What did you think of Kade Anderson.

[Cardinals4Life]

Dude, they were competing for a CWS Title. It's not abuse at all. Pitch count is simply a number. Not all pitches are created equal. The game has gotten completely soft anymore with usage, hence a partial reason for so many more arm injuries. (The max effort, high spin is another major factor.) I'm certain the kid was consulted. He will have a long break before he has to pitch again. He'll be fine!

I agree with AOF here. Why do you think a 19-21 yr old and a collegiate coaching staff are more responsible than major league teams and their team of specialists?

To be successful, pitchers HAVE to have max effort, high spin, etc, and one way to mitigate that is with pitch count limits. That's why they exist.

Completely disagree Pads.

Pitchers do not have to have max effort to be successful. That has become the norm lately and guys have lost the art of pitching. Doesn't mean it doesn't work anymore. They've simply abandoned this philosophy, as the $$ has been for the high velo/high K guys. (Also, teams now draft "stuff" more than "players" anymore.)

Also, arent college guys getting NIL money now? (So even less of a reason to "feel sorry" for these guys.)

There is so much money in the MLB now that teams have "babied" pitchers in hopes of protecting their monetary investments. Doesn't mean that that is the best way to develop arm. There are a lot of old school baseball pitching coaches/managers that still believe that pitching more creates a stronger arm that is less susceptible to injury.

The college season is much shorter than the MLB season too. 135 pitches in the CWS isn’t that big if a deal.

Side Note: HS pitching limit is now 105 in Missouri per game for juniors/seniors. That's way more than an MLB guy rarely goes anymore.

[An Old Friend]

Good morning.

Several publications got him going to Cards. Lefty. Four pitches. Nine strong innings. FB at 95 in the end.

Thoughts.

Can’t comment because have never seen him pitch.

You didn’t watch CWS last night game one.

I don’t like how the coach puts team above player.

And I’ll be honest… I don’t love Kade Anderson. I feel badly that his coach goes against any responsible level of usage for a 20 year old for his own personal gain. I don’t think any major league hurler has touched 130 pitches in a game this season and he’s done it twice. He’s thrown 100 or more pitches I think 11 times this year.

Tarik Skubal has thrown 100 pitches once this season.

quinn matthews did the same in college

His was worse.

you know those kids play for him by choice

Changes nothing. You’re ok with college coaches abusing pitchers. Why?

Dude, they were competing for a CWS Title. It's not abuse at all. Pitch count is simply a number. Not all pitches are created equal. The game has gotten completely soft anymore with usage, hence a partial reason for so many more arm injuries. (The max effort, high spin is another major factor.) I'm certain the kid was consulted. He will have a long break before he has to pitch again. He'll be fine!

He didn’t need to throw 135 pitches on a cold night in April. Defending that is ridiculous.

[Jatalk]

Ok I’ll start a petition here in Baton Rouge to fire Jay Johnson. Never mind the fact he has won two nattys with ace pitchers that have gone uninjured. He is an abuser and must be held accountable. Never mind the team maintains over a 3 point gpa. They also earned a perfect score in academic progress report. He stresses winning to pad his salary which by the way is 5th in college ranks. He must be held accountable. THE WOKE HAVE SPOKEN.

[PadsFS07]

I don’t disagree with the premise as pitching injuries seem to only climb, but I think it’s weird that you all think it’s ridiculous to question an NCAA coach doing something that a higher-level league, that spends billions on pitchers each year, almost universally doesn’t do.

It definitely borders on being exploitative from that perspective. It’s the plot-line of practically every evil character in sports films.

[An Old Friend]

I don’t disagree with the premise as pitching injuries seem to only climb, but I think it’s weird that you all think it’s ridiculous to question an NCAA coach doing something that a higher-level league, that spends billions on pitchers each year, almost universally doesn’t do.

It definitely borders on being exploitative from that perspective. It’s the plot-line of practically every evil character in sports films.

Exactly.

[Cardinals4Life]

I don’t disagree with the premise as pitching injuries seem to only climb, but I think it’s weird that you all think it’s ridiculous to question an NCAA coach doing something that a higher-level league, that spends billions on pitchers each year, almost universally doesn’t do.

It definitely borders on being exploitative from that perspective. It’s the plot-line of practically every evil character in sports films.

Whatever happened to being a team player? And doing what is asked of you? He signed up to be on the TEAM. To much of "me" in team sports. Putting the team first is what makes sports great! Not players being selfish and worrying about "their" careers. The guy helped his team win the CWS! Certainly a highlight of his career and likely will be even when he is past his playing days. A young, strong man throwing 135 pitches is a nothing-burger.

[An Old Friend]

I don’t disagree with the premise as pitching injuries seem to only climb, but I think it’s weird that you all think it’s ridiculous to question an NCAA coach doing something that a higher-level league, that spends billions on pitchers each year, almost universally doesn’t do.

It definitely borders on being exploitative from that perspective. It’s the plot-line of practically every evil character in sports films.

Whatever happened to being a team player? And doing what is asked of you? He signed up to be on the TEAM. To much of "me" in team sports. Putting the team first is what makes sports great! Not players being selfish and worrying about "their" careers. The guy helped his team win the CWS! Certainly a highlight of his career and likely will be even when he is past his playing days. A young, strong man throwing 135 pitches is a nothing-burger.

Why do you ignore the fact that he's already had Tommy John surgery?

[Cardinals4Life]

I don’t disagree with the premise as pitching injuries seem to only climb, but I think it’s weird that you all think it’s ridiculous to question an NCAA coach doing something that a higher-level league, that spends billions on pitchers each year, almost universally doesn’t do.

It definitely borders on being exploitative from that perspective. It’s the plot-line of practically every evil character in sports films.

Whatever happened to being a team player? And doing what is asked of you? He signed up to be on the TEAM. To much of "me" in team sports. Putting the team first is what makes sports great! Not players being selfish and worrying about "their" careers. The guy helped his team win the CWS! Certainly a highlight of his career and likely will be even when he is past his playing days. A young, strong man throwing 135 pitches is a nothing-burger.

Why do you ignore the fact that he's already had Tommy John surgery?

So what? He had an arm injury and has been surgically repaired in the past. The guy is part of the college team and was trying to win the entire thing. They did! He should be proud and I bet his coaches and teammates are proud of him as well. That's what sports are about! Sad when we've reached a point where players put their own self-interests over those of the team and that is now the "norm". Makes me like this kid even more. A real dawg! That's what winners are made of!!

[Cardinals4Life]

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