J. Walker's defense is going south
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J. Walker's defense is going south
Don't look now but J. Walker's defense in RF, where he appeared to be showing promise, has turned south.............again.
Walker
-3 DRS
-2 OAA
Meanwhile A. Burleson's defense in RF has actually improved to league average.
Burleson
0 DRS
0 OAA
Walker
-3 DRS
-2 OAA
Meanwhile A. Burleson's defense in RF has actually improved to league average.
Burleson
0 DRS
0 OAA
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Re: J. Walker's defense is going south
A total eclipse.rockondlouie wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:00 am Don't look now but J. Walker's defense in RF, where he appeared to be showing promise, has turned south.............again.
Walker
-3 DRS
-2 OAA
Meanwhile A. Burleson's defense in RF has actually improved to league average.
Burleson
0 DRS
0 OAA
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Re: J. Walker's defense is going south
That is quite surprising. Haven’t really noticed Walker looking bad out there lately, though his appearances are more sporadic.rockondlouie wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:00 am Don't look now but J. Walker's defense in RF, where he appeared to be showing promise, has turned south.............again.
Walker
-3 DRS
-2 OAA
Meanwhile A. Burleson's defense in RF has actually improved to league average.
Burleson
0 DRS
0 OAA
Meanwhile Burleson still seems to run nothing down and runs with those short choppy steps appearing in slow motion.
I wonder if Walker’s speed has put him closer to some plays that was subjectively ruled as “he could’ve made that play… -1 DRS.
Before the Burly lovers jump on me, I will acknowledge he’s played a pretty mean first base, where reaction and ability to pick is more important than range.
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Re: J. Walker's defense is going south
What's the old saying CW, "Looks can be deceiving"?CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:08 amThat is quite surprising. Haven’t really noticed Walker looking bad out there lately, though his appearances are more sporadic.rockondlouie wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:00 am Don't look now but J. Walker's defense in RF, where he appeared to be showing promise, has turned south.............again.
Walker
-3 DRS
-2 OAA
Meanwhile A. Burleson's defense in RF has actually improved to league average.
Burleson
0 DRS
0 OAA
Meanwhile Burleson still seems to run nothing down and runs with those short choppy steps appearing in slow motion.
I wonder if Walker’s speed has put him closer to some plays that was subjectively ruled as “he could’ve made that play… -1 DRS.
Before the Burly lovers jump on me, I will acknowledge he’s played a pretty mean first base, where reaction and ability to pick is more important than range.
Walker looks like the protype you'd design for a ML outfielder while Burly looks like the RF in your beer softball league.
I was surprised to when I looked up the metrics.
Re: J. Walker's defense is going south
Burleson is barely playing in RF though. He’s had like 17 games there. And he doesn’t have an OF assist with 0 errors.rockondlouie wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:00 am Don't look now but J. Walker's defense in RF, where he appeared to be showing promise, has turned south.............again.
Walker
-3 DRS
-2 OAA
Meanwhile A. Burleson's defense in RF has actually improved to league average.
Burleson
0 DRS
0 OAA
Walker in more innings this year has cut his OAA in half from -4 last year in 367 Innings in RF to -2 this year in 406 innings in RF. And he has 3 OF assists with 0 errors.
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Re: J. Walker's defense is going south
We better brace for the storm of off-point hater accusations. “Burley’s hitting over .300! Walker sucks!”rockondlouie wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:15 amWhat's the old saying CW, "Looks can be deceiving"?CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:08 amThat is quite surprising. Haven’t really noticed Walker looking bad out there lately, though his appearances are more sporadic.rockondlouie wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:00 am Don't look now but J. Walker's defense in RF, where he appeared to be showing promise, has turned south.............again.
Walker
-3 DRS
-2 OAA
Meanwhile A. Burleson's defense in RF has actually improved to league average.
Burleson
0 DRS
0 OAA
Meanwhile Burleson still seems to run nothing down and runs with those short choppy steps appearing in slow motion.
I wonder if Walker’s speed has put him closer to some plays that was subjectively ruled as “he could’ve made that play… -1 DRS.
Before the Burly lovers jump on me, I will acknowledge he’s played a pretty mean first base, where reaction and ability to pick is more important than range.
Walker looks like the protype you'd design for a ML outfielder while Burly looks like the RF in your beer softball league.
I was surprised to when I looked up the metrics.
Game 7 of WS, bottom of the ninth. All we need to do is hold a lead. Who do you want in RF, JW or AB?
Might not ever get there with either one, but I’m taking JW.
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Re: J. Walker's defense is going south
No doubting the superior arm, Walker's is elite while Burly's is a wet noodle.Futuregm2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:19 amBurleson is barely playing in RF though. He’s had like 17 games there. And he doesn’t have an OF assist with 0 errors.rockondlouie wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:00 am Don't look now but J. Walker's defense in RF, where he appeared to be showing promise, has turned south.............again.
Walker
-3 DRS
-2 OAA
Meanwhile A. Burleson's defense in RF has actually improved to league average.
Burleson
0 DRS
0 OAA
Walker in more innings this year has cut his OAA in half from -4 last year in 367 Innings in RF to -2 this year in 406 innings in RF. And he has 3 OF assists with 0 errors.
BUT "cutting" his OAA in half from -4 to -2 still makes Walker a negative RF.

Re: J. Walker's defense is going south
Yea, but you said it’s going south when it’s actually gotten better. Defensive metrics need more time to fill data, so we shouldn’t have been comparing the numbers until about now anyways since both years were about the same amount of data now. And in comparison to last year (and the year before that), he has gotten better. Still not great or even good, but better.rockondlouie wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:34 amNo doubting the superior arm, Walker's is elite while Burly's is a wet noodle.Futuregm2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:19 amBurleson is barely playing in RF though. He’s had like 17 games there. And he doesn’t have an OF assist with 0 errors.rockondlouie wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:00 am Don't look now but J. Walker's defense in RF, where he appeared to be showing promise, has turned south.............again.
Walker
-3 DRS
-2 OAA
Meanwhile A. Burleson's defense in RF has actually improved to league average.
Burleson
0 DRS
0 OAA
Walker in more innings this year has cut his OAA in half from -4 last year in 367 Innings in RF to -2 this year in 406 innings in RF. And he has 3 OF assists with 0 errors.
BUT "cutting" his OAA in half from -4 to -2 still makes Walker a negative RF.![]()
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Re: J. Walker's defense is going south
Plenty of season left but his defense is indeed going south since he was actually a +DRS and a +OAA outfielder just a few weeks ago!Futuregm2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:38 amYea, but you said it’s going south when it’s actually gotten better. Defensive metrics need more time to fill data, so we shouldn’t have been comparing the numbers until about now anyways since both years were about the same amount of data now. And in comparison to last year (and the year before that), he has gotten better. Still not great or even good, but better.rockondlouie wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:34 amNo doubting the superior arm, Walker's is elite while Burly's is a wet noodle.Futuregm2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:19 amBurleson is barely playing in RF though. He’s had like 17 games there. And he doesn’t have an OF assist with 0 errors.rockondlouie wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:00 am Don't look now but J. Walker's defense in RF, where he appeared to be showing promise, has turned south.............again.
Walker
-3 DRS
-2 OAA
Meanwhile A. Burleson's defense in RF has actually improved to league average.
Burleson
0 DRS
0 OAA
Walker in more innings this year has cut his OAA in half from -4 last year in 367 Innings in RF to -2 this year in 406 innings in RF. And he has 3 OF assists with 0 errors.
BUT "cutting" his OAA in half from -4 to -2 still makes Walker a negative RF.![]()
Just by the eye test he's misreading balls that go over his head and on balls in the corner, he's regressing.
Among MLB rightfielders w/300+ inning played he ranks as the 3rd worst RF in MLB via DRS.
Hopefully J. Jay can correct this.
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Re: J. Walker's defense is going south
With Walker he's string out a third of his at bats. Seems to be a pitch recognition issue. How much improvement can you expect at this point. At least Gorman shows power.
Re: J. Walker's defense is going south
Always something negative with you, rock.rockondlouie wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:42 amPlenty of season left but his defense is indeed going south since he was actually a +DRS and a +OAA outfielder just a few weeks ago!Futuregm2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:38 amYea, but you said it’s going south when it’s actually gotten better. Defensive metrics need more time to fill data, so we shouldn’t have been comparing the numbers until about now anyways since both years were about the same amount of data now. And in comparison to last year (and the year before that), he has gotten better. Still not great or even good, but better.rockondlouie wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:34 amNo doubting the superior arm, Walker's is elite while Burly's is a wet noodle.Futuregm2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:19 amBurleson is barely playing in RF though. He’s had like 17 games there. And he doesn’t have an OF assist with 0 errors.rockondlouie wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:00 am Don't look now but J. Walker's defense in RF, where he appeared to be showing promise, has turned south.............again.
Walker
-3 DRS
-2 OAA
Meanwhile A. Burleson's defense in RF has actually improved to league average.
Burleson
0 DRS
0 OAA
Walker in more innings this year has cut his OAA in half from -4 last year in 367 Innings in RF to -2 this year in 406 innings in RF. And he has 3 OF assists with 0 errors.
BUT "cutting" his OAA in half from -4 to -2 still makes Walker a negative RF.![]()
Just by the eye test he's misreading balls that go over his head and on balls in the corner, he's regressing.
Among MLB rightfielders w/300+ inning played he ranks as the 3rd worst RF in MLB via DRS.
Hopefully J. Jay can correct this.
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Re: J. Walker's defense is going south
Hey dummy it's called a baseball discussion.Cranny wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 12:06 pmAlways something negative with you, rock.rockondlouie wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:42 amPlenty of season left but his defense is indeed going south since he was actually a +DRS and a +OAA outfielder just a few weeks ago!Futuregm2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:38 amYea, but you said it’s going south when it’s actually gotten better. Defensive metrics need more time to fill data, so we shouldn’t have been comparing the numbers until about now anyways since both years were about the same amount of data now. And in comparison to last year (and the year before that), he has gotten better. Still not great or even good, but better.rockondlouie wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:34 amNo doubting the superior arm, Walker's is elite while Burly's is a wet noodle.Futuregm2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:19 amBurleson is barely playing in RF though. He’s had like 17 games there. And he doesn’t have an OF assist with 0 errors.rockondlouie wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:00 am Don't look now but J. Walker's defense in RF, where he appeared to be showing promise, has turned south.............again.
Walker
-3 DRS
-2 OAA
Meanwhile A. Burleson's defense in RF has actually improved to league average.
Burleson
0 DRS
0 OAA
Walker in more innings this year has cut his OAA in half from -4 last year in 367 Innings in RF to -2 this year in 406 innings in RF. And he has 3 OF assists with 0 errors.
BUT "cutting" his OAA in half from -4 to -2 still makes Walker a negative RF.![]()
Just by the eye test he's misreading balls that go over his head and on balls in the corner, he's regressing.
Among MLB rightfielders w/300+ inning played he ranks as the 3rd worst RF in MLB via DRS.
Hopefully J. Jay can correct this.
Doesn't BDWJr or Mo need their shoes polished?
Go take your nap, it's almost time for the early bird at Applebee's.
Re: J. Walker's defense is going south
I assume in that scenario Walker isn't the only outfielder we have on the bench so I'm not sure it's a realistic dilemmaCorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:24 amWe better brace for the storm of off-point hater accusations. “Burley’s hitting over .300! Walker sucks!”rockondlouie wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:15 amWhat's the old saying CW, "Looks can be deceiving"?CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:08 amThat is quite surprising. Haven’t really noticed Walker looking bad out there lately, though his appearances are more sporadic.rockondlouie wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:00 am Don't look now but J. Walker's defense in RF, where he appeared to be showing promise, has turned south.............again.
Walker
-3 DRS
-2 OAA
Meanwhile A. Burleson's defense in RF has actually improved to league average.
Burleson
0 DRS
0 OAA
Meanwhile Burleson still seems to run nothing down and runs with those short choppy steps appearing in slow motion.
I wonder if Walker’s speed has put him closer to some plays that was subjectively ruled as “he could’ve made that play… -1 DRS.
Before the Burly lovers jump on me, I will acknowledge he’s played a pretty mean first base, where reaction and ability to pick is more important than range.
Walker looks like the protype you'd design for a ML outfielder while Burly looks like the RF in your beer softball league.
I was surprised to when I looked up the metrics.
Game 7 of WS, bottom of the ninth. All we need to do is hold a lead. Who do you want in RF, JW or AB?
Might not ever get there with either one, but I’m taking JW.
Re: J. Walker's defense is going south
As a Cardinal fan - you look at what Walker promised as a MLB player when he first came to STL and you look at him now- talk about regression of a prospect.
Had energy. At least had an idea on what he wanted to do at plate - today he watches strike 3 down central. Defensively it is more "kick the can" than baseball. Does not show the interest or fire. The whole redo in Memphis to get "lift" or whatever was utter failure. Rarely hits ball that the fielder shakes his hand from the pain.
Brown is not the answer. Walker may be the first to get his pardon from this ownership and FO to play for another team. The right team and he will make the Cards pay dearly. But they will keep spending resources on Gorman in the HOPE he will someday only SO at 28% rate and hit 18 HR's.
Had energy. At least had an idea on what he wanted to do at plate - today he watches strike 3 down central. Defensively it is more "kick the can" than baseball. Does not show the interest or fire. The whole redo in Memphis to get "lift" or whatever was utter failure. Rarely hits ball that the fielder shakes his hand from the pain.
Brown is not the answer. Walker may be the first to get his pardon from this ownership and FO to play for another team. The right team and he will make the Cards pay dearly. But they will keep spending resources on Gorman in the HOPE he will someday only SO at 28% rate and hit 18 HR's.
Re: J. Walker's defense is going south
Calling someone you don't know a "dummy" is simply an extension of your usual trite, negative schtick.rockondlouie wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 12:09 pmHey dummy it's called a baseball discussion.Cranny wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 12:06 pmAlways something negative with you, rock.rockondlouie wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:42 amPlenty of season left but his defense is indeed going south since he was actually a +DRS and a +OAA outfielder just a few weeks ago!Futuregm2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:38 amYea, but you said it’s going south when it’s actually gotten better. Defensive metrics need more time to fill data, so we shouldn’t have been comparing the numbers until about now anyways since both years were about the same amount of data now. And in comparison to last year (and the year before that), he has gotten better. Still not great or even good, but better.rockondlouie wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:34 amNo doubting the superior arm, Walker's is elite while Burly's is a wet noodle.Futuregm2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:19 amBurleson is barely playing in RF though. He’s had like 17 games there. And he doesn’t have an OF assist with 0 errors.rockondlouie wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:00 am Don't look now but J. Walker's defense in RF, where he appeared to be showing promise, has turned south.............again.
Walker
-3 DRS
-2 OAA
Meanwhile A. Burleson's defense in RF has actually improved to league average.
Burleson
0 DRS
0 OAA
Walker in more innings this year has cut his OAA in half from -4 last year in 367 Innings in RF to -2 this year in 406 innings in RF. And he has 3 OF assists with 0 errors.
BUT "cutting" his OAA in half from -4 to -2 still makes Walker a negative RF.![]()
Just by the eye test he's misreading balls that go over his head and on balls in the corner, he's regressing.
Among MLB rightfielders w/300+ inning played he ranks as the 3rd worst RF in MLB via DRS.
Hopefully J. Jay can correct this.
Doesn't BDWJr or Mo need their shoes polished?
Go take your nap, it's almost time for the early bird at Applebee's.
Re: J. Walker's defense is going south
Interesting statistics...hard to argue with facts.rockondlouie wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:42 amPlenty of season left but his defense is indeed going south since he was actually a +DRS and a +OAA outfielder just a few weeks ago!Futuregm2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:38 amYea, but you said it’s going south when it’s actually gotten better. Defensive metrics need more time to fill data, so we shouldn’t have been comparing the numbers until about now anyways since both years were about the same amount of data now. And in comparison to last year (and the year before that), he has gotten better. Still not great or even good, but better.rockondlouie wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:34 amNo doubting the superior arm, Walker's is elite while Burly's is a wet noodle.Futuregm2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:19 amBurleson is barely playing in RF though. He’s had like 17 games there. And he doesn’t have an OF assist with 0 errors.rockondlouie wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 11:00 am Don't look now but J. Walker's defense in RF, where he appeared to be showing promise, has turned south.............again.
Walker
-3 DRS
-2 OAA
Meanwhile A. Burleson's defense in RF has actually improved to league average.
Burleson
0 DRS
0 OAA
Walker in more innings this year has cut his OAA in half from -4 last year in 367 Innings in RF to -2 this year in 406 innings in RF. And he has 3 OF assists with 0 errors.
BUT "cutting" his OAA in half from -4 to -2 still makes Walker a negative RF.![]()
Just by the eye test he's misreading balls that go over his head and on balls in the corner, he's regressing.
Among MLB rightfielders w/300+ inning played he ranks as the 3rd worst RF in MLB via DRS.
Hopefully J. Jay can correct this.