to my question, how do you compare trades when the player you wanted to use as your benchmark of success has a seven year head start? How do you know what the players we received will be after they have been professionals for seven years?

As I have said numerous times to the many Army moms out there...
The final chapter regarding our prospects has not been written yet. One or more of our prospects may turn into something (like Tage Thompson) in 1-5 years, etc. While this is true, it is also very true that the LONGER IT TAKES FOR A PROSPECT to make the NHL, the LESS IMPACT they will eventually bring. It is also very true, that none of them sound like a sure bet thus far.

However, AT THE CURRENT TIME, we have no NHL-level help in return for ALL OF THE STAR PLAYERS THAT LEFT from the 2019 Cup Team. We received JACK SQUAT thus far.

Let's see what young prospect Florida gets for Sam Bennett. Let's see how long it takes for that young prospect to appear the NHL.

I wish someone paid to do research could compare the value returned from the re-whatevers that have taken place over the last 10 years in the NHL. IMO, Army's re-whatever is looking like a disaster. Army blew a gasket last February and threatened another sell-off if things didn't improve. In other words, we were one loose Sunquvist tooth from initiating RE-WHATEVER 2, the sequel.

Sam Bennett is a UFA. If he leaves Florida ain’t getting squat

That would actually BE the definition of squat.