Poll for Cards Talk- Which poster would make the best GM

[RunSup]

I'll play. I'll go duce (minor league guru)
Mel (easy. obvious,correct)
RBI rules (stat knowledge)
BullDog (likeable guy,we could hang)

(It is quite possible the best candidate doesn't post enough to know about him/her)

Bulldog is definitely running the Game Day Experience DJ booth.

I don’t know what I’d start the show with? Maybe Nugent -Stranglehold.

You have the board. We trust you.

They used to announce lineups to Led Zeppelin Kashmir. I haven't heard that the times I've been there this year.

Just educate the kid who is spinning electronic rave music. You'll have to have a fun sing-along song in your pocket for mid-game. No Neil Diamond please.

Did you see that crowd at the foam party at ballpark village last night? That's what's up! DJ Dex is bringing the good stuff to the younger crowd, Cards need to focus more on drawing attention towards younger cooler people, older folks should understand and go with the flow.

Sorry, but Bulldog is the DJ now. It's already been decided on this thread. Also... Not sorry.

You and any youngsters can apply to be his interns.

[Ike Hammett]

I'll play. I'll go duce (minor league guru)
Mel (easy. obvious,correct)
RBI rules (stat knowledge)
BullDog (likeable guy,we could hang)

(It is quite possible the best candidate doesn't post enough to know about him/her)

Bulldog is definitely running the Game Day Experience DJ booth.

I don’t know what I’d start the show with? Maybe Nugent -Stranglehold.

You have the board. We trust you.

They used to announce lineups to Led Zeppelin Kashmir. I haven't heard that the times I've been there this year.

Just educate the kid who is spinning electronic rave music. You'll have to have a fun sing-along song in your pocket for mid-game. No Neil Diamond please.

Did you see that crowd at the foam party at ballpark village last night? That's what's up! DJ Dex is bringing the good stuff to the younger crowd, Cards need to focus more on drawing attention towards younger cooler people, older folks should understand and go with the flow.

Sorry, but Bulldog is the DJ now. It's already been decided on this thread. Also... Not sorry.

You and any youngsters can apply to be his interns.

Nah, nah, naaaaahhh, Deks is the DJ, foam parties and raves are what is happening and you geezers need to go with the flow. Every dog has his day, and that bulldog admitted he is washed up and not listened to! You all have killed St. Louis city, and are seriously working to kill Cards baseball, time to step aside and let the future take over. On top of that, encourage your grandkids to embrace it. Yup, you are the reason St. Louis won't keep up with the Dodgers or LA, you want to drive it to rural West Virginia and have been doing a great job doing so.

[Melville]

Any poster who didn't advocate for signing Harper when he became a FA is automatically disqualified.

Any poster who ever dreamed STL had any interest or intention in signing Harper is automatically disqualified.
Being delusional is not a suitable attribute for a GM.

[11WSChamps]

Any poster who didn't advocate for signing Harper when he became a FA is automatically disqualified.

Huh? We got Goldy around the same time. He was more affordable for you "business like" people, won an MVP, and was a great Cardinal. How was Harper so much better? Did he contribute to ever winning the WS? The Phillies are a lot more than just Harper. What exactly makes you so certain the Cards fate is any different with him?

A much younger player with his whole prime in front of him.

Have you seen hispostseason numbers as a Phillie? He's not the reason they haven't won one yet.

[11WSChamps]

Any poster who didn't advocate for signing Harper when he became a FA is automatically disqualified.

Any poster who ever dreamed STL had any interest or intention in signing Harper is automatically disqualified.
Being delusional is not a suitable attribute for a GM.

You misunderstood.

I'm talking about if someone here wanted to be GM not what we already know the Cardinals would and did do.

[Rojo Johnson]

The duties of a POBO and GM are far and wide, and require years of experience in the industry. No poster is qualified.

Was your nickname, when younger, “buzzkill”? I have never seen a bigger stick in the mud than you, Cranny. They say you haven’t laughed since 1963. I believe them.

[desertrat23]

I wish there was a way to conduct a poll.
The below are whom I consider the most
savvy baseball contributors here.
If I missed you, sorry.
I might have missed a few that deserve to be
on this list.

I have the following contributors:

A. Melville
B. Rockondkouie
C. Mattmitch
D. An Old Friend
E. Ecleme
F. Futuregm
G. Craviduce

I am torn between Melville
and Rockondlouie.
I'd have to go with a two headed
monster of the two.
Be a (drat) good team

I would vote for Cranny.

The person who axlctylly loves Cardinals baseball, is loyal to the team and realistic. Really the only person who will consistently stand up for the players, organization and management. Just about everyone else sucks, completely unknowledgeable about the game and don't really support the team.

Is that really a recipe for being able to make the hard decisions necessary to keep turning the roster over to remain competitive?

You probably really don't want your GM to be a "fan" as much as you want them to be an objective decision maker.

You make a fair point but an extremely vague one. Yes, it is the exact recipe and really the only thing that is important at the end of the day. What the "fans" think and want is what keeps the whole thing going. Only a person who is committed to striving in bringing that will succeed. The GM or any other executive must work towards selling that and believing in it. Therefore, the people who make those "hard decisions" are the ones who are most passionate about them on the side of the "fans". The biggest fans who love the model and organization most should make the decisions.

I would say this - winning takes care of everything. Sometimes what the "fans" think they want will be contrary to giving the team the best opportunity to win. That's why a GM needs to be more dispassionate and more businesslike in their decision making.

Okay , I really have no idea what the hell you are posting about and why you shouldn't be the the GM in my opinion. What is this more "business like" model you post about? The Cards put a good product out constantly, tons of winning seasons, lots of great players, the best facilities anywhere in the league, affordable prices, good members of the community, lots of playoff appearances, WS championships, a focus on their history and traditions etc etc etc.

If you "best fans in baseball" want the Dodgers experience, show up 50k strong spending the big bucks and bringing the Cranny type loyalty.

1. Define “good product.”
2. See #1. A winning season is not enough.
3. Name a great player on this roster. Not one who was great, or one who might be someday, but now.
4. Clearly you’ve never been to Pittsburgh or San Diego or San Francisco, to name just three.
5. A better team is more important than cheap tickets.
6. Who cares?
7. 1-9 in last 10 playoff games. No one remembers who “made an appearance.”
8. 15 years and counting.
9. Stop living in the past.

Anything else?

[Rojo Johnson]

The duties of a POBO and GM are far and wide, and require years of experience in the industry. No poster is qualified.

Given decisions and results of the past decade, you may well be overestimating the difficulty of the job and overvaluing experience.
For example, how hard could it possibly be to recognize the team has not had an established, productive, reliable, all-star quality outfielder for many, many years and that it would be a good idea to acquire one?
Would you like me to provide a dozen similar examples of ineptitude and incompetence on the part of Super Slo Mo?

If Moe can do it, anyone can do it. How smart do you have to be to hire MM, Schildt and Oli in succession? Actually, that kind of extreme stupid can’t be underestimated. You have to be very, very secure in your job to do something that incredibly stupid.

[An Old Friend]

Any poster who didn't advocate for signing Harper when he became a FA is automatically disqualified.

Huh? We got Goldy around the same time. He was more affordable for you "business like" people, won an MVP, and was a great Cardinal. How was Harper so much better? Did he contribute to ever winning the WS? The Phillies are a lot more than just Harper. What exactly makes you so certain the Cards fate is any different with him?

They’d still have Harper and a MOTO lefty masher.

[Quincy Varnish]

Any poster who didn't advocate for signing Harper when he became a FA is automatically disqualified.

100%

Sounds like you’d be a big fan of me at the helm!

Who actually opposed acquiring Harper?

I recall quite a few that thought it was unrealistic (including myself)… but not many in the “Harper sucks” camp.

[Ike Hammett]

I wish there was a way to conduct a poll.
The below are whom I consider the most
savvy baseball contributors here.
If I missed you, sorry.
I might have missed a few that deserve to be
on this list.

I have the following contributors:

A. Melville
B. Rockondkouie
C. Mattmitch
D. An Old Friend
E. Ecleme
F. Futuregm
G. Craviduce

I am torn between Melville
and Rockondlouie.
I'd have to go with a two headed
monster of the two.
Be a (drat) good team

I would vote for Cranny.

The person who axlctylly loves Cardinals baseball, is loyal to the team and realistic. Really the only person who will consistently stand up for the players, organization and management. Just about everyone else sucks, completely unknowledgeable about the game and don't really support the team.

Is that really a recipe for being able to make the hard decisions necessary to keep turning the roster over to remain competitive?

You probably really don't want your GM to be a "fan" as much as you want them to be an objective decision maker.

You make a fair point but an extremely vague one. Yes, it is the exact recipe and really the only thing that is important at the end of the day. What the "fans" think and want is what keeps the whole thing going. Only a person who is committed to striving in bringing that will succeed. The GM or any other executive must work towards selling that and believing in it. Therefore, the people who make those "hard decisions" are the ones who are most passionate about them on the side of the "fans". The biggest fans who love the model and organization most should make the decisions.

I would say this - winning takes care of everything. Sometimes what the "fans" think they want will be contrary to giving the team the best opportunity to win. That's why a GM needs to be more dispassionate and more businesslike in their decision making.

Okay , I really have no idea what the hell you are posting about and why you shouldn't be the the GM in my opinion. What is this more "business like" model you post about? The Cards put a good product out constantly, tons of winning seasons, lots of great players, the best facilities anywhere in the league, affordable prices, good members of the community, lots of playoff appearances, WS championships, a focus on their history and traditions etc etc etc.

If you "best fans in baseball" want the Dodgers experience, show up 50k strong spending the big bucks and bringing the Cranny type loyalty.

1. Define “good product.”
2. See #1. A winning season is not enough.
3. Name a great player on this roster. Not one who was great, or one who might be someday, but now.
4. Clearly you’ve never been to Pittsburgh or San Diego or San Francisco, to name just three.
5. A better team is more important than cheap tickets.
6. Who cares?
7. 1-9 in last 10 playoff games. No one remembers who “made an appearance.”
8. 15 years and counting.
9. Stop living in the past.

Anything else?

I did define a good product, a team that constantly wins, has lots of great players, the best facilities anywhere etc.

The Cardinals strive for more than just winning seasons, they try to go deep into the playoffs and win the WS. That has been their model for decades. A good model that has created a good product.

The Cardinals have always had hall of famers on their rosters, Arenado is probably going to the hall of fame. Sonny Grey is probably an all star and a Cy Young caliber pitcher, Helsley is in his prime as a shutdown relief ace, Donovan is probably going to be an all star, Contreas has been a champ and all star who plays well, lots of young exciting players that play great at different times.

I've been to every MLB stadium, half the ones in Japan, seen MLB games all over the world and in many ballparks closed now. St. Louis is as big league as it gets.

Depends on who you ask, some people really care about prices and it is important to them, Cards do have good teams.

I care and so do lots of others.

I remember who makes playoff appearances and value teams that get to the playoffs consistently, that's a good product and a team committed to winning baseball. Yup, you win some you lose some. Quit cherry picking lame stats.

A whole 15 years spoiled brat? How ever do you survive? St. Louis also has the second most WS championships in the history of the game. Some clubs and fans have never won any.

Who is living in the past? Honoring your past and traditions is something we can do in the present, lots of fans enjoy seeing old timers and remembering different times in their lives, Cardinals are good at reminding people, quit making that out like a bad thing.

There is a lot else I would like to post, and can defend just about anything the team does. That's kind of my whole point as to what I look for in the character of a good GM. Kind of the only thing that is important. The GM can't be a person who consistently bashes on their own team and doesn't support them. It's why you and just about everyone else sucks in my opinion and disqualified from being fantasy GM!

[An Old Friend]

Any poster who didn't advocate for signing Harper when he became a FA is automatically disqualified.

100%

Sounds like you’d be a big fan of me at the helm!

Who actually opposed acquiring Harper?

I recall quite a few that thought it was unrealistic (including myself)… but not many in the “Harper sucks” camp.

I guess NLCards and CardsBest, along with Cranny, were probably the most consistently against it. Feels like so long ago at this point.

[desertrat23]

I wish there was a way to conduct a poll.
The below are whom I consider the most
savvy baseball contributors here.
If I missed you, sorry.
I might have missed a few that deserve to be
on this list.

I have the following contributors:

A. Melville
B. Rockondkouie
C. Mattmitch
D. An Old Friend
E. Ecleme
F. Futuregm
G. Craviduce

I am torn between Melville
and Rockondlouie.
I'd have to go with a two headed
monster of the two.
Be a (drat) good team

I would vote for Cranny.

The person who axlctylly loves Cardinals baseball, is loyal to the team and realistic. Really the only person who will consistently stand up for the players, organization and management. Just about everyone else sucks, completely unknowledgeable about the game and don't really support the team.

Is that really a recipe for being able to make the hard decisions necessary to keep turning the roster over to remain competitive?

You probably really don't want your GM to be a "fan" as much as you want them to be an objective decision maker.

You make a fair point but an extremely vague one. Yes, it is the exact recipe and really the only thing that is important at the end of the day. What the "fans" think and want is what keeps the whole thing going. Only a person who is committed to striving in bringing that will succeed. The GM or any other executive must work towards selling that and believing in it. Therefore, the people who make those "hard decisions" are the ones who are most passionate about them on the side of the "fans". The biggest fans who love the model and organization most should make the decisions.

I would say this - winning takes care of everything. Sometimes what the "fans" think they want will be contrary to giving the team the best opportunity to win. That's why a GM needs to be more dispassionate and more businesslike in their decision making.

Okay , I really have no idea what the hell you are posting about and why you shouldn't be the the GM in my opinion. What is this more "business like" model you post about? The Cards put a good product out constantly, tons of winning seasons, lots of great players, the best facilities anywhere in the league, affordable prices, good members of the community, lots of playoff appearances, WS championships, a focus on their history and traditions etc etc etc.

If you "best fans in baseball" want the Dodgers experience, show up 50k strong spending the big bucks and bringing the Cranny type loyalty.

1. Define “good product.”
2. See #1. A winning season is not enough.
3. Name a great player on this roster. Not one who was great, or one who might be someday, but now.
4. Clearly you’ve never been to Pittsburgh or San Diego or San Francisco, to name just three.
5. A better team is more important than cheap tickets.
6. Who cares?
7. 1-9 in last 10 playoff games. No one remembers who “made an appearance.”
8. 15 years and counting.
9. Stop living in the past.

Anything else?

I did define a good product, a team that constantly wins, has lots of great players, the best facilities anywhere etc.

The Cardinals strive for more than just winning seasons, they try to go deep into the playoffs and win the WS. That has been their model for decades. A good model that has created a good product.

The Cardinals have always had hall of famers on their rosters, Arenado is probably going to the hall of fame. Sonny Grey is probably an all star and a Cy Young caliber pitcher, Helsley is in his prime as a shutdown relief ace, Donovan is probably going to be an all star, Contreas has been a champ and all star who plays well, lots of young exciting players that play great at different times.

I've been to every MLB stadium, half the ones in Japan, seen MLB games all over the world and in many ballparks closed now. St. Louis is as big league as it gets.

Depends on who you ask, some people really care about prices and it is important to them, Cards do have good teams.

I care and so do lots of others.

I remember who makes playoff appearances and value teams that get to the playoffs consistently, that's a good product and a team committed to winning baseball. Yup, you win some you lose some. Quit cherry picking lame stats.

A whole 15 years spoiled brat? How ever do you survive? St. Louis also has the second most WS championships in the history of the game. Some clubs and fans have never won any.

Who is living in the past? Honoring your past and traditions is something we can do in the present, lots of fans enjoy seeing old timers and remembering different times in their lives, Cardinals are good at reminding people, quit making that out like a bad thing.

There is a lot else I would like to post, and can defend just about anything the team does. That's kind of my whole point as to what I look for in the character of a good GM. Kind of the only thing that is important. The GM can't be a person who consistently bashes on their own team and doesn't support them. It's why you and just about everyone else sucks in my opinion and disqualified from being fantasy GM!

If you can’t tell the difference between a GM (who actually has agency over what the team does) and some blowhard like me online, I don’t know what to tell you.

[Quincy Varnish]

Any poster who didn't advocate for signing Harper when he became a FA is automatically disqualified.

100%

Sounds like you’d be a big fan of me at the helm!

Who actually opposed acquiring Harper?

I recall quite a few that thought it was unrealistic (including myself)… but not many in the “Harper sucks” camp.

I guess NLCards and CardsBest, along with Cranny, were probably the most consistently against it. Feels like so long ago at this point.

Looks like NLCards has left the building. Amongst the obvious homers, at least he was one of few that bothered to support his arguments with data… even though it was often badly mangled.

[ecleme22]

Any poster who didn't advocate for signing Harper when he became a FA is automatically disqualified.

100%

Sounds like you’d be a big fan of me at the helm!

Who actually opposed acquiring Harper?

I recall quite a few that thought it was unrealistic (including myself)… but not many in the “Harper sucks” camp.

I guess NLCards and CardsBest, along with Cranny, were probably the most consistently against it. Feels like so long ago at this point.

Looks like NLCards has left the building. Amongst the obvious homers, at least he was one of few that bothered to support his arguments with data… even though it was often badly mangled.

tank2 thinks Harper is overrated because he only has two
100 RBI seasons.

Lol

[Ike Hammett]

Any poster who didn't advocate for signing Harper when he became a FA is automatically disqualified.

Huh? We got Goldy around the same time. He was more affordable for you "business like" people, won an MVP, and was a great Cardinal. How was Harper so much better? Did he contribute to ever winning the WS? The Phillies are a lot more than just Harper. What exactly makes you so certain the Cards fate is any different with him?

They’d still have Harper and a MOTO lefty masher.

We got Goldy for 6 years and Nado for 7. That's the same 13 years and the Cards got really good deals on 2 superstars for less than 1 Harper total. I would think having two MVP caliber players in the line up gives you a better chance at going deep into the playoffs than 1. Certainly not such a bad move it's disqualifying, anyone who thinks that is/should be disqualified.