We Really Don't Hit Many Home Runs

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We Really Don't Hit Many Home Runs

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Much has been said about how few home runs the Cardinals hit. While I knew that was true, I saw something yesterday that really drove the point home to me. Jose Altuve has hit more home runs than any Cardinal this season. Yes, 5'6", 35-year-old Jose Altuve. He would be the "big bat" in our lineup if he were here.
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We are the only team without a player in double digits for HRs. But we also don’t give up a lot of HRs either. We are T-3rd lowest in baseball in HRs given up.
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Futuregm2 wrote: 17 Jun 2025 10:12 am We are the only team without a player in double digits for HRs. But we also don’t give up a lot of HRs either. We are T-3rd lowest in baseball in HRs given up.
Where does that come from. Meaning great. How do we get to 3 rd lowest. Must be a strategy staff wide. Ball park maybe.
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Talkin' Baseball wrote: 17 Jun 2025 10:08 am Much has been said about how few home runs the Cardinals hit. While I knew that was true, I saw something yesterday that really drove the point home to me. Jose Altuve has hit more home runs than any Cardinal this season. Yes, 5'6", 35-year-old Jose Altuve. He would be the "big bat" in our lineup if he were here.
He also plays in a little league field where half this forum could hit one out
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Adam2 wrote: 17 Jun 2025 10:30 am
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 17 Jun 2025 10:08 am Much has been said about how few home runs the Cardinals hit. While I knew that was true, I saw something yesterday that really drove the point home to me. Jose Altuve has hit more home runs than any Cardinal this season. Yes, 5'6", 35-year-old Jose Altuve. He would be the "big bat" in our lineup if he were here.
He also plays in a little league field where half this forum could hit one out
He hit one last night in Sacramento measured at 439….

Your Astro Envy is showing…
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45s wrote: 17 Jun 2025 10:33 am
Adam2 wrote: 17 Jun 2025 10:30 am
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 17 Jun 2025 10:08 am Much has been said about how few home runs the Cardinals hit. While I knew that was true, I saw something yesterday that really drove the point home to me. Jose Altuve has hit more home runs than any Cardinal this season. Yes, 5'6", 35-year-old Jose Altuve. He would be the "big bat" in our lineup if he were here.
He also plays in a little league field where half this forum could hit one out
He hit one last night in Sacramento measured at 439….

Your Astro Envy is showing…
lol i'm not saying he isn't a good to hall of fame hitter. but he hits quite a few in the crawford boxes. So to use him as the comparison isn't ideal
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They really don't have much HR power. The Cardinals rank 23rd in MLB with 66 HR in their 72 games played. They have hit 35 HR at Busch, only 31 on the road. Other teams have only hit 26 HR at Busch this year!

Compare this to the cubs stats so far: They rank 5th in MLB with 97 HR in their 72 games played. They have hit only 29 HR at wiggley field, but a whopping 68 on the road. Other teams have hit 35 HR at wiggley. Looks like the wind has been blowing in hard at wiggley so far this season.
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12xu wrote: 17 Jun 2025 10:41 am They really don't have much HR power. The Cardinals rank 23rd in MLB with 66 HR in their 72 games played. They have hit 35 HR at Busch, only 31 on the road. Other teams have only hit 26 HR at Busch this year!

Compare this to the cubs stats so far: They rank 5th in MLB with 97 HR in their 72 games played. They have hit only 29 HR at wiggley field, but a whopping 68 on the road. Other teams have hit 35 HR at wiggley. Looks like the wind has been blowing in hard at wiggley so far this season.
35 at home. More than on the road. More than the opposition. This means we are capable of more homers on the road. Hit ‘em at Busch hit ‘em anywhere.
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This is so sad:

T. Edman has 10 home runs, that would lead the Cardinals. :oops:
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12xu wrote: 17 Jun 2025 10:41 am They really don't have much HR power. The Cardinals rank 23rd in MLB with 66 HR in their 72 games played. They have hit 35 HR at Busch, only 31 on the road. Other teams have only hit 26 HR at Busch this year!

Compare this to the cubs stats so far: They rank 5th in MLB with 97 HR in their 72 games played. They have hit only 29 HR at wiggley field, but a whopping 68 on the road. Other teams have hit 35 HR at wiggley. Looks like the wind has been blowing in hard at wiggley so far this season.
Yep another one, Cardinals have the 4th lowest HR/FB% in baseball at 8.8%, Cubs are 9th at 12.2%

Last year we were at 10.6% and in 2023 we were at 13.4%.

The Royals currently are the lowest in MLB at 5.8%. It would be the lowest percentage by a team in the last 50 seasons. The lowest before this season is the 2009 Mets who had a 6.3%. Ours would be in the top 100 lowest since 1975.
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The Cardinals have won many titles hitting few home runs. What matters is runs. That's what decideds ballgames.

The Cards are still above the league average in runs scored but have been regressing towards the median lately. I'm not overly concerned with that (yet) as the relentless pace of the baseball season always sees peaks and valleys. There's always the possibility that the early peak was an anomoly and the valley is the norm, and the pessimists readily gravitate to this interpretation. Still, there's the possibility the valley is the anomaly and the norm is the peak. The optimist might gravitate towards that interpretation. But in all probabality the peak was the peak and the valley is the valley and the real quality of the team lies somewhere in the middle, given we're getting close to the haflway point of the season. That's where I am today.

And on that note, the lowly Red Nex White Sox are up next. Last year they were lowlier and spanked us. This Cardinal team should rise to the occasion and take 2/3 if not sweep.
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BrummerStealsHome wrote: 17 Jun 2025 11:08 am The Cardinals have won many titles hitting few home runs. What matters is runs. That's what decideds ballgames.

The Cards are still above the league average in runs scored but have been regressing towards the median lately. I'm not overly concerned with that (yet) as the relentless pace of the baseball season always sees peaks and valleys. There's always the possibility that the early peak was an anomoly and the valley is the norm, and the pessimists readily gravitate to this interpretation. Still, there's the possibility the valley is the anomaly and the norm is the peak. The optimist might gravitate towards that interpretation. But in all probabality the peak was the peak and the valley is the valley and the real quality of the team lies somewhere in the middle, given we're getting close to the haflway point of the season. That's where I am today.

And on that note, the lowly Red Nex White Sox are up next. Last year they were lowlier and spanked us. This Cardinal team should rise to the occasion and take 2/3 if not sweep.
I fear this kind of a series though against a team that we should beat and one that has good pitching going against us in 2 of them 3 games.

Shane Smith: 2.37 ERA 3.45 FIP 1.17 WHIP
Sean Burke: 4.71 ERA 5.14 FIP 1.44 WHIP
Adrian Houser: 2.15 ERA 3.48 FIP 1.19 WHIP

Smith is a pretty interesting young starter. He’s done a good job for the White Sox this year. 3 ER or less in all 13 starts. 2 ER or less in 10 of the 13 starts.
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Futuregm2 wrote: 17 Jun 2025 11:11 am
BrummerStealsHome wrote: 17 Jun 2025 11:08 am The Cardinals have won many titles hitting few home runs. What matters is runs. That's what decideds ballgames.

The Cards are still above the league average in runs scored but have been regressing towards the median lately. I'm not overly concerned with that (yet) as the relentless pace of the baseball season always sees peaks and valleys. There's always the possibility that the early peak was an anomoly and the valley is the norm, and the pessimists readily gravitate to this interpretation. Still, there's the possibility the valley is the anomaly and the norm is the peak. The optimist might gravitate towards that interpretation. But in all probabality the peak was the peak and the valley is the valley and the real quality of the team lies somewhere in the middle, given we're getting close to the haflway point of the season. That's where I am today.

And on that note, the lowly Red Nex White Sox are up next. Last year they were lowlier and spanked us. This Cardinal team should rise to the occasion and take 2/3 if not sweep.
I fear this kind of a series though against a team that we should beat and one that has good pitching going against us in 2 of them 3 games.

Shane Smith: 2.37 ERA 3.45 FIP 1.17 WHIP
Sean Burke: 4.71 ERA 5.14 FIP 1.44 WHIP
Adrian Houser: 2.15 ERA 3.48 FIP 1.19 WHIP

Smith is a pretty interesting young starter. He’s done a good job for the White Sox this year. 3 ER or less in all 13 starts. 2 ER or less in 10 of the 13 starts.
Luckily Cards have hit Houser decently over the years, he's 5-9 with a 3.62 ERA against the Cards in 17 games and 74+ innings.

More recently, since 2022 the Cards have hit him even better, getting 18 runs in 28.1 innings over 6 games (5+ ERA). He got the L in all but 1 of those games.

Granted he seems to be better this year somehow, but that familiarity and past success gives me hope.
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3dender wrote: 17 Jun 2025 11:19 am
Futuregm2 wrote: 17 Jun 2025 11:11 am
BrummerStealsHome wrote: 17 Jun 2025 11:08 am The Cardinals have won many titles hitting few home runs. What matters is runs. That's what decideds ballgames.

The Cards are still above the league average in runs scored but have been regressing towards the median lately. I'm not overly concerned with that (yet) as the relentless pace of the baseball season always sees peaks and valleys. There's always the possibility that the early peak was an anomoly and the valley is the norm, and the pessimists readily gravitate to this interpretation. Still, there's the possibility the valley is the anomaly and the norm is the peak. The optimist might gravitate towards that interpretation. But in all probabality the peak was the peak and the valley is the valley and the real quality of the team lies somewhere in the middle, given we're getting close to the haflway point of the season. That's where I am today.

And on that note, the lowly Red Nex White Sox are up next. Last year they were lowlier and spanked us. This Cardinal team should rise to the occasion and take 2/3 if not sweep.
I fear this kind of a series though against a team that we should beat and one that has good pitching going against us in 2 of them 3 games.

Shane Smith: 2.37 ERA 3.45 FIP 1.17 WHIP
Sean Burke: 4.71 ERA 5.14 FIP 1.44 WHIP
Adrian Houser: 2.15 ERA 3.48 FIP 1.19 WHIP

Smith is a pretty interesting young starter. He’s done a good job for the White Sox this year. 3 ER or less in all 13 starts. 2 ER or less in 10 of the 13 starts.
Luckily Cards have hit Houser decently over the years, he's 5-9 with a 3.62 ERA against the Cards in 17 games and 74+ innings.

More recently, since 2022 the Cards have hit him even better, getting 18 runs in 28.1 innings over 6 games (5+ ERA). He got the L in all but 1 of those games.

Granted he seems to be better this year somehow, but that familiarity and past success gives me hope.
Hope so, we’ll see. I thought the same about Peralta last week when we faced him and was sadly wrong. He has a 4.67 ERA vs us in his career (including last week) and gave up 1 run over 6 innings vs us. More importantly though we need Liberatore to have a good start.
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Futuregm2 wrote: 17 Jun 2025 11:11 am
BrummerStealsHome wrote: 17 Jun 2025 11:08 am The Cardinals have won many titles hitting few home runs. What matters is runs. That's what decideds ballgames.

The Cards are still above the league average in runs scored but have been regressing towards the median lately. I'm not overly concerned with that (yet) as the relentless pace of the baseball season always sees peaks and valleys. There's always the possibility that the early peak was an anomoly and the valley is the norm, and the pessimists readily gravitate to this interpretation. Still, there's the possibility the valley is the anomaly and the norm is the peak. The optimist might gravitate towards that interpretation. But in all probabality the peak was the peak and the valley is the valley and the real quality of the team lies somewhere in the middle, given we're getting close to the haflway point of the season. That's where I am today.

And on that note, the lowly Red Nex White Sox are up next. Last year they were lowlier and spanked us. This Cardinal team should rise to the occasion and take 2/3 if not sweep.
I fear this kind of a series though against a team that we should beat and one that has good pitching going against us in 2 of them 3 games.

Shane Smith: 2.37 ERA 3.45 FIP 1.17 WHIP
Sean Burke: 4.71 ERA 5.14 FIP 1.44 WHIP
Adrian Houser: 2.15 ERA 3.48 FIP 1.19 WHIP

Smith is a pretty interesting young starter. He’s done a good job for the White Sox this year. 3 ER or less in all 13 starts. 2 ER or less in 10 of the 13 starts.
The Sox have had some decent pitching this year, though their depth sucks. Their offense has been terrible, and I hope our pitchers rise to the occasion and shut them down.
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Busch 3 suppresses HR for everybody

The lack of road HR is concerning
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