Mo needs to get a stud pitching and power hitting prospect

[Adam2]

Reasonable OP.

The plan was to rid /sell Goldie Mik and Matz. One happened. The plan is still to sell Mik and Matz. Both will bring a nice prospect under blooms guys.

Then, off season add one big bat. Left or third. Play. Off season 2026 add TOR starter. League level.

2027- power house.

Patience men.

How will that fit into the budget, Dawg?

I see you're still on the job cranny, BDWJr's chief wallet protector.

BTW, the 2026 "budget" needs to be in the $175-180M range.

If our budget goes up to that with cuts and trades, I easily see us relevant in 2027.

Beyond Walker. Five key players development for that to happen. Wetherholt, Saggese, Mathews, Roby and Hence.

Really hate to count on walker, he does nothing well

If you are curious about the reason for your unpopularity on this board here is Exhibit A. Creating sock puppets and having conversations with yourself is pathetic and annoying. Knock it off.

thank you

[rockondlouie]

Reasonable OP.

The plan was to rid /sell Goldie Mik and Matz. One happened. The plan is still to sell Mik and Matz. Both will bring a nice prospect under blooms guys.

Then, off season add one big bat. Left or third. Play. Off season 2026 add TOR starter. League level.

2027- power house.

Patience men.

How will that fit into the budget, Dawg?

I see you're still on the job cranny, BDWJr's chief wallet protector.

BTW, the 2026 "budget" needs to be in the $175-180M range.

If our budget goes up to that with cuts and trades, I easily see us relevant in 2027.

Bingo

Plus a much smarter baseball man in the POBO office than the one who's wasted so much money the last decade.

[Cranny]

Reasonable OP.

The plan was to rid /sell Goldie Mik and Matz. One happened. The plan is still to sell Mik and Matz. Both will bring a nice prospect under blooms guys.

Then, off season add one big bat. Left or third. Play. Off season 2026 add TOR starter. League level.

2027- power house.

Patience men.

How will that fit into the budget, Dawg?

I see you're still on the job cranny, BDWJr's chief wallet protector.

BTW, the 2026 "budget" needs to be in the $175-180M range.

If our budget goes up to that with cuts and trades, I easily see us relevant in 2027.

Bingo

Plus a much smarter baseball man in the POBO office than the one who's wasted so much money the last decade.

Bloom needs to attain the same overall successful track record that MO has had over the last 30 years. Sure hope he will.

[Honky Tonk Man]

Reasonable OP.

The plan was to rid /sell Goldie Mik and Matz. One happened. The plan is still to sell Mik and Matz. Both will bring a nice prospect under blooms guys.

Then, off season add one big bat. Left or third. Play. Off season 2026 add TOR starter. League level.

2027- power house.

Patience men.

How will that fit into the budget, Dawg?

I see you're still on the job cranny, BDWJr's chief wallet protector.

BTW, the 2026 "budget" needs to be in the $175-180M range.

If our budget goes up to that with cuts and trades, I easily see us relevant in 2027.

Beyond Walker. Five key players development for that to happen. Wetherholt, Saggese, Mathews, Roby and Hence.

Really hate to count on walker, he does nothing well

If you are curious about the reason for your unpopularity on this board here is Exhibit A. Creating sock puppets and having conversations with yourself is pathetic and annoying. Knock it off.

you obviously have me mixed up with someone else, it appears that you may be a special needs person,

[craviduce]

Reasonable OP.

The plan was to rid /sell Goldie Mik and Matz. One happened. The plan is still to sell Mik and Matz. Both will bring a nice prospect under blooms guys.

Then, off season add one big bat. Left or third. Play. Off season 2026 add TOR starter. League level.

2027- power house.

Patience men.

How will that fit into the budget, Dawg?

I see you're still on the job cranny, BDWJr's chief wallet protector.

BTW, the 2026 "budget" needs to be in the $175-180M range.

why does it "need to be"???....when they've said they're moving forward with a smaller budget.

Why can't some of the fan base come to grips with this?

And then...we have the likely work stoppage in 2027. You have the New CBA uncertainty, which will redefine players salaries and team budgets, profit sharing, etc, etc. With zero idea on how every thing will work, why in the world would this team, and most midmarket and all low market teams spend any significant money this season and next? Why????

Makes no sense to spend under these circumstances.

I don't give a c r a p what BDWJr say's, of course he wants to have as low a payroll as he can but to accept that, in this city where he's drawn 3+M for decades, isn't going to happen and nor should it.

I know you love the kids from the minor leagues and want to see them playing in St. Louis, I respect that.

And some actually do come thru the system and make an impact.

Of course you need to draft and development internally, we're all for that!

But there's absolutely no way whatsoever to compete for another WS title unless you have a budget ($175M minimum) that allows C. Bloom to fill in the (many) missing pieces this team needs to compete again.

You need both (internal players drafter + traded for or signed established major league talent) to win.

No one knows if there will be a work stoppage, too much to lose on both sides (owners TV money/gates/ect...) and players (massive salaries they would never recoup).

This is a "mid market team" population wise, but they're fan base makes them a large regional team that has drawn near the top of MLB in attendance for decades.

They DON'T lack revenue, haven't for decades.

Unless BDWJr is happy drawing 2.2-2.5M -vs- 3.1-3.4M, then he'll spend.

I don't think C. Bloom would've taken the job w/o this guarantee (he already got shafted in Boston, too smart to let it happen again).

Respect as always, not in agreement here.

Dewitt must give Bloom the same financial payroll support he gave Mo and I think he will.

JMO

we've tried your approach for 10 seasons....$160-175 million. It didn't work, the Dodgers spent more, much more. We could compete, some what, when teams stayed near the CB Tax thresh hold. The bigger markets heeded the Tax Penalties, for the most part. The Sox and Yankees taking the most penalties for while, but we were still within sniffing distance, and somewhat competitive. Then the new decade happened. San Diego's owners got some new thongs and ants in their pants and started spending, the Dodgers followed suit...they have the TV and Advertising money, they can do whatever they want....We can't. So why should we?

Our Minor Leagues development is awful, our prospects aren't up to par with the rest of the league, our middling prospects rival the low tier prospects in every other organization. We've lost our way as an organization....all b/c we tried to keep up with the payroll of others..."within sniffing distance"

We need to build from the ground up, and we're starting to do that. Spending stupid money just to spend stupid money...is...STUPID. I don't want to put us back another decade or two. You have to realize this is what you're wanting to do. Cut down some of those Trees, see the Forest.

[rockondlouie]

Reasonable OP.

The plan was to rid /sell Goldie Mik and Matz. One happened. The plan is still to sell Mik and Matz. Both will bring a nice prospect under blooms guys.

Then, off season add one big bat. Left or third. Play. Off season 2026 add TOR starter. League level.

2027- power house.

Patience men.

How will that fit into the budget, Dawg?

I see you're still on the job cranny, BDWJr's chief wallet protector.

BTW, the 2026 "budget" needs to be in the $175-180M range.

If our budget goes up to that with cuts and trades, I easily see us relevant in 2027.

Bingo

Plus a much smarter baseball man in the POBO office than the one who's wasted so much money the last decade.

Bloom needs to attain the same overall successful track record that MO has had over the last 30 years. Sure hope he will.

Not 30 years but after he took over Mo rode the coat tails of what first Walt left him and then second TLR/Albert & Company.

Once that regimes DNA was gone, he's floundered miserably.

Bloom may indeed flop.

But change should've came years ago, just glad BDWJr finally realized it...... too bad he was so late in doing so.

[Mort Gage]

Reasonable OP.

The plan was to rid /sell Goldie Mik and Matz. One happened. The plan is still to sell Mik and Matz. Both will bring a nice prospect under blooms guys.

Then, off season add one big bat. Left or third. Play. Off season 2026 add TOR starter. League level.

2027- power house.

Patience men.

How will that fit into the budget, Dawg?

I see you're still on the job cranny, BDWJr's chief wallet protector.

BTW, the 2026 "budget" needs to be in the $175-180M range.

If our budget goes up to that with cuts and trades, I easily see us relevant in 2027.

Beyond Walker. Five key players development for that to happen. Wetherholt, Saggese, Mathews, Roby and Hence.

Really hate to count on walker, he does nothing well

If you are curious about the reason for your unpopularity on this board here is Exhibit A. Creating sock puppets and having conversations with yourself is pathetic and annoying. Knock it off.

you obviously have me mixed up with someone else, it appears that you may be a special needs person,

Everyone here is familiar with your unrelentingly pathetic act, Shady. Again, knock it off.

[Futuregm2]

Reasonable OP.

The plan was to rid /sell Goldie Mik and Matz. One happened. The plan is still to sell Mik and Matz. Both will bring a nice prospect under blooms guys.

Then, off season add one big bat. Left or third. Play. Off season 2026 add TOR starter. League level.

2027- power house.

Patience men.

How will that fit into the budget, Dawg?

I see you're still on the job cranny, BDWJr's chief wallet protector.

BTW, the 2026 "budget" needs to be in the $175-180M range.

If our budget goes up to that with cuts and trades, I easily see us relevant in 2027.

Bingo

Plus a much smarter baseball man in the POBO office than the one who's wasted so much money the last decade.

Bloom needs to attain the same overall successful track record that MO has had over the last 30 years. Sure hope he will.

What has Mo really done well? We have been basically playoff irrelevant for the last decade. He made a couple great trades which were basically dumps by other teams in Arenado and Goldy. Other than that nearly all of our elite prospects failed to prosper, the managers that Mo has picked have been terrible with 2 of them recently being the top 3 in managers that players DON’T WANT to play for. And the other one assuredly would have been on that list if he was still a manager.

Mo was good when he was surrounded by great front office/manager personnel like Luhnow and LaRussa. Once those were gone he has done a terrible job of evaluation of the talent around him and it has eroded the organization to the point that we are today.

[rockondlouie]

Reasonable OP.

The plan was to rid /sell Goldie Mik and Matz. One happened. The plan is still to sell Mik and Matz. Both will bring a nice prospect under blooms guys.

Then, off season add one big bat. Left or third. Play. Off season 2026 add TOR starter. League level.

2027- power house.

Patience men.

How will that fit into the budget, Dawg?

I see you're still on the job cranny, BDWJr's chief wallet protector.

BTW, the 2026 "budget" needs to be in the $175-180M range.

why does it "need to be"???....when they've said they're moving forward with a smaller budget.

Why can't some of the fan base come to grips with this?

And then...we have the likely work stoppage in 2027. You have the New CBA uncertainty, which will redefine players salaries and team budgets, profit sharing, etc, etc. With zero idea on how every thing will work, why in the world would this team, and most midmarket and all low market teams spend any significant money this season and next? Why????

Makes no sense to spend under these circumstances.

I don't give a c r a p what BDWJr say's, of course he wants to have as low a payroll as he can but to accept that, in this city where he's drawn 3+M for decades, isn't going to happen and nor should it.

I know you love the kids from the minor leagues and want to see them playing in St. Louis, I respect that.

And some actually do come thru the system and make an impact.

Of course you need to draft and development internally, we're all for that!

But there's absolutely no way whatsoever to compete for another WS title unless you have a budget ($175M minimum) that allows C. Bloom to fill in the (many) missing pieces this team needs to compete again.

You need both (internal players drafter + traded for or signed established major league talent) to win.

No one knows if there will be a work stoppage, too much to lose on both sides (owners TV money/gates/ect...) and players (massive salaries they would never recoup).

This is a "mid market team" population wise, but they're fan base makes them a large regional team that has drawn near the top of MLB in attendance for decades.

They DON'T lack revenue, haven't for decades.

Unless BDWJr is happy drawing 2.2-2.5M -vs- 3.1-3.4M, then he'll spend.

I don't think C. Bloom would've taken the job w/o this guarantee (he already got shafted in Boston, too smart to let it happen again).

Respect as always, not in agreement here.

Dewitt must give Bloom the same financial payroll support he gave Mo and I think he will.

JMO

we've tried your approach for 10 seasons....$160-175 million. It didn't work, the Dodgers spent more, much more. We could compete, some what, when teams stayed near the CB Tax thresh hold. The bigger markets heeded the Tax Penalties, for the most part. The Sox and Yankees taking the most penalties for while, but we were still within sniffing distance, and somewhat competitive. Then the new decade happened. San Diego's owners got some new thongs and ants in their pants and started spending, the Dodgers followed suit...they have the TV and Advertising money, they can do whatever they want....We can't. So why should we?

Our Minor Leagues development is awful, our prospects aren't up to par with the rest of the league, our middling prospects rival the low tier prospects in every other organization. We've lost our way as an organization....all b/c we tried to keep up with the payroll of others..."within sniffing distance"

We need to build from the ground up, and we're starting to do that. Spending stupid money just to spend stupid money...is...STUPID. I don't want to put us back another decade or two. You have to realize this is what you're wanting to do. Cut down some of those Trees, see the Forest.

We've tried that approach w/a POBO who neglected the farm system and made some horrible decisions when it came to contract extension, free agent signings and trades.

Mo is gone at seasons end.

Again, there's is no way whatsoever to build a championship roster totally from withing.

St. Louis isn't Tampa or Pittsburgh or whatever team that has to do that for lack of revenue has to do.

The Cardinals have had money flowing into their bank account for DECADES!

No one, repeat no one wants then to spend "stupid" money like Mo did, wasting hundreds of millions of dollars.

But why should Bloom pay for Mo's sin?

How do we know he won't spend wisely and bring in excellent players like W. Jocketty?

The Cardinals are already "building from the ground up", Bloom has been handling that project now for the last year and a half.

And no I'm NO even close to wanting them to spend "stupid money".

A $175+M payroll is far, far from being "stupid money" for a team w/this type of fan support.

Bloom is a player development first POBO, he will NOT neglect the system like Mo did.

But he needs payroll to build a winner.

Bloom is a smart guy, he can walk and chew gum at the same time.

He'll keep building from within but also better be allowed to add players for a need we simply don't have quality at anywhere in the organization.

RE: There are no power hitters to be found internally, that will have to come from inside MLB ala Goldy & NADO when they were acquired.

[Adam2]

Reasonable OP.

The plan was to rid /sell Goldie Mik and Matz. One happened. The plan is still to sell Mik and Matz. Both will bring a nice prospect under blooms guys.

Then, off season add one big bat. Left or third. Play. Off season 2026 add TOR starter. League level.

2027- power house.

Patience men.

How will that fit into the budget, Dawg?

I see you're still on the job cranny, BDWJr's chief wallet protector.

BTW, the 2026 "budget" needs to be in the $175-180M range.

If our budget goes up to that with cuts and trades, I easily see us relevant in 2027.

Bingo

Plus a much smarter baseball man in the POBO office than the one who's wasted so much money the last decade.

Bloom needs to attain the same overall successful track record that MO has had over the last 30 years. Sure hope he will.

subtract 8 - 10 years

[ScotchMIrish]

Saggese and Roby for Ozuna.

[Futuregm2]

Saggese and Roby for Ozuna.

lol, Marcel? Please no.

[Rojo Johnson]

I would classify a “stud” as an “elite” prospect.
Now.....who are going to give up to get BOTH of those prospects???

Helsley could get both with the right trading partner in need of a closer to make a deep run.

Possibly but doubtful as Helsley is a pending FA and I doubt any team gives up that much under the circumstances?

Stay tuned. Some team just might be really starved for a deep playoffs run.

Probably best for you to stand down for a while, Shady.

The only thing worse than Shady is Cranny telling people what to do, as if he owns the place. Take your own advice, Dude.

[Cranny]

Reasonable OP.

The plan was to rid /sell Goldie Mik and Matz. One happened. The plan is still to sell Mik and Matz. Both will bring a nice prospect under blooms guys.

Then, off season add one big bat. Left or third. Play. Off season 2026 add TOR starter. League level.

2027- power house.

Patience men.

How will that fit into the budget, Dawg?

I see you're still on the job cranny, BDWJr's chief wallet protector.

BTW, the 2026 "budget" needs to be in the $175-180M range.

If our budget goes up to that with cuts and trades, I easily see us relevant in 2027.

Bingo

Plus a much smarter baseball man in the POBO office than the one who's wasted so much money the last decade.

Bloom needs to attain the same overall successful track record that MO has had over the last 30 years. Sure hope he will.

Not 30 years but after he took over Mo rode the coat tails of what first Walt left him and then second TLR/Albert & Company.

Once that regimes DNA was gone, he's floundered miserably.

Bloom may indeed flop.

But change should've came years ago, just glad BDWJr finally realized it...... too bad he was so late in doing so.

Some guys seem to play the same 45 RPM record over and over until it gets scratchy and skips.

[Shady]

Reasonable OP.

The plan was to rid /sell Goldie Mik and Matz. One happened. The plan is still to sell Mik and Matz. Both will bring a nice prospect under blooms guys.

Then, off season add one big bat. Left or third. Play. Off season 2026 add TOR starter. League level.

2027- power house.

Patience men.

How will that fit into the budget, Dawg?

I see you're still on the job cranny, BDWJr's chief wallet protector.

BTW, the 2026 "budget" needs to be in the $175-180M range.

If our budget goes up to that with cuts and trades, I easily see us relevant in 2027.

Beyond Walker. Five key players development for that to happen. Wetherholt, Saggese, Mathews, Roby and Hence.

You forgot B&B, Bernal and Baez.

yep, the list could have included at least two more.

[Cranny]

Reasonable OP.

The plan was to rid /sell Goldie Mik and Matz. One happened. The plan is still to sell Mik and Matz. Both will bring a nice prospect under blooms guys.

Then, off season add one big bat. Left or third. Play. Off season 2026 add TOR starter. League level.

2027- power house.

Patience men.

How will that fit into the budget, Dawg?

I see you're still on the job cranny, BDWJr's chief wallet protector.

BTW, the 2026 "budget" needs to be in the $175-180M range.

why does it "need to be"???....when they've said they're moving forward with a smaller budget.

Why can't some of the fan base come to grips with this?

And then...we have the likely work stoppage in 2027. You have the New CBA uncertainty, which will redefine players salaries and team budgets, profit sharing, etc, etc. With zero idea on how every thing will work, why in the world would this team, and most midmarket and all low market teams spend any significant money this season and next? Why????

Makes no sense to spend under these circumstances.

I don't give a c r a p what BDWJr say's, of course he wants to have as low a payroll as he can but to accept that, in this city where he's drawn 3+M for decades, isn't going to happen and nor should it.

I know you love the kids from the minor leagues and want to see them playing in St. Louis, I respect that.

And some actually do come thru the system and make an impact.

Of course you need to draft and development internally, we're all for that!

But there's absolutely no way whatsoever to compete for another WS title unless you have a budget ($175M minimum) that allows C. Bloom to fill in the (many) missing pieces this team needs to compete again.

You need both (internal players drafter + traded for or signed established major league talent) to win.

No one knows if there will be a work stoppage, too much to lose on both sides (owners TV money/gates/ect...) and players (massive salaries they would never recoup).

This is a "mid market team" population wise, but they're fan base makes them a large regional team that has drawn near the top of MLB in attendance for decades.

They DON'T lack revenue, haven't for decades.

Unless BDWJr is happy drawing 2.2-2.5M -vs- 3.1-3.4M, then he'll spend.

I don't think C. Bloom would've taken the job w/o this guarantee (he already got shafted in Boston, too smart to let it happen again).

Respect as always, not in agreement here.

Dewitt must give Bloom the same financial payroll support he gave Mo and I think he will.

JMO

we've tried your approach for 10 seasons....$160-175 million. It didn't work, the Dodgers spent more, much more. We could compete, some what, when teams stayed near the CB Tax thresh hold. The bigger markets heeded the Tax Penalties, for the most part. The Sox and Yankees taking the most penalties for while, but we were still within sniffing distance, and somewhat competitive. Then the new decade happened. San Diego's owners got some new thongs and ants in their pants and started spending, the Dodgers followed suit...they have the TV and Advertising money, they can do whatever they want....We can't. So why should we?

Our Minor Leagues development is awful, our prospects aren't up to par with the rest of the league, our middling prospects rival the low tier prospects in every other organization. We've lost our way as an organization....all b/c we tried to keep up with the payroll of others..."within sniffing distance"

We need to build from the ground up, and we're starting to do that. Spending stupid money just to spend stupid money...is...STUPID. I don't want to put us back another decade or two. You have to realize this is what you're wanting to do. Cut down some of those Trees, see the Forest.

If our minor league development is awful, how did we end up with Winn, Herrera, McGreevey, Burleson, etc.