seattleblue wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025 13:47 pm
I will probably put mine out Wednesday ish.
My top 5 is
1 Matthew Schaefer, D
2 Michael Misa, C
3 Caleb Desnoyers, C
4 Anton Frondell, C
5 Brady Martin, C
Looking forward to it. That’s a good top 5.
I had a hard time evaluating Frondell. I find him really hard to read. On one hand, he put up perhaps the best U18 season in the Allsvenskan ever with 25 pts in 29 games. The only U18 player with more was William Nylander with 27 pts but it took him 35 games to do it. Pasta had 24 in 36. Those were the only 2 that were in the same ballpark. Side note: Dvorsky is 9th all time with 14 pts in 38 games.
But then I watch him play and I’m always left wanting more. He puts up points but I question his play a bit and he was a ghost at the U18s. But injured perhaps? Exhausted from a long season? Idk. He’s a hard read for me.
seattleblue wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025 13:47 pm
I will probably put mine out Wednesday ish.
My top 5 is
1 Matthew Schaefer, D
2 Michael Misa, C
3 Caleb Desnoyers, C
4 Anton Frondell, C
5 Brady Martin, C
Looking forward to it. That’s a good top 5.
I had a hard time evaluating Frondell. I find him really hard to read. On one hand, he put up perhaps the best U18 season in the Allsvenskan ever with 25 pts in 29 games. The only U18 player with more was William Nylander with 27 pts but it took him 35 games to do it. Pasta had 24 in 36. Those were the only 2 that were in the same ballpark. Side note: Dvorsky is 9th all time with 14 pts in 38 games.
But then I watch him play and I’m always left wanting more. He puts up points but I question his play a bit and he was a ghost at the U18s. But injured perhaps? Exhausted from a long season? Idk. He’s a hard read for me.
I may stop my list shorter than yours at 27 players. It's difficult to enthusiastically thought exercise "who do I pick if these 28 players are off the board" compared with where the Blues are picking. Once it gets past a certain ledge I am more shruggy about the possible picks since they all have assets and compromises.
Frondell is a beast among men and kinda meh among peers. I trust the beast among men part. Between him and Hagens I see more future playoff warriorship from Frondell.
seattleblue wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025 13:47 pm
I will probably put mine out Wednesday ish.
My top 5 is
1 Matthew Schaefer, D
2 Michael Misa, C
3 Caleb Desnoyers, C
4 Anton Frondell, C
5 Brady Martin, C
Looking forward to it. That’s a good top 5.
I had a hard time evaluating Frondell. I find him really hard to read. On one hand, he put up perhaps the best U18 season in the Allsvenskan ever with 25 pts in 29 games. The only U18 player with more was William Nylander with 27 pts but it took him 35 games to do it. Pasta had 24 in 36. Those were the only 2 that were in the same ballpark. Side note: Dvorsky is 9th all time with 14 pts in 38 games.
But then I watch him play and I’m always left wanting more. He puts up points but I question his play a bit and he was a ghost at the U18s. But injured perhaps? Exhausted from a long season? Idk. He’s a hard read for me.
I may stop my list shorter than yours at 27 players. It's difficult to enthusiastically thought exercise "who do I pick if these 28 players are off the board" compared with where the Blues are picking. Once it gets past a certain ledge I am more shruggy about the possible picks since they all have assets and compromises.
Frondell is a beast among men and kinda meh among peers. I trust the beast among men part. Between him and Hagens I see more future playoff warriorship from Frondell.
That’s a fair assessment on Frondell. I’ve bounced him around from 3rd to 6/7th all season. I like those top 8 or so quite a bit. And while I believe in Hagens’ skill and smarts, it’s fair to question how effective he’ll truly be at 5’10.5”. I also don’t see absolute fire in his eyes sometimes either.
But eventually, I went from highly scouting those 8-10 players to basically ignoring them once the Blues went on a winning streak and they weren’t options for us anymore. So I didn’t really do a deep dive to really differentiate my opinions of some of those guys at the very top.
seattleblue wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025 13:47 pm
I will probably put mine out Wednesday ish.
My top 5 is
1 Matthew Schaefer, D
2 Michael Misa, C
3 Caleb Desnoyers, C
4 Anton Frondell, C
5 Brady Martin, C
Looking forward to it. That’s a good top 5.
I had a hard time evaluating Frondell. I find him really hard to read. On one hand, he put up perhaps the best U18 season in the Allsvenskan ever with 25 pts in 29 games. The only U18 player with more was William Nylander with 27 pts but it took him 35 games to do it. Pasta had 24 in 36. Those were the only 2 that were in the same ballpark. Side note: Dvorsky is 9th all time with 14 pts in 38 games.
But then I watch him play and I’m always left wanting more. He puts up points but I question his play a bit and he was a ghost at the U18s. But injured perhaps? Exhausted from a long season? Idk. He’s a hard read for me.
I may stop my list shorter than yours at 27 players. It's difficult to enthusiastically thought exercise "who do I pick if these 28 players are off the board" compared with where the Blues are picking. Once it gets past a certain ledge I am more shruggy about the possible picks since they all have assets and compromises.
Frondell is a beast among men and kinda meh among peers. I trust the beast among men part. Between him and Hagens I see more future playoff warriorship from Frondell.
That’s a fair assessment on Frondell. I’ve bounced him around from 3rd to 6/7th all season. I like those top 8 or so quite a bit. And while I believe in Hagens’ skill and smarts, it’s fair to question how effective he’ll truly be at 5’10.5”. I also don’t see absolute fire in his eyes sometimes either.
But eventually, I went from highly scouting those 8-10 players to basically ignoring them once the Blues went on a winning streak and they weren’t options for us anymore. So I didn’t really do a deep dive to really differentiate my opinions of some of those guys at the very top.
Similar shift here but I was early influenced on Frondell before all that happened. Grant McCagg raving about him (raved about Dvorsky and raved about Sennecke and called that shot 3d overall last year) and breaking down his play in detail really helped me understand Frondell's upside.
Here is a clip from before the WJC of him talking about Frondell.
Go to 38:40 for the beginning of the Frondell breakdown with highlights. "Every box gets checked off with this kid"
Also If anyone hates the Sharks then the clip at 12:40 or so where Sharks prospects get embarrassed on the same play (Haltunen is completely ridden off the play leading to a turnover then Sennecke dazzles Dickinson one on one before scoring) is worth the clip.
I still think the Islanders and Sharks are going to work something out since Schaefer and Misa are closely ranked.
NY needs a center.
San Jose really needs to get some d-men drafted high to go with Dickinson. They're already plush with centers.
Grier is sitting in the catbirds seat regardless.
He'll end up with Schaefer & Dickinson at LHD or
Celebrini
Misa
Smith
Bystedt
as his centers.
Does a rookie GM have the balls not to draft the highest rated player?
If Grier throws Darche one of his 4th round picks is that enough to come to agreement of whom to pick?
Maybe the Sharks have Misa rated higher and realize that his position is premium and are just going to sit back and watch.
TheHighHat wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025 06:01 am
Thank you for your rankings.
I still think the Islanders and Sharks are going to work something out since Schaefer and Misa are closely ranked.
NY needs a center.
San Jose really needs to get some d-men drafted high to go with Dickinson. They're already plush with centers.
Grier is sitting in the catbirds seat regardless.
He'll end up with Schaefer & Dickinson at LHD or
Celebrini
Misa
Smith
Bystedt
as his centers.
Does a rookie GM have the balls not to draft the highest rated player?
If Grier throws Darche one of his 4th round picks is that enough to come to agreement of whom to pick?
Maybe the Sharks have Misa rated higher and realize that his position is premium and are just going to sit back and watch.
They aren't going to make any kind of deal.
IF the Isle's want Misa, they'll just take Misa.
There's not even a reason to "justify" the pick given how closely they're ranked. And if they do feel a reason to, it's not like Schaefer doesn't have some injury concerns.
If it came to it stl fan in MN, how far would you trade up for bear or reschney? I know thats a vague question because of price but i believe you gave a realistic grasp on what im asking. Thanks in advance
TheHighHat wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025 06:01 am
Thank you for your rankings.
I still think the Islanders and Sharks are going to work something out since Schaefer and Misa are closely ranked.
NY needs a center.
San Jose really needs to get some d-men drafted high to go with Dickinson. They're already plush with centers.
Grier is sitting in the catbirds seat regardless.
He'll end up with Schaefer & Dickinson at LHD or
Celebrini
Misa
Smith
Bystedt
as his centers.
Does a rookie GM have the balls not to draft the highest rated player?
If Grier throws Darche one of his 4th round picks is that enough to come to agreement of whom to pick?
Maybe the Sharks have Misa rated higher and realize that his position is premium and are just going to sit back and watch.
They aren't going to make any kind of deal.
IF the Isle's want Misa, they'll just take Misa.
There's not even a reason to "justify" the pick given how closely they're ranked. And if they do feel a reason to, it's not like Schaefer doesn't have some injury concerns.
I suppose my post was poorly worded.
Obviously it would be Grier initiating the talk because he really needs a d-man and is sitting at #2
But as I mentioned, he might not care and just take the guy that NY passes on.
Younghopp1991 wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025 08:31 am
If it came to it stl fan in MN, how far would you trade up for bear or reschney? I know thats a vague question because of price but i believe you gave a realistic grasp on what im asking. Thanks in advance
If either is still there around 15 I’m making calls. That said, the Blues don’t have the traditional assets that’d usually be included to move up as they’re missing both their 2nd and 3rd (which were very well spent so no complaints there) so they’d have to include a player or prospect and it’d have to be one a team around pick 15 would want.
In the end, I find it unlikely the Blues would be able to move up if they wanted to but you never know.
Younghopp1991 wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025 08:31 am
If it came to it stl fan in MN, how far would you trade up for bear or reschney? I know thats a vague question because of price but i believe you gave a realistic grasp on what im asking. Thanks in advance
If either is still there around 15 I’m making calls. That said, the Blues don’t have the traditional assets that’d usually be included to move up as they’re missing both their 2nd and 3rd (which were very well spent so no complaints there) so they’d have to include a player or prospect and it’d have to be one a team around pick 15 would want.
In the end, I find it unlikely the Blues would be able to move up if they wanted to but you never know.
Penguins with back to back picks at 11 and 12….i can see them using one of those pics on Reschny.
Younghopp1991 wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025 08:31 am
If it came to it stl fan in MN, how far would you trade up for bear or reschney? I know thats a vague question because of price but i believe you gave a realistic grasp on what im asking. Thanks in advance
If either is still there around 15 I’m making calls. That said, the Blues don’t have the traditional assets that’d usually be included to move up as they’re missing both their 2nd and 3rd (which were very well spent so no complaints there) so they’d have to include a player or prospect and it’d have to be one a team around pick 15 would want.
In the end, I find it unlikely the Blues would be able to move up if they wanted to but you never know.
Penguins with back to back picks at 11 and 12….i can see them using one of those pics on Reschny.
I could see anyone from around 11-18 use a pick on Reschny unfortunately.
Pretty crazy the Pens snagged the 12th overall pick for Marcus freaking Pettersson.
Younghopp1991 wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025 08:31 am
If it came to it stl fan in MN, how far would you trade up for bear or reschney? I know thats a vague question because of price but i believe you gave a realistic grasp on what im asking. Thanks in advance
If either is still there around 15 I’m making calls. That said, the Blues don’t have the traditional assets that’d usually be included to move up as they’re missing both their 2nd and 3rd (which were very well spent so no complaints there) so they’d have to include a player or prospect and it’d have to be one a team around pick 15 would want.
In the end, I find it unlikely the Blues would be able to move up if they wanted to but you never know.
Penguins with back to back picks at 11 and 12….i can see them using one of those pics on Reschny.
I could see anyone from around 11-18 use a pick on Reschny unfortunately.
Pretty crazy the Pens snagged the 12th overall pick for Marcus freaking Pettersson.
You forgot Drew O'Connor.
Seriously, that deal was insane.
Pens got forward Danton Heinen, defenceman Vincent Desharnais, right wing prospect Melvin Fernström and a conditional 2025 first-round pick.
And then the Canucks signed Pettersson for $33M/6years. The Canucks are approaching the Edmonton "WTF are the doing" territory.
Younghopp1991 wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025 08:31 am
If it came to it stl fan in MN, how far would you trade up for bear or reschney? I know thats a vague question because of price but i believe you gave a realistic grasp on what im asking. Thanks in advance
If either is still there around 15 I’m making calls. That said, the Blues don’t have the traditional assets that’d usually be included to move up as they’re missing both their 2nd and 3rd (which were very well spent so no complaints there) so they’d have to include a player or prospect and it’d have to be one a team around pick 15 would want.
In the end, I find it unlikely the Blues would be able to move up if they wanted to but you never know.
Penguins with back to back picks at 11 and 12….i can see them using one of those pics on Reschny.
Great stuff (again) as usual stl fan from MN. I do wonder if the Penguins would be interested in moving the 12 for the 19 and a decent prospect. Reason being Dubas is trying to move things in the right direction quicker. I'm with you on Jake O'Brien (I have him 11). Would be ecstatic if we could move and get him.
Just spitballing here.
MN wonder what you think of Cameron Schmidt? I know you have him in your later rounds; do you take him for us?
I do like Alexander Zharovsky too (but yeah we'd need a 2nd rounder). Also like what I'm reading on Eddie Genborg (also a 2nd rounder). Do you have anything to report on Harry Nansi? Reading: great motor, poor team; but does shoot right (RW).
PS I have a feeling somebody will reach and grab Simon Wang early.
Goaltending: I'd gamble on Trenten Bennett; and late.
Younghopp1991 wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025 08:31 am
If it came to it stl fan in MN, how far would you trade up for bear or reschney? I know thats a vague question because of price but i believe you gave a realistic grasp on what im asking. Thanks in advance
If either is still there around 15 I’m making calls. That said, the Blues don’t have the traditional assets that’d usually be included to move up as they’re missing both their 2nd and 3rd (which were very well spent so no complaints there) so they’d have to include a player or prospect and it’d have to be one a team around pick 15 would want.
In the end, I find it unlikely the Blues would be able to move up if they wanted to but you never know.
Penguins with back to back picks at 11 and 12….i can see them using one of those pics on Reschny.
Great stuff (again) as usual stl fan from MN. I do wonder if the Penguins would be interested in moving the 12 for the 19 and a decent prospect. Reason being Dubas is trying to move things in the right direction quicker. I'm with you on Jake O'Brien (I have him 11). Would be ecstatic if we could move and get him.
Just spitballing here.
MN wonder what you think of Cameron Schmidt? I know you have him in your later rounds; do you take him for us?
I do like Alexander Zharovsky too (but yeah we'd need a 2nd rounder). Also like what I'm reading on Eddie Genborg (also a 2nd rounder). Do you have anything to report on Harry Nansi? Reading: great motor, poor team; but does shoot right (RW).
PS I have a feeling somebody will reach and grab Simon Wang early.
Goaltending: I'd gamble on Trenten Bennett; and late.
Can Schmidt is perhaps the best skater in the draft. Either him or Potter IMO. And he’s quite skilled and has a plus shot too. But he’s 5’7”. You just can’t really get around 5’7” IMO. There’s a 5% chances he’s the next Johnny Hockey, a 5% chance he’ll make it for a bit in a support role and a 90% chances he doesn’t make it IMO. But I’d take a gamble on him in the 5th-7th rounds. My guess is he goes in the 3rd, maybe 4th or 2nd but if he’s still there in the 5th tben yeah, take the shot and hope he can surprisingly grow a couple inches.
