Winn jogging: "following orders". Marmol incompetent.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Ted Simmons was one of my favorite Cardinal players played a demanding position on astroturf and didn't run out every ball either and I know why.

It's a long season and the dog days are just starting. Donovan if folks didn't notice "trotted" down the line too as did others.

Some common sense please.

I don’t see it as preventing a heat injury. One sprint won’t trigger that. I’m more concerned in that heat with muscle pulls, and sudden sprint will do that.

[CorneliusWolfe]

Ted Simmons was one of my favorite Cardinal players played a demanding position on astroturf and didn't run out every ball either and I know why.

It's a long season and the dog days are just starting. Donovan if folks didn't notice "trotted" down the line too as did others.

Some common sense please.

Donovan is wearing a medical appliance on his toe, doesn’t have Winn’s speed as a key aspect of his game and his ball had no chance.

[Voldemort]

Ted Simmons was one of my favorite Cardinal players played a demanding position on astroturf and didn't run out every ball either and I know why.

It's a long season and the dog days are just starting. Donovan if folks didn't notice "trotted" down the line too as did others.

Some common sense please.

I don’t see it as preventing a heat injury. One sprint won’t trigger that. I’m more concerned in that heat with muscle pulls, and sudden sprint will do that.

If it were simply one sprint, then you are correct. The problem is that sprint is a part of a 9-inning game in the heat and includes multiple other 9 inning games in a row.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Ted Simmons was one of my favorite Cardinal players played a demanding position on astroturf and didn't run out every ball either and I know why.

It's a long season and the dog days are just starting. Donovan if folks didn't notice "trotted" down the line too as did others.

Some common sense please.

I don’t see it as preventing a heat injury. One sprint won’t trigger that. I’m more concerned in that heat with muscle pulls, and sudden sprint will do that.

If it were simply one sprint, then you are correct. The problem is that sprint is a part of a 9-inning game in the heat and includes multiple other 9 inning games in a row.

I hear ya. I’m thinking no matter how hot he was, being in the dugout and off the field, was rest enough. I don’t think he personally at that moment is in distress.

But like you stated, after all nnings of work, and past games, a muscle is susceptible. I agree. That’s my premise in this situation. Muscle pull due to prolonged physical activity at high temperatures.

[riff raff]

This entire thread is based on false premises. In the pregame they mentioned that the team is managing his back issues.
Perhaps the OP should keep his unicorn doll a little closer to the base.

[musicman]

So,If Winn does go down,who takes his place? it's true the cardinals need him more so than other players right now,I don't blame this approach at all.

[JohnnyMO]

Wouldn’t be sad to see Oli go, but this thread is silly. Telling players battling back issues to use common sense and ease up on certain plays like that makes total sense.

[Clubmaker2]

And this somehow doesnt apply to the paper Tyler who had been taught a new way to run to avoid injury..... this just makes them all look like idiots...

if you cant get to first base 5 times in three hours at a decent rate of speed, how on earth are you even staying in condition? Conditioning takes more work than that. Does this guy have a history of hamstring problems, I dont think he does. And then, if you just get so tight you cant run to first base, wont you pull it when you have to make that quick play on defense? I bet you can make a study and argument that doing nothing for most of the game and loafing and getting stiff, sets up a non contact injury later.

[mattmitchl44]

Probably not the worst idea in the world.

If Winn pulls something and injures himself on a meaningless run to 1B when he's going to be thrown out anyway, the falloff for this team to whomever would have to replace him while he's on the IL may be huge. SS is probably the position at which this team can least afford to sustain an injury.

[Lightning Rod]

Ted Simmons was one of my favorite Cardinal players played a demanding position on astroturf and didn't run out every ball either and I know why.

It's a long season and the dog days are just starting. Donovan if folks didn't notice "trotted" down the line too as did others.

Some common sense please.

I hate it when I have to run hard 90 feet 3 or 4 times a day, it's so hard. Big leaguers aren't paid enough to do that.

[11WSChamps]

Ted Simmons was one of my favorite Cardinal players played a demanding position on astroturf and didn't run out every ball either and I know why.

It's a long season and the dog days are just starting. Donovan if folks didn't notice "trotted" down the line too as did others.

Some common sense please.

I don’t see it as preventing a heat injury. One sprint won’t trigger that. I’m more concerned in that heat with muscle pulls, and sudden sprint will do that.

Not talking about a heat injury.

Rather managing health through a six month season while playing a demanding position.

Like with Simmons the team has no viable replacement for him.

[11WSChamps]

Ted Simmons was one of my favorite Cardinal players played a demanding position on astroturf and didn't run out every ball either and I know why.

It's a long season and the dog days are just starting. Donovan if folks didn't notice "trotted" down the line too as did others.

Some common sense please.

I hate it when I have to run hard 90 feet 3 or 4 times a day, it's so hard. Big leaguers aren't paid enough to do that.

It's no surprise you miss the point completely.

Coach my (donkey). You never coached a day in your life.

[Wattage]

This entire thread is based on false premises. In the pregame they mentioned that the team is managing his back issues.
Perhaps the OP should keep his unicorn doll a little closer to the base.

If they are managing his back issues then he shouldnt be starting so many games to the fact they have to tell him not to speint and should have had saggese up taking some more starts

[Lightning Rod]

Ted Simmons was one of my favorite Cardinal players played a demanding position on astroturf and didn't run out every ball either and I know why.

It's a long season and the dog days are just starting. Donovan if folks didn't notice "trotted" down the line too as did others.

Some common sense please.

I hate it when I have to run hard 90 feet 3 or 4 times a day, it's so hard. Big leaguers aren't paid enough to do that.

It's no surprise you miss the point completely.

Coach my (donkey). You never coached a day in your life.

You are an angry old man who thinks his opinion is the only one that counts. BTW, did you see the bunt in the 11th? Barerro didn't get picked off after the
batter didn't bunt on the first pitch, then easily went to third on the next bunted pitch without a play. That's the way it's supposed to work. Have a nice day and tell those kids to get off your lawn.

[Ike Hammett]

During the broadcast yesterday, all 3 members of the broadcast team discussed and supported Winn jogging lazily to 1B during the prior game - something he has done repeatedly.
They quoted The Marmot as claiming Winn was merely following the orders of the coaching staff, essentially saying the staff wants him to jog to 1B (and take other plays off as well) because they rely on him so heavily.
According to the reporting, because he plays so many innings, because the season is long, because it is hot, because they want him to protect his lower body, he has been told to save his energy, and to "save his bullets" for when needed.
Two points.
It is disgusting that the broadcasters know full well this is complete nonsense and that Winn has been given no such instruction - and not only reported it but defended it as being smart and necessary.
Flat out telling the audience something they did not believe; something antithetical to how the game should be played.
Zero integrity.
Two, neither Marmol nor the staff have told Winn any such thing.
It is obvious The Marmot anticipated the question and rather than telling the truth ("Winn's lack of effort was not acceptable and we have talked about that"), he had devised a long, detailed, nonsensical story designed to protect his player from criticism.
Just the latest in an unending list of examples as to why the man should be fired.

https://youtu.be/nZzSoaAGuow?si=xp7CLSBVtazJn61f

[riff raff]

This entire thread is based on false premises. In the pregame they mentioned that the team is managing his back issues.
Perhaps the OP should keep his unicorn doll a little closer to the base.

If they are managing his back issues then he shouldnt be starting so many games to the fact they have to tell him not to speint and should have had saggese up taking some more starts

Idk, maybe his back has been good until recently. Sags isn't really a SS but I get your point.
I would have Fermin up here instead of Barrero for SS insurance. Not sure why they don't.

You type like Chip talks Be careful