J. Walker's defense is going south

[bccardsfan]

Don't look now but J. Walker's defense in RF, where he appeared to be showing promise, has turned south.............again.

Walker
-3 DRS
-2 OAA

Meanwhile A. Burleson's defense in RF has actually improved to league average.

Burleson
0 DRS
0 OAA

That is quite surprising. Haven’t really noticed Walker looking bad out there lately, though his appearances are more sporadic.

Meanwhile Burleson still seems to run nothing down and runs with those short choppy steps appearing in slow motion.

I wonder if Walker’s speed has put him closer to some plays that was subjectively ruled as “he could’ve made that play… -1 DRS.

Before the Burly lovers jump on me, I will acknowledge he’s played a pretty mean first base, where reaction and ability to pick is more important than range.

I agree. JW is still a pretty decent RFer from a defensive standpoint and in a tight game I want him out there not Burley. As I noted in the other thread on Burley, he is actually a decent first baseman. He could play there and not kill you. However, we have WC for that. But we seem to have this problem of poor defensive players who are not bad at the plate. Guys with no real position. Gorman, Herrera, Burley.... You can only have so many DH guys that you hide the field. Something will have to give. Someone will get traded eventually.

[Wattage]

Don't look now but J. Walker's defense in RF, where he appeared to be showing promise, has turned south.............again.

Walker
-3 DRS
-2 OAA

Meanwhile A. Burleson's defense in RF has actually improved to league average.

Burleson
0 DRS
0 OAA

That is quite surprising. Haven’t really noticed Walker looking bad out there lately, though his appearances are more sporadic.

Meanwhile Burleson still seems to run nothing down and runs with those short choppy steps appearing in slow motion.

I wonder if Walker’s speed has put him closer to some plays that was subjectively ruled as “he could’ve made that play… -1 DRS.

Before the Burly lovers jump on me, I will acknowledge he’s played a pretty mean first base, where reaction and ability to pick is more important than range.

Thats not how the defensive ratings work. They use data on ball velocity and trajectory amd the zone the ball fell in. They dont even take into account defensive shifts. So if you do an extreme defensive shift that makes a nirnally difficult play easy it will still clunt as plus 1 where if a defensive shift leaves you in a spot where you have no chance at a play that would be easily made with nornal positioning, then you get a -1 still.

So merely getting close to a play because of superior range will not get you a - rating.

Im surprised by burlesons rating but keep in mind he rated as a plus at the beginning of last year before beong a heavy negative at years end- as these ratings are not meant to be judged as conclusive in small sample sizes. Burkeson usually gets okay jumps, routes and reads but just simply doesnt have the foot speed to run down long balls. A few correctly implemented defensive shifts may just be part of what gets him to his rating in a small sample. He also does have a strong throwing arm.

Walker has speed but doesnt always take best route or good initial read. He was doing better but is also probably a bit more in his head and now more focused on trying to correct his swing than his defense. Hes also coming back off an injury which could effect his defence too.

[scoutyjones2]

Don't look now but J. Walker's defense in RF, where he appeared to be showing promise, has turned south.............again.

Walker
-3 DRS
-2 OAA

Meanwhile A. Burleson's defense in RF has actually improved to league average.

Burleson
0 DRS
0 OAA

He is a huge disappointment

[CorneliusWolfe]

Don't look now but J. Walker's defense in RF, where he appeared to be showing promise, has turned south.............again.

Walker
-3 DRS
-2 OAA

Meanwhile A. Burleson's defense in RF has actually improved to league average.

Burleson
0 DRS
0 OAA

That is quite surprising. Haven’t really noticed Walker looking bad out there lately, though his appearances are more sporadic.

Meanwhile Burleson still seems to run nothing down and runs with those short choppy steps appearing in slow motion.

I wonder if Walker’s speed has put him closer to some plays that was subjectively ruled as “he could’ve made that play… -1 DRS.

Before the Burly lovers jump on me, I will acknowledge he’s played a pretty mean first base, where reaction and ability to pick is more important than range.

Thats not how the defensive ratings work. They use data on ball velocity and trajectory amd the zone the ball fell in. They dont even take into account defensive shifts. So if you do an extreme defensive shift that makes a nirnally difficult play easy it will still clunt as plus 1 where if a defensive shift leaves you in a spot where you have no chance at a play that would be easily made with nornal positioning, then you get a -1 still.

So merely getting close to a play because of superior range will not get you a - rating.

Im surprised by burlesons rating but keep in mind he rated as a plus at the beginning of last year before beong a heavy negative at years end- as these ratings are not meant to be judged as conclusive in small sample sizes. Burkeson usually gets okay jumps, routes and reads but just simply doesnt have the foot speed to run down long balls. A few correctly implemented defensive shifts may just be part of what gets him to his rating in a small sample. He also does have a strong throwing arm.

Walker has speed but doesnt always take best route or good initial read. He was doing better but is also probably a bit more in his head and now more focused on trying to correct his swing than his defense. Hes also coming back off an injury which could effect his defence too.

Well..that just doesn’t fit my argument! Seriously though, thanks for the detailed explanation, I didn’t know the shift could affect the rating so drastically. Makes it feel like a more unreliable stat but as you said, gotta let it play out over a much longer period. Good stuff.

[Honky Tonk Man]

Walker should not be in the big leagues he is hapless

[CorneliusWolfe]

Walker should not be in the big leagues he is hapless

Says the guy who predicts HOF for every prospect who records a Milb hit or strikeout. We know who you are. Two nuts, same sack.

[Cranny]

Walker should not be in the big leagues he is hapless

Young, developing player. Patience.

[rockondlouie]

Don't look now but J. Walker's defense in RF, where he appeared to be showing promise, has turned south.............again.

Walker
-3 DRS
-2 OAA

Meanwhile A. Burleson's defense in RF has actually improved to league average.

Burleson
0 DRS
0 OAA

Burleson is barely playing in RF though. He’s had like 17 games there. And he doesn’t have an OF assist with 0 errors.

Walker in more innings this year has cut his OAA in half from -4 last year in 367 Innings in RF to -2 this year in 406 innings in RF. And he has 3 OF assists with 0 errors.

No doubting the superior arm, Walker's is elite while Burly's is a wet noodle.

BUT "cutting" his OAA in half from -4 to -2 still makes Walker a negative RF.

Yea, but you said it’s going south when it’s actually gotten better. Defensive metrics need more time to fill data, so we shouldn’t have been comparing the numbers until about now anyways since both years were about the same amount of data now. And in comparison to last year (and the year before that), he has gotten better. Still not great or even good, but better.

Plenty of season left but his defense is indeed going south since he was actually a +DRS and a +OAA outfielder just a few weeks ago!

Just by the eye test he's misreading balls that go over his head and on balls in the corner, he's regressing.

Among MLB rightfielders w/300+ inning played he ranks as the 3rd worst RF in MLB via DRS.

Hopefully J. Jay can correct this.

Always something negative with you, rock.

Hey dummy it's called a baseball discussion.

Doesn't BDWJr or Mo need their shoes polished?

Go take your nap, it's almost time for the early bird at Applebee's.

Calling someone you don't know a "dummy" is simply an extension of your usual trite, negative schtick.

Speaking of schtick, yours is getting real old.

This is a baseball forum, for baseball discussions.

[rockondlouie]

Don't look now but J. Walker's defense in RF, where he appeared to be showing promise, has turned south.............again.

Walker
-3 DRS
-2 OAA

Meanwhile A. Burleson's defense in RF has actually improved to league average.

Burleson
0 DRS
0 OAA

He is a huge disappointment

I'm starting to wonder scouty, could they actually move on from Walker at seasons end if he shows no improvement and actually go with (gulp) Bumbles in RF?

I mean he is hitting, something Walker was doing before he got hurt but seems to have regressed again.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Don't look now but J. Walker's defense in RF, where he appeared to be showing promise, has turned south.............again.

Walker
-3 DRS
-2 OAA

Meanwhile A. Burleson's defense in RF has actually improved to league average.

Burleson
0 DRS
0 OAA

He is a huge disappointment

I'm starting to wonder scouty, could they actually move on from Walker at seasons end if he shows no improvement and actually go with (gulp) Bumbles in RF?

I mean he is hitting, something Walker was doing before he got hurt but seems to have regressed again.

Walker Gorman most others, are not Blooms kids. He has no skin in that game. This and next season we’re designed to see what young players can do.

He’s in trouble. And looks disinterested.

[Cranny]

Don't look now but J. Walker's defense in RF, where he appeared to be showing promise, has turned south.............again.

Walker
-3 DRS
-2 OAA

Meanwhile A. Burleson's defense in RF has actually improved to league average.

Burleson
0 DRS
0 OAA

Burleson is barely playing in RF though. He’s had like 17 games there. And he doesn’t have an OF assist with 0 errors.

Walker in more innings this year has cut his OAA in half from -4 last year in 367 Innings in RF to -2 this year in 406 innings in RF. And he has 3 OF assists with 0 errors.

No doubting the superior arm, Walker's is elite while Burly's is a wet noodle.

BUT "cutting" his OAA in half from -4 to -2 still makes Walker a negative RF.

Yea, but you said it’s going south when it’s actually gotten better. Defensive metrics need more time to fill data, so we shouldn’t have been comparing the numbers until about now anyways since both years were about the same amount of data now. And in comparison to last year (and the year before that), he has gotten better. Still not great or even good, but better.

Plenty of season left but his defense is indeed going south since he was actually a +DRS and a +OAA outfielder just a few weeks ago!

Just by the eye test he's misreading balls that go over his head and on balls in the corner, he's regressing.

Among MLB rightfielders w/300+ inning played he ranks as the 3rd worst RF in MLB via DRS.

Hopefully J. Jay can correct this.

Always something negative with you, rock.

Hey dummy it's called a baseball discussion.

Doesn't BDWJr or Mo need their shoes polished?

Go take your nap, it's almost time for the early bird at Applebee's.

Calling someone you don't know a "dummy" is simply an extension of your usual trite, negative schtick.

Speaking of schtick, yours is getting real old.

This is a baseball forum, for baseball discussions.

True, and it seems like the discussions are all negative for you.

[rockondlouie]

Don't look now but J. Walker's defense in RF, where he appeared to be showing promise, has turned south.............again.

Walker
-3 DRS
-2 OAA

Meanwhile A. Burleson's defense in RF has actually improved to league average.

Burleson
0 DRS
0 OAA

He is a huge disappointment

I'm starting to wonder scouty, could they actually move on from Walker at seasons end if he shows no improvement and actually go with (gulp) Bumbles in RF?

I mean he is hitting, something Walker was doing before he got hurt but seems to have regressed again.

Walker Gorman most others, are not Blooms kids. He has no skin in that game. This and next season we’re designed to see what young players can do.

He’s in trouble. And looks disinterested.

Yep, I've been saying that for some time BDog, Bloom has no stake in either's future since they're on Mo's resume and not his.

I agree he's in trouble, you can only survive in MLB for so long on "potential".

[rockondlouie]

Don't look now but J. Walker's defense in RF, where he appeared to be showing promise, has turned south.............again.

Walker
-3 DRS
-2 OAA

Meanwhile A. Burleson's defense in RF has actually improved to league average.

Burleson
0 DRS
0 OAA

Burleson is barely playing in RF though. He’s had like 17 games there. And he doesn’t have an OF assist with 0 errors.

Walker in more innings this year has cut his OAA in half from -4 last year in 367 Innings in RF to -2 this year in 406 innings in RF. And he has 3 OF assists with 0 errors.

No doubting the superior arm, Walker's is elite while Burly's is a wet noodle.

BUT "cutting" his OAA in half from -4 to -2 still makes Walker a negative RF.

Yea, but you said it’s going south when it’s actually gotten better. Defensive metrics need more time to fill data, so we shouldn’t have been comparing the numbers until about now anyways since both years were about the same amount of data now. And in comparison to last year (and the year before that), he has gotten better. Still not great or even good, but better.

Plenty of season left but his defense is indeed going south since he was actually a +DRS and a +OAA outfielder just a few weeks ago!

Just by the eye test he's misreading balls that go over his head and on balls in the corner, he's regressing.

Among MLB rightfielders w/300+ inning played he ranks as the 3rd worst RF in MLB via DRS.

Hopefully J. Jay can correct this.

Always something negative with you, rock.

Hey dummy it's called a baseball discussion.

Doesn't BDWJr or Mo need their shoes polished?

Go take your nap, it's almost time for the early bird at Applebee's.

Calling someone you don't know a "dummy" is simply an extension of your usual trite, negative schtick.

Speaking of schtick, yours is getting real old.

This is a baseball forum, for baseball discussions.

True, and it seems like the discussions are all negative for you.

You ONLY see what you want to see.

As you well know I've got more skin in this game than almost anyone on this forum having four season tixs for my company for over a decade.

I've also been a rabid fan since I was growing up in the 70's, playing for sixteen years.

Again, you're the biggest hypocrite in CT as once again you proved it:

"Calling someone you don't know....." yet you state "..it seems like the discussions are all negative for you".

Go read all my posts, you'll see 90% are positive.

BUT unlike you, the toady front office footstool, I also point out w/both vast experience and data when I see something that needs improving.

Case in point, your boss Mo who needed to be fired years ago and take his bad Manager Oli w/him.

[WLTFE]

Don't look now but J. Walker's defense in RF, where he appeared to be showing promise, has turned south.............again.

Walker
-3 DRS
-2 OAA

Meanwhile A. Burleson's defense in RF has actually improved to league average.

Burleson
0 DRS
0 OAA

He is a huge disappointment

I'm starting to wonder scouty, could they actually move on from Walker at seasons end if he shows no improvement and actually go with (gulp) Bumbles in RF?

I mean he is hitting, something Walker was doing before he got hurt but seems to have regressed again.

Walker Gorman most others, are not Blooms kids. He has no skin in that game. This and next season we’re designed to see what young players can do.

He’s in trouble. And looks disinterested.

Yep, I've been saying that for some time BDog, Bloom has no stake in either's future since they're on Mo's resume and not his.

I agree he's in trouble, you can only survive in MLB for so long on "potential".

+1...I'm part of a season tix group in Section 148...he's lost at the plate and I'm concerned it's carrying over to his fielding...he's either very dumb or very stubborn...and the 'he's only 23' is getting old.

[Melville]

Don't look now but J. Walker's defense in RF, where he appeared to be showing promise, has turned south.............again.

Walker
-3 DRS
-2 OAA

Meanwhile A. Burleson's defense in RF has actually improved to league average.

Burleson
0 DRS
0 OAA

He is a huge disappointment

I'm starting to wonder scouty, could they actually move on from Walker at seasons end if he shows no improvement and actually go with (gulp) Bumbles in RF?

I mean he is hitting, something Walker was doing before he got hurt but seems to have regressed again.

Agree that Walker should view himself as being at risk.
He and Mootbaar are expendable and Walker lacks the love affair protection given to Lars The Human Sushi-baar.

[bccardsfan]

Don't look now but J. Walker's defense in RF, where he appeared to be showing promise, has turned south.............again.

Walker
-3 DRS
-2 OAA

Meanwhile A. Burleson's defense in RF has actually improved to league average.

Burleson
0 DRS
0 OAA

He is a huge disappointment

I'm starting to wonder scouty, could they actually move on from Walker at seasons end if he shows no improvement and actually go with (gulp) Bumbles in RF?

I mean he is hitting, something Walker was doing before he got hurt but seems to have regressed again.

I think Walker is on thin ice, but there is no OFer in the minors who is really ready. Baez is crushing it, but that is AA. The problem with Walker is that he has really killed his trade value. His one hit tool was decent average, but now he is struggling to stay above .220. He needs to turn it around this year to have serious trade value. A dilemma. I think Bloom will certainly consider moving JW in the right deal. Again, the problem is that Burley is no OFer. He doesn't kill you at first and actually looks decent there, but you really don't want in the OF every single day. Herrera has no arm, so even if they teach him to play LF, people will run all over him. The team needs a bit of a retool of the roster if they want to have good D in the OF and some bats. We shall see. Baez may turn out to be the real deal, but he is at least a season away. Perhaps he gets a ST invite if he can make the jump to AAA by season's end. He could also be a bust as he moves up, who knows? This team needs at least one really good corner OFer. We all hope that is JW, but not looking good. Taking strike three right down the middle about 4 or 5 times in the last week is getting really old..... hope he gets it together soon.