Lineup ~ Donovan and Winn 1/2, Noot 7th; No Gorman, No Walker

[craviduce]

Donovan2B L
WinnSS R
HerreraDH R
Contreras, Wn1B R
BurlesonRF L
Arenado3B R
NootbaarLF L
Pagés, PC R
Scott IICF L

GDT Soonish

[3dender]

Rather Donny in LF and Gorman at 2B but I'm resigned to Burly getting preference at this point.

[Futuregm2]

LHB’s hitting .189 with a .561 OPS vs RHP Shane Smith

[rockondlouie]

Thx duce

So Norman tearing the cover off the ball and Oli (aka "THE COOLER") keeps him on the bench?

Don't care what Smith is doing vs LHH'ers, Gorman is HOT!

Posted these earlier from Bernie:

5. Nolan Gorman, warming trend. And it's also a warning to the pitchers. Among Cardinals that have 45 plate appearances since May 26, Gorman leads the team in batting average (.350), on-base percentage (.422), slugging percentage (.675), OPS (1.097), walk rate (11.1%) and wRC+. Per wRC+, Gorman is 105 percent above league average offensively since May 26.

6. Gorman a go-go, part two: Among left handed hitters in the National League that have at least 45 plate appearances since May 26, Gorman ranks 4th in batting average, 9th in on-base rate, 2nd in slugging, 5th in OPS, and 4th in wRC+. This is the proverbial small sample, but here’s my point: we were waiting for Gorman to produce after rebuilding his plate approach to have improved plate discipline. Well, he’s starting to put up numbers.

7. Gorman’s bat speed has increased. Before May 26, his average bat speed on a swing was 70.8 miles per hour. But over his last 16 games, that average bat speed has increased to 72.7 miles per hour. That’s a big difference. And we can see that in Gorman’s stronger numbers against four-seam fastballs: since May 26, Gorman is 6 for 7 (.857) with two doubles when smashing four-seam fastballs. Before May 26, Gorman was 2 for 22 with seven strikeouts against the four-seam fastballs.

8. Gorman, again: By the way, over his breakout stretch of offense since May 26, Gorman has pummeled right-handed pitchers for a .433 average and .767 slugging percentage. His totals over that time include two doubles, a triple and two homers. Gorman is taking better and more competitive at-bats against lefties.




Enjoy your paid 2026 vacation Oli, he can't be fired soon enough.

[Futuregm2]

Thx duce

So Norman tearing the cover off the ball and Oli (aka "THE COOLER") keeps him on the bench?

Don't care what Smith is doing vs LHH'ers, Gorman is HOT!

Posted these earlier from Bernie:

5. Nolan Gorman, warming trend. And it's also a warning to the pitchers. Among Cardinals that have 45 plate appearances since May 26, Gorman leads the team in batting average (.350), on-base percentage (.422), slugging percentage (.675), OPS (1.097), walk rate (11.1%) and wRC+. Per wRC+, Gorman is 105 percent above league average offensively since May 26.

6. Gorman a go-go, part two: Among left handed hitters in the National League that have at least 45 plate appearances since May 26, Gorman ranks 4th in batting average, 9th in on-base rate, 2nd in slugging, 5th in OPS, and 4th in wRC+. This is the proverbial small sample, but here’s my point: we were waiting for Gorman to produce after rebuilding his plate approach to have improved plate discipline. Well, he’s starting to put up numbers.

7. Gorman’s bat speed has increased. Before May 26, his average bat speed on a swing was 70.8 miles per hour. But over his last 16 games, that average bat speed has increased to 72.7 miles per hour. That’s a big difference. And we can see that in Gorman’s stronger numbers against four-seam fastballs: since May 26, Gorman is 6 for 7 (.857) with two doubles when smashing four-seam fastballs. Before May 26, Gorman was 2 for 22 with seven strikeouts against the four-seam fastballs.

8. Gorman, again: By the way, over his breakout stretch of offense since May 26, Gorman has pummeled right-handed pitchers for a .433 average and .767 slugging percentage. His totals over that time include two doubles, a triple and two homers. Gorman is taking better and more competitive at-bats against lefties.




Enjoy your paid 2026 vacation Oli, he can't be fired soon enough.

I agree, I would have probably put Gorman in place of Arenado personally. Although he’s also on a 6 game hitting streak.

[3dender]

LHB’s hitting .189 with a .561 OPS vs RHP Shane Smith

So Burleson and his .633 OPS against lefties, instead of either Walker or Gorman, is particularly brilliant.

[Honky Tonk Man]

Looks like Burleson is the starting right fielder, this has got to be a letdown for that hard hitting walker

[Futuregm2]

LHB’s hitting .189 with a .561 OPS vs RHP Shane Smith

So Burleson and his .633 OPS against lefties, instead of either Walker or Gorman, is particularly brilliant.

Well unless Smith changed arms since his last start he throws right handed.

Unless you’re treating him like a LHP since he’s got the reverse splits.

Honestly it’s hard for me because Gorman and Walker should be priorities to have in the lineup. Burleson is also hitting well with an .882 OPS in June, so he’s a priority for me to play right now, too. As is Donovan, Contreras, and Herrera. Arenado is not the priority so I would be sitting him today personally.

[3dender]

LHB’s hitting .189 with a .561 OPS vs RHP Shane Smith

So Burleson and his .633 OPS against lefties, instead of either Walker or Gorman, is particularly brilliant.

Well unless Smith changed arms since his last start he throws right handed.

Unless you’re treating him like a LHP since he’s got the reverse splits.

Honestly it’s hard for me because Gorman and Walker should be priorities to have in the lineup. Burleson is also hitting well with an .882 OPS in June, so he’s a priority for me to play right now, too. As is Donovan, Contreras, and Herrera. Arenado is not the priority so I would be sitting him today personally.

Oh yeah my bad... I just think you gotta have at least one of Gorman/Walker in there every day right now.

I'd also be fine with just playing Herrera at catcher and swallowing the extra stolen bases. But in my book PT for Gorman/Walker >>> Burleson, no matter how well Burly is hitting. 2025 ain't about winning a WS.

[Futuregm2]

LHB’s hitting .189 with a .561 OPS vs RHP Shane Smith

So Burleson and his .633 OPS against lefties, instead of either Walker or Gorman, is particularly brilliant.

Well unless Smith changed arms since his last start he throws right handed.

Unless you’re treating him like a LHP since he’s got the reverse splits.

Honestly it’s hard for me because Gorman and Walker should be priorities to have in the lineup. Burleson is also hitting well with an .882 OPS in June, so he’s a priority for me to play right now, too. As is Donovan, Contreras, and Herrera. Arenado is not the priority so I would be sitting him today personally.

Oh yeah my bad... I just think you gotta have at least one of Gorman/Walker in there every day right now.

I'd also be fine with just playing Herrera at catcher and swallowing the extra stolen bases. But in my book PT for Gorman/Walker >>> Burleson, no matter how well Burly is hitting. 2025 ain't about winning a WS.

I agree. I would have said that about Herrera, too, although I looked at Libby’s career with him catching and it’s ugly. Opponents have an .884 OPS vs Libby with Herrera as catcher vs .657 OPS with Pages.

White Sox are a team to have Herrera at catcher against though because Luis Robert Jr has half of their teams steals and even as is they’re middle ground at running. Keep him off the bases though and you’re facing one of the worst base running teams in baseball….although probably helped by the fact that they are one of the worst teams at getting on base in the first place.

I’m also fine with Burly hitting because if it helps his trade value for him to keep hitting and/or Bloom see where he fits in going forward that’s a plus.

[Bob Kunush]

As a person who often defends Ollie, I dont like any lineup right now that sits both Walker and Gorman. I totally disagree with that. I also dont like catching Pages right now despite Herrera not being a very good catcher. It takes away the DH spot for Burleson, who has earned the right to play.

My only hope is that this is a trade showcase lineup to give Arenado, Nootbaar, and Burleson as much exposure as possible.

This team is too congested. If you can't trade Arenado you need to trade Donavon or Nootbarr or both. We have got to open up positions. We can't be sitting Walker and Gorman as much as we have been if we really think they are part of the future.

[Futuregm2]

Until I see otherwise (and it’s admittedly not the best way to do it), I would go:

Catcher for pitcher
Gray: Herrera (.623 OPS against)

Fedde: Pages (.651 OPS against)

Pallante: Pages/Pozo (.707/.644 OPS against)

Libby: Pages (.657 OPS against)

Mikolas: Herrera/Pozo (.756/.540 OPS against)

That gives potentially 2 starts out of each turn in the rotation to Herrera where you can DH Gorman or Burly. And they are pitchers that have been better with Herrera than Pages behind the plate.

[WLTFE]

As a person who often defends Ollie, I dont like any lineup right now that sits both Walker and Gorman. I totally disagree with that. I also dont like catching Pages right now despite Herrera not being a very good catcher. It takes away the DH spot for Burleson, who has earned the right to play.

My only hope is that this is a trade showcase lineup to give Arenado, Nootbaar, and Burleson as much exposure as possible.

This team is too congested. If you can't trade Arenado you need to trade Donavon or Nootbarr or both. We have got to open up positions. We can't be sitting Walker and Gorman as much as we have been if we really think they are part of the future.

Bobby Boy!... you're finally understanding that Oli is terrible at his job..there's hope for you!

[Whatashame]

Thx duce

So Norman tearing the cover off the ball and Oli (aka "THE COOLER") keeps him on the bench?

Don't care what Smith is doing vs LHH'ers, Gorman is HOT!

Posted these earlier from Bernie:

5. Nolan Gorman, warming trend. And it's also a warning to the pitchers. Among Cardinals that have 45 plate appearances since May 26, Gorman leads the team in batting average (.350), on-base percentage (.422), slugging percentage (.675), OPS (1.097), walk rate (11.1%) and wRC+. Per wRC+, Gorman is 105 percent above league average offensively since May 26.

6. Gorman a go-go, part two: Among left handed hitters in the National League that have at least 45 plate appearances since May 26, Gorman ranks 4th in batting average, 9th in on-base rate, 2nd in slugging, 5th in OPS, and 4th in wRC+. This is the proverbial small sample, but here’s my point: we were waiting for Gorman to produce after rebuilding his plate approach to have improved plate discipline. Well, he’s starting to put up numbers.

7. Gorman’s bat speed has increased. Before May 26, his average bat speed on a swing was 70.8 miles per hour. But over his last 16 games, that average bat speed has increased to 72.7 miles per hour. That’s a big difference. And we can see that in Gorman’s stronger numbers against four-seam fastballs: since May 26, Gorman is 6 for 7 (.857) with two doubles when smashing four-seam fastballs. Before May 26, Gorman was 2 for 22 with seven strikeouts against the four-seam fastballs.

8. Gorman, again: By the way, over his breakout stretch of offense since May 26, Gorman has pummeled right-handed pitchers for a .433 average and .767 slugging percentage. His totals over that time include two doubles, a triple and two homers. Gorman is taking better and more competitive at-bats against lefties.




Enjoy your paid 2026 vacation Oli, he can't be fired soon enough.

It seems to me that this was a “reset” year and if there were guys we wanted to find out about, Walker and Gorman would be at the top of the list. They should be in the lineup almost every day. We are halfway through June and Gorman and Walker are still up and down in the lineup, especially Gorman. We can’t get through another season and still be asking ourselves what are these two guys. If they aren’t playing here, send them to AAA to get everyday ABs.

I understand that Arenado has created a problem but the guys have to play

[IndCard75]

Like someone else said, hopefully this is due to showcasing Arenado. Nothing personal against Arenado but hopefully by the end of the trade deadline he is gone. Walker and Gorman need to play every day.

[Decker57]

Worked out good but why do you have to play two cold as ice players (Noot & Scott)?

It's pretty clear Noot is a Marmol favorite and could probably be hitting 150 and he would still be in the lineup.

Move Donavan to left field or at least let Herrera catch to get Gorman some at bats to see what he can do playing 4 or 5 games a week.