Mo needs to get a stud pitching and power hitting prospect

[Shady]

Reasonable OP.

The plan was to rid /sell Goldie Mik and Matz. One happened. The plan is still to sell Mik and Matz. Both will bring a nice prospect under blooms guys.

Then, off season add one big bat. Left or third. Play. Off season 2026 add TOR starter. League level.

2027- power house.

Patience men.

How will that fit into the budget, Dawg?

I see you're still on the job cranny, BDWJr's chief wallet protector.

BTW, the 2026 "budget" needs to be in the $175-180M range.

If our budget goes up to that with cuts and trades, I easily see us relevant in 2027.

Beyond Walker. Five key players development for that to happen. Wetherholt, Saggese, Mathews, Roby and Hence.

Really hate to count on walker, he does nothing well

If you are curious about the reason for your unpopularity on this board here is Exhibit A. Creating sock puppets and having conversations with yourself is pathetic and annoying. Knock it off.

you obviously have me mixed up with someone else, it appears that you may be a special needs person,

You are dealing with one of the many suffering from SDS. Shady Derangement Syndrome. It's like talking to a fence post.

[Cranny]

Reasonable OP.

The plan was to rid /sell Goldie Mik and Matz. One happened. The plan is still to sell Mik and Matz. Both will bring a nice prospect under blooms guys.

Then, off season add one big bat. Left or third. Play. Off season 2026 add TOR starter. League level.

2027- power house.

Patience men.

How will that fit into the budget, Dawg?

I see you're still on the job cranny, BDWJr's chief wallet protector.

BTW, the 2026 "budget" needs to be in the $175-180M range.

If our budget goes up to that with cuts and trades, I easily see us relevant in 2027.

Beyond Walker. Five key players development for that to happen. Wetherholt, Saggese, Mathews, Roby and Hence.

Really hate to count on walker, he does nothing well

If you are curious about the reason for your unpopularity on this board here is Exhibit A. Creating sock puppets and having conversations with yourself is pathetic and annoying. Knock it off.

you obviously have me mixed up with someone else, it appears that you may be a special needs person,

You are dealing with one of the many suffering from Shady Derangement Syndrome. It's like talking to a fence post.

You place yourself at an esteem level that's way higher than you think. Take a break for a while.

[Shady]

Reasonable OP.

The plan was to rid /sell Goldie Mik and Matz. One happened. The plan is still to sell Mik and Matz. Both will bring a nice prospect under blooms guys.

Then, off season add one big bat. Left or third. Play. Off season 2026 add TOR starter. League level.

2027- power house.

Patience men.

How will that fit into the budget, Dawg?

I see you're still on the job cranny, BDWJr's chief wallet protector.

BTW, the 2026 "budget" needs to be in the $175-180M range.

If our budget goes up to that with cuts and trades, I easily see us relevant in 2027.

Beyond Walker. Five key players development for that to happen. Wetherholt, Saggese, Mathews, Roby and Hence.

Really hate to count on walker, he does nothing well

If you are curious about the reason for your unpopularity on this board here is Exhibit A. Creating sock puppets and having conversations with yourself is pathetic and annoying. Knock it off.

you obviously have me mixed up with someone else, it appears that you may be a special needs person,

You are dealing with one of the many suffering from Shady Derangement Syndrome. It's like talking to a fence post.

You place yourself at an esteem level that's way higher than you think. Take a break for a while.

So do you. By the way, you don't run the show here.

[ScotchMIrish]

Saggese and Roby for Ozuna.

lol, Marcel? Please no.

Turned out great the first time. What ever happened to Alcantara and Gallen?

[Adam2]

Reasonable OP.

The plan was to rid /sell Goldie Mik and Matz. One happened. The plan is still to sell Mik and Matz. Both will bring a nice prospect under blooms guys.

Then, off season add one big bat. Left or third. Play. Off season 2026 add TOR starter. League level.

2027- power house.

Patience men.

How will that fit into the budget, Dawg?

I see you're still on the job cranny, BDWJr's chief wallet protector.

BTW, the 2026 "budget" needs to be in the $175-180M range.

why does it "need to be"???....when they've said they're moving forward with a smaller budget.

Why can't some of the fan base come to grips with this?

And then...we have the likely work stoppage in 2027. You have the New CBA uncertainty, which will redefine players salaries and team budgets, profit sharing, etc, etc. With zero idea on how every thing will work, why in the world would this team, and most midmarket and all low market teams spend any significant money this season and next? Why????

Makes no sense to spend under these circumstances.

I don't give a c r a p what BDWJr say's, of course he wants to have as low a payroll as he can but to accept that, in this city where he's drawn 3+M for decades, isn't going to happen and nor should it.

I know you love the kids from the minor leagues and want to see them playing in St. Louis, I respect that.

And some actually do come thru the system and make an impact.

Of course you need to draft and development internally, we're all for that!

But there's absolutely no way whatsoever to compete for another WS title unless you have a budget ($175M minimum) that allows C. Bloom to fill in the (many) missing pieces this team needs to compete again.

You need both (internal players drafter + traded for or signed established major league talent) to win.

No one knows if there will be a work stoppage, too much to lose on both sides (owners TV money/gates/ect...) and players (massive salaries they would never recoup).

This is a "mid market team" population wise, but they're fan base makes them a large regional team that has drawn near the top of MLB in attendance for decades.

They DON'T lack revenue, haven't for decades.

Unless BDWJr is happy drawing 2.2-2.5M -vs- 3.1-3.4M, then he'll spend.

I don't think C. Bloom would've taken the job w/o this guarantee (he already got shafted in Boston, too smart to let it happen again).

Respect as always, not in agreement here.

Dewitt must give Bloom the same financial payroll support he gave Mo and I think he will.

JMO

we've tried your approach for 10 seasons....$160-175 million. It didn't work, the Dodgers spent more, much more. We could compete, some what, when teams stayed near the CB Tax thresh hold. The bigger markets heeded the Tax Penalties, for the most part. The Sox and Yankees taking the most penalties for while, but we were still within sniffing distance, and somewhat competitive. Then the new decade happened. San Diego's owners got some new thongs and ants in their pants and started spending, the Dodgers followed suit...they have the TV and Advertising money, they can do whatever they want....We can't. So why should we?

Our Minor Leagues development is awful, our prospects aren't up to par with the rest of the league, our middling prospects rival the low tier prospects in every other organization. We've lost our way as an organization....all b/c we tried to keep up with the payroll of others..."within sniffing distance"

We need to build from the ground up, and we're starting to do that. Spending stupid money just to spend stupid money...is...STUPID. I don't want to put us back another decade or two. You have to realize this is what you're wanting to do. Cut down some of those Trees, see the Forest.

If our minor league development is awful, how did we end up with Winn, Herrera, McGreevey, Burleson, etc.

If you consider them successes i wouldn't argue. look at our other high end picks. I dont need to name names. we all know. We are behind the curve. Hopefully Bloom corrects the Mozeliak era

[Futuregm2]

Reasonable OP.

The plan was to rid /sell Goldie Mik and Matz. One happened. The plan is still to sell Mik and Matz. Both will bring a nice prospect under blooms guys.

Then, off season add one big bat. Left or third. Play. Off season 2026 add TOR starter. League level.

2027- power house.

Patience men.

How will that fit into the budget, Dawg?

I see you're still on the job cranny, BDWJr's chief wallet protector.

BTW, the 2026 "budget" needs to be in the $175-180M range.

why does it "need to be"???....when they've said they're moving forward with a smaller budget.

Why can't some of the fan base come to grips with this?

And then...we have the likely work stoppage in 2027. You have the New CBA uncertainty, which will redefine players salaries and team budgets, profit sharing, etc, etc. With zero idea on how every thing will work, why in the world would this team, and most midmarket and all low market teams spend any significant money this season and next? Why????

Makes no sense to spend under these circumstances.

I don't give a c r a p what BDWJr say's, of course he wants to have as low a payroll as he can but to accept that, in this city where he's drawn 3+M for decades, isn't going to happen and nor should it.

I know you love the kids from the minor leagues and want to see them playing in St. Louis, I respect that.

And some actually do come thru the system and make an impact.

Of course you need to draft and development internally, we're all for that!

But there's absolutely no way whatsoever to compete for another WS title unless you have a budget ($175M minimum) that allows C. Bloom to fill in the (many) missing pieces this team needs to compete again.

You need both (internal players drafter + traded for or signed established major league talent) to win.

No one knows if there will be a work stoppage, too much to lose on both sides (owners TV money/gates/ect...) and players (massive salaries they would never recoup).

This is a "mid market team" population wise, but they're fan base makes them a large regional team that has drawn near the top of MLB in attendance for decades.

They DON'T lack revenue, haven't for decades.

Unless BDWJr is happy drawing 2.2-2.5M -vs- 3.1-3.4M, then he'll spend.

I don't think C. Bloom would've taken the job w/o this guarantee (he already got shafted in Boston, too smart to let it happen again).

Respect as always, not in agreement here.

Dewitt must give Bloom the same financial payroll support he gave Mo and I think he will.

JMO

we've tried your approach for 10 seasons....$160-175 million. It didn't work, the Dodgers spent more, much more. We could compete, some what, when teams stayed near the CB Tax thresh hold. The bigger markets heeded the Tax Penalties, for the most part. The Sox and Yankees taking the most penalties for while, but we were still within sniffing distance, and somewhat competitive. Then the new decade happened. San Diego's owners got some new thongs and ants in their pants and started spending, the Dodgers followed suit...they have the TV and Advertising money, they can do whatever they want....We can't. So why should we?

Our Minor Leagues development is awful, our prospects aren't up to par with the rest of the league, our middling prospects rival the low tier prospects in every other organization. We've lost our way as an organization....all b/c we tried to keep up with the payroll of others..."within sniffing distance"

We need to build from the ground up, and we're starting to do that. Spending stupid money just to spend stupid money...is...STUPID. I don't want to put us back another decade or two. You have to realize this is what you're wanting to do. Cut down some of those Trees, see the Forest.

If our minor league development is awful, how did we end up with Winn, Herrera, McGreevey, Burleson, etc.

Because you’re not going to miss on all of them. But even as optimistic of a person as I am, I can see that they have done a brutal job developing the elite talent that they’ve had.

[Adam2]

Reasonable OP.

The plan was to rid /sell Goldie Mik and Matz. One happened. The plan is still to sell Mik and Matz. Both will bring a nice prospect under blooms guys.

Then, off season add one big bat. Left or third. Play. Off season 2026 add TOR starter. League level.

2027- power house.

Patience men.

How will that fit into the budget, Dawg?

I see you're still on the job cranny, BDWJr's chief wallet protector.

BTW, the 2026 "budget" needs to be in the $175-180M range.

If our budget goes up to that with cuts and trades, I easily see us relevant in 2027.

Beyond Walker. Five key players development for that to happen. Wetherholt, Saggese, Mathews, Roby and Hence.

Really hate to count on walker, he does nothing well

If you are curious about the reason for your unpopularity on this board here is Exhibit A. Creating sock puppets and having conversations with yourself is pathetic and annoying. Knock it off.

you obviously have me mixed up with someone else, it appears that you may be a special needs person,

You are dealing with one of the many suffering from Shady Derangement Syndrome. It's like talking to a fence post.

You place yourself at an esteem level that's way higher than you think. Take a break for a while.

So do you. By the way, you don't run the show here.

please take a break. If not for us, at least for yourself

[Shady]

Saggese and Roby for Ozuna.

That would likely turn out about like the last trade for Ozuna.

[Honky Tonk Man]

Reasonable OP.

The plan was to rid /sell Goldie Mik and Matz. One happened. The plan is still to sell Mik and Matz. Both will bring a nice prospect under blooms guys.

Then, off season add one big bat. Left or third. Play. Off season 2026 add TOR starter. League level.

2027- power house.

Patience men.

How will that fit into the budget, Dawg?

I see you're still on the job cranny, BDWJr's chief wallet protector.

BTW, the 2026 "budget" needs to be in the $175-180M range.

If our budget goes up to that with cuts and trades, I easily see us relevant in 2027.

Beyond Walker. Five key players development for that to happen. Wetherholt, Saggese, Mathews, Roby and Hence.

Really hate to count on walker, he does nothing well

If you are curious about the reason for your unpopularity on this board here is Exhibit A. Creating sock puppets and having conversations with yourself is pathetic and annoying. Knock it off.

you obviously have me mixed up with someone else, it appears that you may be a special needs person,

You are dealing with one of the many suffering from SDS. Shady Derangement Syndrome. It's like talking to a fence post.

I am beginning to think you must have slept with most of their wives and girlfriends

[Cranny]

Reasonable OP.

The plan was to rid /sell Goldie Mik and Matz. One happened. The plan is still to sell Mik and Matz. Both will bring a nice prospect under blooms guys.

Then, off season add one big bat. Left or third. Play. Off season 2026 add TOR starter. League level.

2027- power house.

Patience men.

How will that fit into the budget, Dawg?

I see you're still on the job cranny, BDWJr's chief wallet protector.

BTW, the 2026 "budget" needs to be in the $175-180M range.

If our budget goes up to that with cuts and trades, I easily see us relevant in 2027.

Bingo

Plus a much smarter baseball man in the POBO office than the one who's wasted so much money the last decade.

Bloom needs to attain the same overall successful track record that MO has had over the last 30 years. Sure hope he will.

subtract 8 - 10 years

Reasonable OP.

The plan was to rid /sell Goldie Mik and Matz. One happened. The plan is still to sell Mik and Matz. Both will bring a nice prospect under blooms guys.

Then, off season add one big bat. Left or third. Play. Off season 2026 add TOR starter. League level.

2027- power house.

Patience men.

How will that fit into the budget, Dawg?

I see you're still on the job cranny, BDWJr's chief wallet protector.

BTW, the 2026 "budget" needs to be in the $175-180M range.

why does it "need to be"???....when they've said they're moving forward with a smaller budget.

Why can't some of the fan base come to grips with this?

And then...we have the likely work stoppage in 2027. You have the New CBA uncertainty, which will redefine players salaries and team budgets, profit sharing, etc, etc. With zero idea on how every thing will work, why in the world would this team, and most midmarket and all low market teams spend any significant money this season and next? Why????

Makes no sense to spend under these circumstances.

I don't give a c r a p what BDWJr say's, of course he wants to have as low a payroll as he can but to accept that, in this city where he's drawn 3+M for decades, isn't going to happen and nor should it.

I know you love the kids from the minor leagues and want to see them playing in St. Louis, I respect that.

And some actually do come thru the system and make an impact.

Of course you need to draft and development internally, we're all for that!

But there's absolutely no way whatsoever to compete for another WS title unless you have a budget ($175M minimum) that allows C. Bloom to fill in the (many) missing pieces this team needs to compete again.

You need both (internal players drafter + traded for or signed established major league talent) to win.

No one knows if there will be a work stoppage, too much to lose on both sides (owners TV money/gates/ect...) and players (massive salaries they would never recoup).

This is a "mid market team" population wise, but they're fan base makes them a large regional team that has drawn near the top of MLB in attendance for decades.

They DON'T lack revenue, haven't for decades.

Unless BDWJr is happy drawing 2.2-2.5M -vs- 3.1-3.4M, then he'll spend.

I don't think C. Bloom would've taken the job w/o this guarantee (he already got shafted in Boston, too smart to let it happen again).

Respect as always, not in agreement here.

Dewitt must give Bloom the same financial payroll support he gave Mo and I think he will.

JMO

we've tried your approach for 10 seasons....$160-175 million. It didn't work, the Dodgers spent more, much more. We could compete, some what, when teams stayed near the CB Tax thresh hold. The bigger markets heeded the Tax Penalties, for the most part. The Sox and Yankees taking the most penalties for while, but we were still within sniffing distance, and somewhat competitive. Then the new decade happened. San Diego's owners got some new thongs and ants in their pants and started spending, the Dodgers followed suit...they have the TV and Advertising money, they can do whatever they want....We can't. So why should we?

Our Minor Leagues development is awful, our prospects aren't up to par with the rest of the league, our middling prospects rival the low tier prospects in every other organization. We've lost our way as an organization....all b/c we tried to keep up with the payroll of others..."within sniffing distance"

We need to build from the ground up, and we're starting to do that. Spending stupid money just to spend stupid money...is...STUPID. I don't want to put us back another decade or two. You have to realize this is what you're wanting to do. Cut down some of those Trees, see the Forest.

If our minor league development is awful, how did we end up with Winn, Herrera, McGreevey, Burleson, etc.

Because you’re not going to miss on all of them. But even as optimistic of a person as I am, I can see that they have done a brutal job developing the elite talent that they’ve had.

Examples?

[Shady]

This thread contains some very good Cardinals baseball discussion. This is what CT should be about.

[Shady]

Reasonable OP.

The plan was to rid /sell Goldie Mik and Matz. One happened. The plan is still to sell Mik and Matz. Both will bring a nice prospect under blooms guys.

Then, off season add one big bat. Left or third. Play. Off season 2026 add TOR starter. League level.

2027- power house.

Patience men.

How will that fit into the budget, Dawg?

I see you're still on the job cranny, BDWJr's chief wallet protector.

BTW, the 2026 "budget" needs to be in the $175-180M range.

If our budget goes up to that with cuts and trades, I easily see us relevant in 2027.

Beyond Walker. Five key players development for that to happen. Wetherholt, Saggese, Mathews, Roby and Hence.

Really hate to count on walker, he does nothing well

If you are curious about the reason for your unpopularity on this board here is Exhibit A. Creating sock puppets and having conversations with yourself is pathetic and annoying. Knock it off.

you obviously have me mixed up with someone else, it appears that you may be a special needs person,

You are dealing with one of the many suffering from SDS. Shady Derangement Syndrome. It's like talking to a fence post.

I am beginning to think you must have slept with most of their wives and girlfriends

They are goofballs.Trying to intimidate and playing mind game are their specialties.

[Adam2]

This thread contains some very good Cardinals baseball discussion. This is what CT should be about.

glad you approve Honky Tonk

[craviduce]

Reasonable OP.

The plan was to rid /sell Goldie Mik and Matz. One happened. The plan is still to sell Mik and Matz. Both will bring a nice prospect under blooms guys.

Then, off season add one big bat. Left or third. Play. Off season 2026 add TOR starter. League level.

2027- power house.

Patience men.

How will that fit into the budget, Dawg?

I see you're still on the job cranny, BDWJr's chief wallet protector.

BTW, the 2026 "budget" needs to be in the $175-180M range.

why does it "need to be"???....when they've said they're moving forward with a smaller budget.

Why can't some of the fan base come to grips with this?

And then...we have the likely work stoppage in 2027. You have the New CBA uncertainty, which will redefine players salaries and team budgets, profit sharing, etc, etc. With zero idea on how every thing will work, why in the world would this team, and most midmarket and all low market teams spend any significant money this season and next? Why????

Makes no sense to spend under these circumstances.

I don't give a c r a p what BDWJr say's, of course he wants to have as low a payroll as he can but to accept that, in this city where he's drawn 3+M for decades, isn't going to happen and nor should it.

I know you love the kids from the minor leagues and want to see them playing in St. Louis, I respect that.

And some actually do come thru the system and make an impact.

Of course you need to draft and development internally, we're all for that!

But there's absolutely no way whatsoever to compete for another WS title unless you have a budget ($175M minimum) that allows C. Bloom to fill in the (many) missing pieces this team needs to compete again.

You need both (internal players drafter + traded for or signed established major league talent) to win.

No one knows if there will be a work stoppage, too much to lose on both sides (owners TV money/gates/ect...) and players (massive salaries they would never recoup).

This is a "mid market team" population wise, but they're fan base makes them a large regional team that has drawn near the top of MLB in attendance for decades.

They DON'T lack revenue, haven't for decades.

Unless BDWJr is happy drawing 2.2-2.5M -vs- 3.1-3.4M, then he'll spend.

I don't think C. Bloom would've taken the job w/o this guarantee (he already got shafted in Boston, too smart to let it happen again).

Respect as always, not in agreement here.

Dewitt must give Bloom the same financial payroll support he gave Mo and I think he will.

JMO

we've tried your approach for 10 seasons....$160-175 million. It didn't work, the Dodgers spent more, much more. We could compete, some what, when teams stayed near the CB Tax thresh hold. The bigger markets heeded the Tax Penalties, for the most part. The Sox and Yankees taking the most penalties for while, but we were still within sniffing distance, and somewhat competitive. Then the new decade happened. San Diego's owners got some new thongs and ants in their pants and started spending, the Dodgers followed suit...they have the TV and Advertising money, they can do whatever they want....We can't. So why should we?

Our Minor Leagues development is awful, our prospects aren't up to par with the rest of the league, our middling prospects rival the low tier prospects in every other organization. We've lost our way as an organization....all b/c we tried to keep up with the payroll of others..."within sniffing distance"

We need to build from the ground up, and we're starting to do that. Spending stupid money just to spend stupid money...is...STUPID. I don't want to put us back another decade or two. You have to realize this is what you're wanting to do. Cut down some of those Trees, see the Forest.

If our minor league development is awful, how did we end up with Winn, Herrera, McGreevey, Burleson, etc.

I want you spend a few years following 2 or 3 other teams....look at their minors....they have 3 or 4 Winn's, they have 3 or 4 McGreevy's....not many Burleson, and if they do they're so far down their rankings, you never notice them. Having a DH as your prize possession should tell you all you need to know about our Development System. We ignored it to try to keep up the Dodgers and Sox and Yankees in spending...now we're trying to fix that. We're not spending like we did before....not anymore, not for a while.

That'll give you an idea how bad we are

We're getting better...we have a couple of catchers (real catchers that can throw out runners)....the OF is still suspect. Davis isn't your Lankford....Baez is still suspect, he's enjoying a good stretch and better swings. I don't count Wetherholt as our success, he was going to hit no matter what, he's a generational type talent....one we drafted b/c we had a Top 7 pick.


And don't quote the Starter ERA from 2024 stat again...it's from the 1st half of 2024....it's 2025 right now....we rank poorly in Starter ERA . Well, maybe you should give the new ranking....it's not 3rd anymore, Cranny...I guess that's why your not giving that stat/ranking anymore is it?

[rockondlouie]

Reasonable OP.

The plan was to rid /sell Goldie Mik and Matz. One happened. The plan is still to sell Mik and Matz. Both will bring a nice prospect under blooms guys.

Then, off season add one big bat. Left or third. Play. Off season 2026 add TOR starter. League level.

2027- power house.

Patience men.

How will that fit into the budget, Dawg?

I see you're still on the job cranny, BDWJr's chief wallet protector.

BTW, the 2026 "budget" needs to be in the $175-180M range.

If our budget goes up to that with cuts and trades, I easily see us relevant in 2027.

Bingo

Plus a much smarter baseball man in the POBO office than the one who's wasted so much money the last decade.

Bloom needs to attain the same overall successful track record that MO has had over the last 30 years. Sure hope he will.

Not 30 years but after he took over Mo rode the coat tails of what first Walt left him and then second TLR/Albert & Company.

Once that regimes DNA was gone, he's floundered miserably.

Bloom may indeed flop.

But change should've came years ago, just glad BDWJr finally realized it...... too bad he was so late in doing so.

Some guys seem to play the same 45 RPM record over and over until it gets scratchy and skips.

"45 RPM", what is that?

But speaking of broken records, they name is cranny.

[Cranny]

This thread contains some very good Cardinals baseball discussion. This is what CT should be about.

What does SDS have to do with baseball?